IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2025-11-30
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00:13:32 <_glx_> origin/master is most likely your own master
00:13:42 <_glx_> try with upstream/master
00:14:03 <_glx_> and maybe `git fetch upstream` first
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02:09:39 <alfagamma7> jfkuayue: Ivy Asia? Interesting.
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04:44:17 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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09:19:31 <jfkuayue> alfagamma7: Ivy is a high end british restaurant chain
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11:34:18 <peter1138> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/setuptools/dist.py:759: SetuptoolsDeprecationWarning: License classifiers are deprecated.
11:42:26 <peter1138> Hmm, think I need to split it a bit, I squashed too much :/
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11:54:50 <reldred> yolo merge and pick it up again in a new pr for additions
11:57:53 <peter1138> Nah, that commit split makes the regression test changes much clearer.
12:05:02 <peter1138> Yeah, that's weird :)
12:05:12 <peter1138> Surely there's numeric constants for features...
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15:34:00 <andythenorth> Could we give grf industries more control over placement at map gen?
15:34:19 <andythenorth> Especially the order to try and place types….
15:35:12 <andythenorth> I guess I could just resequence all the industry IDs to do that in FIRS
15:47:11 <talltyler> We could, if you can propose what control you want 🙂
15:47:36 <talltyler> Working with object placement has given me a new appreciation for how scattershot it is to place things during map gen
15:47:54 <talltyler> Literally “pick a random tile and check if it’s suitable”
15:48:16 <talltyler> Which is how GRF industries already control their placement 🙂
15:49:18 <talltyler> My PR to place objects near towns and industries is the only alternative I’ve come up with, besides iterating across every tile, which is much, much slower (but is how desert and snow are generated)
15:57:37 <andythenorth> Colocation of same or different industry types without footgun deadlocks is the current goal
15:58:18 <andythenorth> It’s possible already though, just depends on carefully sequencing industry IDs across multiple FIRS economies
15:58:47 <andythenorth> Whereas specifying an explicit build order would abstract from the IDs
15:59:19 <andythenorth> But then the counts might be wrong
16:03:09 <andythenorth> “Build all the coal mines”
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16:21:54 <peter1138> .format() I suppose :/
16:23:17 <peter1138> talltyler, which PR is that?
16:24:38 <peter1138> Ah, lighthouses/transmitters, not objects generally.
16:24:58 <peter1138> Although, is there an objectspec flag for it?
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16:26:07 <talltyler> My first iteration added flags but I removed them while refactoring as it was just bloat for a proof-of-concept PR. They’d be easy to add back if anyone wants them. 🙂
16:27:27 <peter1138> Well, I think lighthouses definitely have their own custom placement code anyway, and probably transmitters too. So it might basically be an enirely separate thing to have a generic flag as well.
16:41:21 <audigex> Is that the one we discussed a few days ago?
16:41:59 <andythenorth> industry object placer script?
16:42:08 <andythenorth> hmm scripts embedded in grfs 😛
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17:24:51 <andythenorth> grf probably runs before GS at map gen time?
17:26:45 <audigex> peter1138: Awesome, thanks 🙂
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17:47:41 <peter1138> Hmm, using a TN LCD display in portrait mode is quite painful, as is the 9:16 ratio :o
17:48:44 <Rubidium> well, don't put on your polarised sun glasses :D
17:49:14 <peter1138> The viewing angle so bad :o
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18:31:06 <rito12_51026> I have a question, which spelling is preferred "drop down" or "dropdown", because both of them are widely used in the codebase and from my research neither of them is the official form(it's “drop-down”). In few places “drop-down” has also been used but it is possible only in the comments. The Oxford Dictionary mentions that “dropdown” is a variation of “drop-down” and that the "drop down" is
18:31:06 <rito12_51026> considered a phrasal verb but can't be an adjective. However, they do not specify whether it can be a noun.
18:32:34 <_zephyris> Dropdown for the noun, drop down for the verb.
18:33:28 <andythenorth> it's a dropdown menu
18:35:25 <_zephyris> talltyler: Thinking more broadly than just these objects, having a few standard placing pattern rules which newgrfs (objects, industries) could use would be useful. Near towns, far from towns, on the peaks of hills, only close to water. I realise it sits in that gray area of what should be defined in a NewGRF/script, but having a decent toolkit for NewGRFs to access would be nice.
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19:10:30 <peter1138> So we should rename DropDownList to DropdownList?
19:10:59 <peter1138> Or should I go the pub?
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19:40:09 <LordAro> i once did a double ubuntu upgrade from the pub
19:40:24 <LordAro> for a customer (don't ask)
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