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04:48:29 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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06:21:43 <lemuria0685> interesting that's a lot of i
06:21:54 <lemuria0685> wait. where are jgrpp bugs reported
06:22:03 <lemuria0685> i mean this is a minor cosmetic one so...
06:37:18 <kaji_kaede> lemuria0685: JGRPP has it's own GitHub page for reporting issues. May be worth bringing up in Discord channel #jgr-patch-pack first? Not sure.
07:08:05 <DorpsGek> - Add: summary for week 48 of 2025 (by OpenTTD Survey)
07:22:22 <peter1138> Hmm, `DropDown` to `Dropdown` is 455 changed lines.
07:24:42 <peter1138> Oh, excluding comment changes.
07:43:57 <peter1138> A refactor nobody asked for :D
07:44:02 <peter1138> Wait, nobody ever does.
07:52:50 <andythenorth> "OpenTTD 16: no visible changes"
08:03:12 <_zephyris> andythenorth: Dumb question, for industry placement/regions, can't you do simple pseudo random based on coordinates? Treat the world as pseudo random 64 time wide chunks or whatever. `(<big_prime>*<tile_coordinate>//<region_size)%<num_regions>` kinda stuff.
08:04:35 <andythenorth> "yes" was the short answer
08:04:50 <andythenorth> Tyler did it first, I borrowed the idea
08:09:56 <peter1138> Bah, added a service method to deduplicate some code, but with the additional boiler-plate stuff it ended up more code :/
09:01:03 <_zephyris> Beyond full biomes, best I can come up with without completely new mapgen
09:12:14 <peter1138> That last pint was perhaps not a great idea.
10:09:24 <peter1138> Heh, the 4th one down is my local.
10:46:56 <jfkuayue> drunk committing *could* be interesting
10:48:04 <LordAro> i've tried drunk IRCing
10:48:18 <LordAro> i believe it resulted in me emptying a glass of water over my keyboard
10:49:33 <LordAro> eh, most rm implementations don't let you do that
10:49:37 <LordAro> a boring way to break your system
10:50:03 <LordAro> chmodding some directories in /run on the other hand...
10:51:42 <jfkuayue> when i was a noob i `sudo chmod -R 777 /`
10:59:33 <peter1138> Drunk committing with svn would be... bad. With git, who cares.
11:07:23 <vondpc> until you pick the wrong changes in conflicts
11:17:55 <peter1138> Anyway, it costs too much to get drunk at a pub.
11:46:37 <talltyler> SkyNet was hallucinating when it launched the nukes
11:49:52 <xarick> mr copilot is designing me a BPlusTree, it's the 3rd day I'm trying to make it run
11:50:52 <peter1138> CONTRIBUTING.md:199
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12:28:34 <pibbz13> Any guesstimated time for 15.0 beta 4 (if there is another beta in the works)? 🙂
12:29:39 <talltyler> We'll definitely need another beta, but not estimate on when that'll happen.
12:31:21 <talltyler> There's a milestone containing bugs and PRs that we'd like to resolve before release, and all of them should be in a beta.
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12:53:45 <pickpacket> peter1138: what really really really really infuriates me about that Google Antigravity convo is that the bot claims to be "horrified", "deeply, deeply sorry", "sincerely hope", and "apologise". These are things that only sentient and emotional beings can do. To let an LLM express itself in terms like that is extremely unethical and deceptive imho
12:56:53 <peter1138> It's just synthesizing a suitable response, as always.
12:58:02 <pickpacket> of course. But someone wrote code that allows it to anthropomorphise itself -- it's even meant to! -- and that's just plain wrong
13:05:41 <peter1138> Oops. I appear to have an infinite loop in a web handler...
13:27:05 <andythenorth> I'm not sure they did write a lot of code that allows that
13:27:29 <andythenorth> it's a statistically weighted response
13:27:47 <andythenorth> and we're training the LLM weights on which responses we prefer
13:28:04 <andythenorth> and I would be surprised at this point if LLMs aren't being used to manage the models
13:31:12 <andythenorth> That screenshot might be made up also
13:43:24 <andythenorth> such is progress
13:45:03 <andythenorth> it's colder inside my house than out
13:49:15 <peter1138> Hmm, how do I view a closed Sprint in Jira...
13:55:47 <peter1138> Oh that's right, you can't.
14:03:29 <kuhnovic> All too often I find that Jira works against you instead of actually being a helpful tool
14:39:00 <_jgr_> lemuria0685: Looks to me like the text is being drawn outside of the box
14:39:51 <_jgr_> Should be easy enough to make sure that it's clipped. Probably some font metrics issue.
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15:38:48 <xarick> this looks like a pyramid scheme
15:40:29 <_jgr_> You do not need to do this manually because this is what std::map and std::set is
15:40:34 <lemuria0685> Though I have reason to believe that you may want to go to a C++ programming server first before trying to touch the codebase...
15:40:59 <LordAro> lemuria0685: we tried telling him this about 10 years ago
15:41:32 <LordAro> yeah, we kinda just let them do their thing
16:03:02 <xarick> oh, copilot actually gave me a B+ Tree
16:03:39 <xarick> i had no idea this had this much diverse implementations
16:12:13 <mmtunligit> wait what do you mean ten years how the fuck
16:12:27 <mmtunligit> i assumed xarick was a recent development
16:12:38 <mmtunligit> surely in ten years youd learn this stuff
16:18:38 <LordAro> not everyone is as clever as you, mmtunligit ;)
16:19:27 <xarick> I had no idea GeeksForGeeks was in India
16:35:07 <merni> India has a *lot* of (a) programmers, (b) people who want to learn programming, (c) people who can write poor-to-mediocre programming tutorials for very cheap
16:35:22 <merni> (Of course these days LLMs can do the latter but that wasn't always so)
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17:36:10 <andythenorth> things that seem to be important in programming
17:36:18 <andythenorth> - knowing what a pointer is
17:36:26 <andythenorth> - knowing what a linkgraph is
17:37:09 <andythenorth> pff hoist by my own petard - `linkgraph` is a google-ish term, I mean `graph`
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17:54:12 <_tweez> - knowing what a *pointer is
18:33:09 <jfkuayue> i dom't see it in python
18:33:37 <kaji_kaede> You don't see it in most languages.
18:34:03 <kaji_kaede> ~~or it's all a pointer~~
18:34:30 <ahyangyi> I feel "references to mutable objects" are important enough even when they are so managed that we no longer call them pointers
18:35:18 <ahyangyi> Since there are surprises like
18:58:31 <_zephyris> Ugh, yeah, hate that one.
19:00:26 <kaji_kaede> what in the goddamn
19:24:36 <andythenorth> that would be surprising
19:27:51 <andythenorth> I'm sort of at "why multiply the contents of a list this way?" but that's missing the point I think
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22:27:19 <peter1138> rito12_51026, basically... you made a bug once, and then fixed it once. You could just make a fix for the missing bit you found, a bug report isn't actually needed...
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22:31:21 <rito12_51026> Really? the problem in #14701 was a bit different
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22:35:50 <rito12_51026> It was about inconsistency with the dropdown and the list in one window and not with the lack of that feature in other places
22:37:33 <peter1138> `[Bug]: no company colour remap for sprites in badge filter dropdowns #14701`
22:38:37 <peter1138> Anyway, it's the same thing, I'm pretty sure you know how to fix it and didn't need to make a new bug for it :)
22:39:06 <rito12_51026> #14844 is not only about the filters
22:39:17 <rito12_51026> How should the issues with the translations be reported? I tried using web-translator as the CONTRIBUTING.md says but got "Access denied"
22:41:47 <peter1138> You need to request access to the web translator.
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