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05:16:15  <kuayueren> lunch?

05:52:37  <reldred> Bit late for lunch but I guess I had a late breakfast too, good idea.

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06:32:07  <andythenorth> bridge types ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiW1PDge2DI

06:32:15  <andythenorth> "with state machines" or something

06:33:09  <_zephyris> reldred: I really want to test the trees, but time...

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06:40:21  <belajalilija> andythenorth: Yes but every town would become Whitby

06:41:01  <belajalilija> At least in my playthroughs

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07:49:27  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #15964: Codechange: Use AutoRelease to manage ubidi_open/close calls https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15964

08:00:57  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #15963: Change: Generate rough tiles as clusters like rocks https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15963

08:01:45  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN approved pull request #15922: Codechange: make static inline constexpr order consistent https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15922#pullrequestreview-5057335911

08:07:26  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN closed pull request #15672: Feature: Add Ogg Opus to music player https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15672

08:07:29  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #15672: Feature: Add Ogg Opus to music player https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15672#issuecomment-5461215759

08:07:42  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN reopened pull request #15672: Feature: Add Ogg Opus to music player https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15672

08:07:46  <peter1138> Oops. That was meant to just be a comment.

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08:25:18  <merni> > what is the actual usefulness of a non-MIDI music baseset? We don't really have composers lining up for it.

08:25:18  <merni> Well, with a non-MIDI option, I can load in whatever songs I have downloaded and use them as music for openttd

08:25:47  <merni> (And yes I could do that by playing them separately in VLC or whatever, but it's an extra step)

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08:44:10  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #15964: Codechange: Use AutoRelease to manage ubidi_open/close calls https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15964#pullrequestreview-5057425174

08:55:47  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #15964: Codechange: Use AutoRelease to manage ubidi_open/close calls https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15964

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10:09:27  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #15965: Fix: Wrong category for some base set debug messages https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15965

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11:39:29  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Knogle commented on pull request #15672: Feature: Add Ogg Opus to music player https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15672#issuecomment-5462185722

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11:54:01  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #15965: Fix: Wrong category for some base set debug messages https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15965#pullrequestreview-5058019201

11:59:17  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #15965: Fix: Wrong category for some base set debug messages https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15965

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12:42:27  <andythenorth> such thunderstorm

13:00:21  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #15966: Codechange: Use enums for debug facility and severity. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15966

13:16:53  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #15966: Codechange: Use enums for debug facility and severity. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15966

13:19:16  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #15966: Codechange: Use enums for debug facility and severity. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15966#issuecomment-5462639829

13:26:29  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #15966: Codechange: Use enums for debug facility and severity. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15966

13:29:11  <peter1138> Yeah, it's a bit more verbose.

13:31:38  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on pull request #15966: Codechange: Use enums for debug facility and severity. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15966#issuecomment-5462696655

13:34:20  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 merged pull request #15943: Codechange: always quote strings in settings, removing the need for StrQ https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15943

13:34:54  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 merged pull request #15922: Codechange: make static inline constexpr order consistent https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15922

13:39:42  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #15966: Codechange: Use enums for debug facility and severity. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15966#issuecomment-5462733676

13:49:26  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #15966: Codechange: Use enums for debug facility and severity. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15966

15:33:23  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #15966: Codechange: Use enums for debug facility and severity. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15966#pullrequestreview-5058483370

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16:22:43  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #15967: Fix #15233: Don't require glyphs for various whitespace characters https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15967

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16:25:44  <andythenorth> I've upgraded from pypy 3.10 to pypy 3.11, Iron Horse nml parsing time reduced from ~6-7s to ~4-5s

16:36:07  <andythenorth> pypy is *much* faster than non JIT vanilla python for nml

16:36:20  <andythenorth> at least on ARM and x86 macs

17:02:14  <will_marshall_> heartbreaking: the bottleneck on my nmlc runs isn't cpu time 🙁

17:04:23  <andythenorth> can't be IO? 😮

17:05:26  <will_marshall_> It's definitely I/O, I should move my heath robinson outfit to a real NVME drive instead of whatever the hell I did 8 years ago to get a 2tb SSD volume.

17:05:46  <will_marshall_> (I think it's a pair of cheap 1tb SSDs mashed into a single volume)

17:06:06  <andythenorth> maybe it's an SD card

17:06:10  <andythenorth> in your PCMCIA slot

17:06:48  <will_marshall_> 63 compactflash to IDE adapters hanging out the back of my PC case like a bundle of spaghetti

17:07:03  <andythenorth> disk cache offloaded to a spinning disk

17:07:15  <andythenorth> over USB 2

17:07:37  <will_marshall_> I wish RAM was cheaper I'd do all this dev in a ramdisk.

17:07:52  <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1543306204204499084/image.png?ex=6a946368&is=6a9311e8&hm=1c58ca690acd4fd41c6379c9502f3a202c84fc722baea5d39b52ad91a467ca93&

17:07:52  <andythenorth> I hope it's not IO that makes Horse slow

17:17:50  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN closed issue #15931: Lack of GRF's files https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/15931

17:17:53  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on issue #15931: Lack of GRF's files https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/15931

17:28:54  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #15968: Fix: Wrong button size in Bootstrap query window if game window resized https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15968

17:33:37  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rito13 opened issue #15969: [Bug]: Autofill adds timetabled times incorrectly https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/15969

18:07:21  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #15968: Fix: Wrong button size in Bootstrap query window if game window resized https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15968#pullrequestreview-5058801844

18:13:50  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #15968: Fix: Wrong button size in Bootstrap query window if game window resized https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15968

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18:21:43  <soylent_cow[m]> i think i have an issue show up sometimes, when i run a game for a few weeks, 2k map, thousands of trains, network starts being unstable, i actually have lag in other games on the same server! anyone else had anything similar? this is fixed by either stopping ttd or restarting game, so i am relatively sure.

18:24:48  <LordAro> i don't know what "lag in other games on the same server" means

18:32:43  <peter1138> If you're talking about multiplayer servers, then yes, if you have something using CPU on a server, then other things that require CPU time on that same server will have to contend for it.

18:34:19  <dwfreed> even factorio suffers under thousands of trains

19:10:27  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #15966: Codechange: Use enums for debug facility and severity. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15966

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19:42:29  <will_marshall_> I have a novel technique to make nmlc 4x faster in my use case:

19:42:29  <will_marshall_> ```def find_file(filepath):

19:42:29  <will_marshall_> return filepath```

19:43:17  <will_marshall_> was wondering why my build times were so bad, pointed procmon at it and saw that every single input file it parsed was doing a full enumeration of the directory listing

19:43:40  <will_marshall_> because that directory contains 23,500 png files, that was adding up to be most of the build time.

19:45:20  <will_marshall_> it really is 4x faster though - 4m30 build times are now 1m05

19:46:36  <will_marshall_> case conversion and deduplication is probably not worth it

19:48:31  <peter1138> 23,500 png files in one directory is kinda mad.

19:48:38  <peter1138> The expectation is you have sprite sheets.

19:49:00  <will_marshall_> haha

19:49:18  <will_marshall_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1543346830312607805/image.png?ex=6a94893e&is=6a9337be&hm=8b019f836374c264abd69b0ba906c187c7683518fadcdc924acd4f64186f2ac2&

19:49:28  <will_marshall_> they are sprite sheets.

19:49:42  <will_marshall_> well, kinda

19:50:19  <will_marshall_> they aren't single sprites is my point

19:52:42  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #15969: [Bug]: Autofill adds timetabled times incorrectly https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/15969

19:54:11  <peter1138> But okay, yeah, the entire premise of find_fild() is fucked up.

19:54:26  <peter1138> Like, just require the correct filename? :o

19:54:41  <will_marshall_> Yeah, or at least give us a --i-am-expert mode

19:55:05  <will_marshall_> it probably should check that files exist

19:55:16  <will_marshall_> but enumerating the whole directory for each input seems bad 😛

19:56:33  <kuhnovic> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1543348654629453854/openttd_jP8zJMxXWF.gif?ex=6a948af1&is=6a933971&hm=06267211207bb6b400e042ceff4c9ae1468953e9a2a9240bfc85f5ad2daee6be&

19:56:33  <kuhnovic> Double-ended ships? Needs appropriate sprites though, which these are not

19:58:09  <peter1138> A flag to allow it makes sense. None of the vanilla ships are ships should travel backwards though. So no new sprites needed.

19:58:40  <kuhnovic> Indeed, this would be a newgrf feature

20:05:04  <kuhnovic> I guess a newgrf would like to know if it has to draw backwards, otherwise there might be certain elemetns that look off. Such as the wake behind the ship suddenly being in front. Haven't really been down the newgrf rabbit hole though.

20:07:13  <peter1138> Just needs a variable/bit exposed that reflects the reversing state.

20:07:35  <peter1138> It's overly complex for trains because there's about a million attempts to do reversing/flipping things.

20:10:45  <peter1138> will_marshall_, default to what a normal person would expect. Have a "--i-cant-properly-organise-files" option?

20:14:36  <will_marshall_> Hmm, --iama-digital-slob

20:15:43  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] WolfieFox opened issue #440: Sprite Encoding/Cache/Palette Check performance is poor due to generic.find_file https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/issues/440

20:16:16  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #15970: Change: [NewGRF] Improve industry and airport tile layout validation https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15970

20:16:27  <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1543353662955589743/image.png?ex=6a948f9b&is=6a933e1b&hm=446f1c93ad3008fcaef5a2393c6e6263f323d3a750a5881743c5dcdd9b84cc30&

20:16:27  <andythenorth> kuhnovic: 👀

20:27:06  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] JGRennison commented on issue #440: Sprite Encoding/Cache/Palette Check performance is poor due to generic.find_file https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/issues/440

20:35:07  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] DTG-Will-Marshall commented on issue #440: Sprite Encoding/Cache/Palette Check performance is poor due to generic.find_file https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/issues/440

20:35:17  <will_marshall_> Lol, wrong account.

20:35:41  <will_marshall_> Never have two githubs ladies and gents it's very confusing.

20:36:27  <will_marshall_> tl;dr microsoft winblows 98

20:37:15  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] PeterN commented on issue #440: Sprite Encoding/Cache/Palette Check performance is poor due to generic.find_file https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/issues/440

20:43:05  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] WolfieFox commented on issue #440: Sprite Encoding/Cache/Palette Check performance is poor due to generic.find_file https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/issues/440

20:53:17  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #15970: Change: [NewGRF] Improve industry and airport tile layout validation https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15970

21:19:44  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rito13 closed issue #15969: [Bug]: Autofill adds timetabled times incorrectly https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/15969

21:19:47  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rito13 commented on issue #15969: [Bug]: Autofill adds timetabled times incorrectly https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/15969

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