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00:01:06  <yiffgirl> speaking of base set features



00:01:06  <yiffgirl> what's standing in the way of combining climates, like at a technical level?



00:02:12  <tabytac> yiffgirl: prety sure you would need a full rewrite of the map array



00:07:17  <tabytac> (alot of work)



00:13:01  <yiffgirl> always fun /s



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02:11:17  <mmtunligit> yeah thats like a two year project



02:11:33  <mmtunligit> not even sure why youd want to do that, just use objects



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04:43:08  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #15722: Codechange: Use more helper functions for slopes. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15722#pullrequestreview-4584140560



04:54:52  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #15693: Fix: No reliability loss while vehicle is stopped in a depot https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15693#pullrequestreview-4584170990



04:58:19  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #15523: Codechange: Make Corner enum a scoped one. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15523#pullrequestreview-4584174809



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05:39:30  <rito12_13> yiffgirl: We have discussion on GitHub about it https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/discussions/15091



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07:02:25  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rito13 updated pull request #15523: Codechange: Make Corner enum a scoped one. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15523



07:26:33  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #15523: Codechange: Make Corner enum a scoped one. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15523#pullrequestreview-4584548071



07:42:58  <peter1138> Pitfall of perlin is that picking a threshold for the percentage of desert is kinda tricky.



07:43:53  <peter1138> Like we know the possible range of output values and it's scaled from -1.0 to 1.0, but it's not normalised so the actual range might be e.g. -0.5 to 0.7.



07:49:05  <_zephyris> Could just measure the distribution, and scale the thresholds. It's roughly normal



08:35:48  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 opened pull request #15777: Codechange: remove macros for SDLVkMapping https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15777



09:12:19  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 opened pull request #15778: Codechange: document several SDL members https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15778



09:13:18  <LordAro> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48695877 "they have a digit as well with them" ?



09:25:13  <andythenorth> why we show semaphores I don't know 😛



09:25:24  <andythenorth> they're unusable in game



09:26:11  <andythenorth> if the signal menu was a single item, one-way PBS, people would have a better time



09:26:23  <andythenorth> (default signal menu, not proposing deleting anything)



09:28:01  <LordAro> remove even more buttons?!



09:29:04  <LordAro> i think there is already a date where the semaphore/signal switch happens, perhaps only showing the current one should be the default setting?



09:29:17  <LordAro> that would drop down to two buttons



09:40:04  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 opened pull request #15779: Change: migrate from SDL2 to SDL3 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15779



09:42:30  <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1520363686630527096/image.png?ex=6a40ec85&is=6a3f9b05&hm=8b1c13b60962e234644a401f8c70db663587ba68cd4eb173d49032bcb405d610&



09:52:12  <reldred> andythenorth: u wot



10:02:46  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #15779: Change: migrate from SDL2 to SDL3 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15779



10:05:14  <andythenorth> impossible to see if they green or red



10:05:29  * andythenorth colour blindness says hi as a counterpoint



10:41:32  <_zephyris> Ogfx2 is colourblind safe FWIW



10:41:53  <_zephyris> I hadn't realised that the base path signals aren't, that's not great...



10:42:19  <reldred> andythenorth: the arm goes up & down?



10:42:54  <andythenorth> it's pretty indistinct 🙂



10:43:03  <andythenorth> my opinion, obvs, worth what I was paid for it etc



10:43:31  <reldred> ask for a refund 😛



10:44:31  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #15779: Change: migrate from SDL2 to SDL3 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15779



10:47:51  <andythenorth> I think PBS would be easier to teach if the signals was understood as "trains can only go one way through this"



10:48:00  <andythenorth> (default signals)



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10:48:35  <will_marshall_> pbs would be easier to teach if the default signal graphics weren't similar and small



10:49:01  <reldred> pbs would be easier to teach if we took (most of) the youtubers and fired them into the sun



10:50:07  <will_marshall_> youtuber delenda est



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11:01:46  <belajalilija> Pbs would be easier to teach if the average player didn’t have the IQ of 8



11:10:05  <_jgr_> Quite a few new players have never even been on a train, never mind having a vague idea of how signalling works



11:12:25  <_jgr_> What is obvious to us is not to such players



11:17:00  <reldred> i usually stick to the traffic lights analogy with the newbies



11:17:07  <reldred> and pictures



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11:29:53  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] github-advanced-security[bot] commented on pull request #15779: Change: migrate from SDL2 to SDL3 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15779#pullrequestreview-4585090777



11:39:10  <belajalilija> _jgr_: Fair point tbh, i remember once arguing with an American about something to do with trains they thought was AI but it wasn’t, the whole basis for their argument was that they commute to work on trains so they know what they’re talking about



11:41:05  <belajalilija> Which probably makes you sound experienced in a country where most people have never been on one



11:44:15  <will_marshall_> What is a train? We just don't know.



11:46:24  <LordAro> (insert any number of Adam Something videos here)



11:47:01  <LordAro> belajalilija: i'm curious though, what did they think was AI?



12:24:20  <belajalilija> LordAro: Because of how the tracks look like



12:24:20  <belajalilija> I’ll try and find the image



12:25:20  <belajalilija> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1520404668298170458/IMG_3215.jpg?ex=6a4112b0&is=6a3fc130&hm=01a1bcacfc9987b30cc409a94218d5e18b09f4eaefef49d60b7223a284338eec&



12:25:20  <belajalilija> LordAro:



12:25:48  <belajalilija> The image was posted on Reddit 5 years ago



12:26:44  <belajalilija> They thought it was AI because of the trackwork



12:26:47  <talltyler> Double slip switches do seem fake



12:27:05  <belajalilija> I showed them multiple examples but they wouldn’t have it xd



12:27:38  <peter1138> Toasty



12:28:18  <_glx_> Perfectly safe place to put a nest



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12:31:19  <talltyler> Re:signals, I would like to support more than two styles of signal using some selector to switch style, similar to what JGRPP supports if you have a signal GRF installed. That would let us show only the colour light PBS by default, and have semaphore (and whatever the player installs from GRFs) hidden inside other styles.



12:31:49  <talltyler> But I use semaphore signals because I’m a nerd, definitely don’t want to remove them just because some people think they’re hard to see 🙂



12:31:49  <brickblock19280> Why hide semaphore?



12:32:16  <talltyler> OpenGFX2 semaphores are much easier to see than TTD semaphores too



12:32:36  <peter1138> The semaphore graphics also depend on drive side.



12:33:06  <talltyler> Ah, right, those would also be split into separate styles instead of being automatic, in my idea 😉



12:33:36  <talltyler> I do agree it’s sort of confusing to have four options instead of two, for players who don’t understand signals



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12:34:25  <belajalilija> How are pre signals hidden these days?



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12:34:59  <brickblock19280> Icon on the window top next to the x



12:35:06  <belajalilija> Ahh



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12:35:14  <emperorjake> No, that button was removed



12:35:34  <belajalilija> Then i suggest moving then behind a setting and then putting the semaphores where pre signals used to be



12:37:58  <emperorjake> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1520407847069028443/image.png?ex=6a4115a6&is=6a3fc426&hm=fbe9aa965556706804e07f4f10c2c72af45e59a7f4f731f767cd352db9f709d8&



12:37:58  <emperorjake> Can confirm no button in current nightly



12:38:32  <emperorjake> Good riddance too



12:39:20  <emperorjake> iirc it was only put there in the first place because of a very small but vocal minority



12:45:55  <peter1138> 08:49 < _zephyris> Could just measure the distribution, and scale the thresholds. It's roughly normal



12:46:13  <peter1138> Means doing it all twice though, I think.



12:48:04  <belajalilija> emperorjake: Indeed



12:55:13  <peter1138> I did a good then?



13:01:05  <belajalilija> Yes



13:01:11  <belajalilija> You did a good



13:14:33  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #15779: Change: migrate from SDL2 to SDL3 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15779



13:19:25  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 opened pull request #15780: Change: upgrade emscripten from 3.1.57 to 6.0.1 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15780



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13:22:44  <_zephyris> Statistically Perlin is well behaved, so could be hard coded with a few magic numbers



13:24:48  <_zephyris> Doing it "properly" would need one pass to calculate per tile values, determine the distribution and calculate the threshold, then one pass to apply the threshold



13:25:45  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN approved pull request #15777: Codechange: remove macros for SDLVkMapping https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15777#pullrequestreview-4585305720



13:26:49  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN approved pull request #15778: Codechange: document several SDL members https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15778#pullrequestreview-4585308684



13:32:09  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #15780: Change: upgrade emscripten from 3.1.57 to 6.0.1 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15780



13:37:17  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #15693: Fix: No reliability loss while vehicle is stopped in a depot https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15693#pullrequestreview-4585332269



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14:00:06  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #15780: Change: upgrade emscripten from 3.1.57 to 5.0.7 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15780



14:07:10  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN approved pull request #15780: Change: upgrade emscripten from 3.1.57 to 5.0.7 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15780#pullrequestreview-4585402417



14:13:54  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 dismissed a review for pull request #15780: Change: upgrade emscripten from 3.1.57 to 5.0.7 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15780#pullrequestreview-4585402417



14:13:57  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #15780: Change: upgrade emscripten from 3.1.57 to 5.0.7 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15780



14:14:19  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 merged pull request #15778: Codechange: document several SDL members https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15778



14:14:30  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 merged pull request #15777: Codechange: remove macros for SDLVkMapping https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15777



14:17:52  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler merged pull request #15722: Codechange: Use more helper functions for slopes. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15722



14:19:10  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #14481: Change: Use new game setting for disable_elrails when loading very old save https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14481#issuecomment-4818347757



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14:49:20  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #15780: Change: upgrade emscripten from 3.1.57 to 5.0.7 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15780#issuecomment-4818518330



14:51:23  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #15693: Fix: No reliability loss while vehicle is stopped in a depot https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15693#pullrequestreview-4585486764



14:53:08  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #15780: Change: upgrade emscripten from 3.1.57 to 5.0.7 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15780#issuecomment-4818533244



15:00:52  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN approved pull request #15780: Change: upgrade emscripten from 3.1.57 to 6.0.1 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15780#pullrequestreview-4585514596



15:00:55  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 merged pull request #15780: Change: upgrade emscripten from 3.1.57 to 6.0.1 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15780



15:02:24  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #15779: Change: migrate from SDL2 to SDL3 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15779



15:03:40  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #15779: Change: migrate from SDL2 to SDL3 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15779#pullrequestreview-4585525004



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15:26:47  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #15781: Codechange: no need to pre-declare local variables https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15781



15:31:09  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #15781: Codechange: no need to pre-declare local variables https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15781#pullrequestreview-4585588171



15:44:11  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #15779: Change: migrate from SDL2 to SDL3 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15779#issuecomment-4818901871



15:46:18  <peter1138> It's stuck this way :o



16:08:57  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #15779: Change: migrate from SDL2 to SDL3 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15779



16:10:44  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #15779: Change: migrate from SDL2 to SDL3 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15779#issuecomment-4819018657



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16:15:19  <andythenorth> well



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16:20:46  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #15779: Change: migrate from SDL2 to SDL3 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15779#issuecomment-4819067139



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16:36:52  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #15779: Change: migrate from SDL2 to SDL3 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15779#issuecomment-4819194772



16:41:45  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #15781: Codechange: no need to pre-declare local variables https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15781#issuecomment-4819243624



16:43:35  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN dismissed a review for pull request #15781: Codechange: no need to pre-declare local variables https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15781#pullrequestreview-4585588171



16:43:38  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #15781: Codechange: no need to pre-declare local variables https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15781



16:49:12  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #15781: Codechange: no need to pre-declare local variables https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15781#pullrequestreview-4585739727



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16:53:41  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #15779: Change: migrate from SDL2 to SDL3 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15779#issuecomment-4819367588



16:57:24  <peter1138> "If it's in Debian 13, it's probably old enough"



16:57:34  <peter1138> s/13/Stable/



16:58:59  <LordAro> that only applies if Debian stable is suitably old :p



16:59:19  <LordAro> Debian 13 is only 9 months old



17:29:39  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #15782: Fix: [NewGRF] Ensure Act2 read error replaces current set id https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15782



17:31:28  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN closed pull request #15580: Codechange: Add SDL 3 support https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15580



17:31:31  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #15580: Codechange: Add SDL 3 support https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15580#issuecomment-4819720139



17:31:54  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #15781: Codechange: no need to pre-declare local variables https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15781



17:45:42  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #15782: Fix: [NewGRF] Ensure Act2 read error replaces current set id https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15782#pullrequestreview-4585838401



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19:20:31  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 opened pull request #15783: Codechange: make PerformanceElement scoped https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15783



19:31:43  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler opened issue #15784: [Crash]: Exception Access Violation https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/15784



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19:59:15  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 opened pull request #15785: Codechange: make OpenGLSprite::Texture scoped https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15785



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20:16:51  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #15785: Codechange: make OpenGLSprite::Texture scoped https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15785



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20:55:37  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] zephyris updated pull request #15659: Feature: Compose cursors for NewGRF road/rail from GUI icons https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15659



20:55:42  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] zephyris commented on pull request #15659: Feature: Compose cursors for NewGRF road/rail from GUI icons https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15659#issuecomment-4821620532



20:55:48  <peter1138> talltyler, feel free to run it in a debugger to get more info...



21:04:46  <talltyler> Will do, just don’t have the time now and didn’t want to forget



21:05:17  <talltyler> I’ve also never debugged a crash log before 🙂



21:21:11  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 opened pull request #15786: Codechange: VarTypes/SLE_ enumeration cleanup https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/15786



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21:34:55  <_glx_> it's better when you can reproduce since crash.dmp may not have all the values



21:39:10  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #15784: [Crash]: Exception Access Violation https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/15784



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21:56:41  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on issue #15784: [Crash]: Exception Access Violation https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/15784



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23:16:12  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #15784: [Crash]: Exception Access Violation https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/15784



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