IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2023-11-16
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00:56:28 <johnfranklin[d]> jet lag is unavoidable
00:57:13 <johnfranklin[d]> When I am awake, Tyler is asleep
00:59:59 <goddess_ishtar> just don't sleep, obviously
01:01:03 <johnfranklin[d]> "Ishtar" should be a british name?
01:02:26 <goddess_ishtar> I'm not sure what you mean?
01:03:18 <johnfranklin[d]> I mean, it should be late in your time zone
01:03:35 <goddess_ishtar> No, I'm Canadian
01:04:26 <goddess_ishtar> ~~notwithstanding my messed-up sleep schedule~~
01:04:39 <johnfranklin[d]> The same timezone as Tyler (in Pittsburgh)
01:05:00 <talltyler> I’m awake, just not active on Discord
01:05:50 <johnfranklin[d]> But hours later, I am at noon, and you will go to sleep
01:06:29 <goddess_ishtar> johnfranklin[d]: The username is from the Mesopotamian goddess of war and fertility, by the way
01:06:29 <goddess_ishtar> Also known as "Inanna"
02:10:13 <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't there an ishta-gate or something?
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08:56:31 <peter1138> Also an anagram of Trisha
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10:10:00 <LordAro> linkgraphs are only used when cargodist is turned on, i think?
10:11:56 <peter1138> ... I keep trying to press Ctrl-O to view outlines in Firefox.
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13:38:24 <LordAro> i had some mince pies
13:38:31 <peter1138> Yes, I have a salad. Liquorice all sorts.
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14:43:31 <peter1138> Wish my dogs would shut the door behind them.
14:59:00 <talltyler> Have you tried asking nicely?
15:06:03 <merni> Or one of those mini-doors for dogs
15:06:08 <merni> I forget what they are called
15:35:06 <Timberwolf> One of our dogs shuts the door behind him when he manages to get in the bathroom. It's not amazingly helpful.
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16:34:57 <alfagamma7> Timberwolf: Gets into the bathroom for the usual?
16:36:59 <Timberwolf> He just wants to see if there's fun stuff to steal in there, because he found some makeup brushes once. Then bumps the door closed and some time later I can't find the dog and have a closed room which is unexpectedly making sad noises.
17:07:14 <peter1138> Well, this is going to upset the CI :p
17:07:40 <LordAro> merge all the things!
17:34:54 <LordAro> (clarification: peter1138's new GUI windows. Win11 can get in the sea)
17:36:42 <talltyler> I have Win11 on my work laptop, but luckily I have to use it so rarely that my frustration has so far been confined to “why is the start button in the wrong place?”
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18:03:43 <peter1138> After about 2 years of it I finally gave in.
18:04:49 <peter1138> So I'm now back on Linux on the desktop at home after over a decade hiatus.
18:05:05 <goddess_ishtar> my laptop has the physical Windows key on the right side of the keyboard instead of the left
18:05:07 <_jgr_> I'm pretty sure you can move the start menu button back to the corner, even if the menu itself is a bit weird
18:05:37 <goddess_ishtar> _jgr_: yeah there are literally two options to customize it, "middle" and "left"
18:05:40 <peter1138> It was the adverts that got me :-)
18:05:54 <goddess_ishtar> put it back to the left and it's mostly the same as Win 10, if a little bad still
18:06:34 <goddess_ishtar> I hate that they've merged the battery and wifi and sound status and everything into one widget
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18:11:28 <_glx_> talltyler: you can move it to the left where it should be
18:39:11 <talltyler> Good to know. I’m about to move again (11th time in 8 years, ugh) so I’ll probably be using the laptop until I get internet at my new place.
18:39:30 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
18:40:18 <goddess_ishtar> the only real reason preventing me from using Linux for everything is that most games still support Windows only
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19:01:35 <peter1138> Heh, so 3x font scaling with OpenGFX2 becomes awkward. Because it has 1x and 2x sprites, 3x is no longer integer scaling, but 1.5x scaling.
19:02:04 <peter1138> I think I might delete that branch as scalable fonts exist anyway.
19:35:15 <peter1138> I nearly got sidetracked with that one.
19:36:11 <peter1138> I think the AI/GS windows can both be improved, but that's for another time.
19:41:23 <andythenorth> The UX on them always trips me up, can’t remember why
19:46:27 <peter1138> Maybe I should rewrite them as Game Options tabs...
19:47:07 <_zephyris> peter1138: Are you playing with some 1.5x GUI sprite support?
19:47:19 <peter1138> No, completely variable.
19:47:27 <peter1138> But only for GUI/Fonts.
19:47:38 <peter1138> Main reason it doesn't go anywhere is that it looks terrible.
19:48:04 <peter1138> Maybe bilinear filtering would work...
19:49:03 <peter1138> Another issue is that sprites with different offsets end up with their doubled pixels at different places.
19:49:32 <peter1138> So for fonts, it's really not worth doing, as we support scalable fonts anyway.
20:02:36 <peter1138> I could've done this all as one PR, but...
20:05:03 <_zephyris> Fair enough. The better solution is 1.5x as well as 2x and 4x sprites anyway... which I'm sure is _far_ more complex than it sounds.
20:05:39 <peter1138> If we add support for more sizes then IMHO it needs to be completely free.
20:06:21 <LordAro> didn't you do the frame borders already?
20:07:45 <peter1138> These commits are all from about 3 weeks ago. I've just been sat on them getting sidetracked by other things.
20:16:50 <_zephyris> Hmm, why is it "Map size: 512 * 512" and not "Map size: 512 × 512"?
20:17:24 <goddess_ishtar> someone couldn't find the × character?
20:17:40 <_zephyris> Maybe ASCII 0xD7 isn't in the original graphics.
20:17:46 <_zephyris> I think it is though...
20:18:52 <_jgr_> The in game texts just use the 'x' letter
20:19:15 <peter1138> Except here, where it's an asterisk.
20:20:59 <_zephyris> It is in the original graphics normal sprite font, #185 I think
20:21:12 <_zephyris> Really should be a proper ×
20:21:33 <_zephyris> Something in my OCD scientist/scientific writing brain is starting to itch
20:22:54 <talltyler> GitHub diffs and the nature of GUI code make these hard to review but I do try 😉
20:28:09 <_zephyris> For that matter, tile information coordinates should be (x, y, z) not x x y x z
20:33:58 <peter1138> STR_MAPGEN_BY :{BLACK}*
20:34:35 <peter1138> Are the coordinates anywhere other than the land area info window?
20:34:51 <_zephyris> I'm digging through english.txt
20:35:03 <_zephyris> STR_LAND_AREA_INFORMATION_LANDINFO_COORDS
20:36:14 <peter1138> My only concern with using × is that it might prevent some truetype fonts from being usable.
20:36:23 <peter1138> So a plain x might be preferred.
20:36:52 <peter1138> Or "by", as the string name is.
20:36:53 <_zephyris> Mmm, I'd be surprised, its ASCII after all...
20:37:03 <_zephyris> But it's a fair point
20:37:13 <peter1138> ASCII only goes up to 127.
20:38:05 <peter1138> × is probably more available than ł which we used to have...
20:38:29 <Rubidium> you'd almost add an extra string code so you can use some characters that might not be in the character set and then replace that by something else. Can then also be used for the Zloty :D
20:39:26 <peter1138> I can't remember what incantation I used for fc-list to show what fonts support the character...
20:39:35 <peter1138> Maybe I included that in the Zloty change.
20:41:48 <peter1138> Yeah, I have 932 fonts with *, but only 321 with ×
20:42:46 <_zephyris> That's a pretty big delta... That's a pretty big font collection!
20:42:48 <peter1138> Rubidium, or a better font fallback system.
20:43:52 <peter1138> fc-list treats styles as different fonts, so Arial, Arial Italic, Arial Bold, and Arial Bold Italic count as 4.
20:54:56 <peter1138> * isn't otherwise used as anything other than a random symbol, e.g. "* * PAUSED * *", or a footnote indicator.
20:55:19 <peter1138> * is an asterisk over here...
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21:21:51 <peter1138> Not sure what to do with the frame borders on the network client list.
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22:15:13 <LordAro> peter1138: i'm surprised you have 88 fonts with 'x' but not '*'
22:17:21 <peter1138> There's probably some niche arty fonts or something.
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22:52:54 <peter1138> Nice, there's a version of DOSBox... for DOS.
23:01:33 <FLHerne> no-one thinks it's odd that you can run Linux VMs/hypervisors on Linux
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23:18:54 <talltyler> Hmm, I should test before opening a PR 😛
23:19:17 <talltyler> Finally figured out my timetable issue, but should ensure the saveload stuff I wrote actually works too!
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23:34:01 <goddess_ishtar> hold on a moment
23:34:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i've run windows in dosbox
23:34:31 <talltyler> I hope this avoids the bug I’ve been fighting since September!
23:34:58 <goddess_ishtar> nvm, I think I read that wrong
23:35:24 <goddess_ishtar> I was confused why you would show times to the player that are half as accurate as the internal time
23:35:54 <peter1138> "Currently, timetables use ticks for everything for the start date, mostly avoiding this problem."
23:36:01 <peter1138> Should there be an "except" in there?
23:37:49 <goddess_ishtar> this is wholly internal, yes? as in nothing changes for the player?
23:38:44 <goddess_ishtar> actually I think I'm bikeshedding here
23:41:01 <talltyler> Yes should be “except” 🙂
23:41:05 <peter1138> The main change is 1) from date (74 ticks) to ticks (er, 1 tick!) and 2) it counts down the ticks-til-start instead checking for a date in the future.
23:42:21 <talltyler> goddess_ishtar: You can always show time in ticks, which is 74 times more accurate than days 😛
23:42:33 <talltyler> But not very user-friendly because they’re huge numbers
23:51:46 <goddess_ishtar> talltyler: ah yes, my bus service will connect to my train service in 2,220 ticks
23:54:59 <talltyler> Hmm, the gui refresh in #11435 is still wrong, but that’s a problem for another day
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