IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2023-10-19
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07:10:36 <LordAro> ok, *now* it's morning
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07:37:04 <peter1138> Good idea, to be honest.
07:40:55 <truebrain> I did that last night, early in the evening. In result I couldn't sleep when I needed too. Now I am tired. I did not fix any problems 😄
07:58:15 <peter1138> There was a crash-bang in the night...
07:59:03 <peter1138> Anywhere, there is now a very clean tub on the floor, which used to contain cake, and a tubby looking dog.
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08:33:36 <alfagamma7> everyone's mostly out enjoying themselves and here I am stuck at home with work
09:35:30 <LordAro> how does one tell the boss "A ticket with the subject 'deployment of dashboard fails' with no other information is completely useless" ?
09:36:29 <dwfreed> "works on my machine"
10:02:41 <truebrain> LordAro: wit "PEBKAC", ofc
10:11:48 <dwfreed> "Sounds like an ID-10-T error"
10:29:19 <peter1138> Tell her you'll look into it right away, thanks for the heads up! <smiley face>
10:34:56 <peter1138> Hmm, should I switch to SPD-SL for the road bike...
10:53:42 <peter1138> They also ate all the expensive biscuits...
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13:11:54 <peter1138> Hmm, weird caching behaviour...
13:12:31 <peter1138> I updated my icon font with an extra glyph, and it shows if I press Ctrl-F5, but if I navigate to another page it disappears again...
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16:08:42 <talltyler> Does that fix #11352, or is that a different widget?
16:14:46 <peter1138> Different issue I believe.
16:15:03 <peter1138> Yeah, that's the server address in the side panel.
16:19:22 <peter1138> Yeah I mangled those comments didn't I...
16:20:26 <talltyler> Just a bit mangled 😛
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17:11:42 <truebrain> Lol, so a member of our organisation tried to activate CoPilot. Now GitHub tells me someone did, but refuses to tell me who 😛
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17:18:55 <truebrain> Rubidium: I can see who when I pay .. seems more like an evil ploy to get me to pay 😛
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17:24:54 <alfagamma7> Damn Amazon Prime doesn't want me to subscribe BBC Player
17:25:04 <alfagamma7> even though I am paying for it
17:26:04 <LordAro> truebrain: could be one of the many translators?
17:26:48 <truebrain> Who knows! That is my point! Pure evil!
17:31:39 <merni> Well github like any company needs to make money
17:32:13 <merni> we should be happy they're not trying to charge people for cosmetic rubbish like discord is
17:32:38 <truebrain> If that pays the bills, I am all for it
17:34:34 <alfagamma7> Ads are a necessary evil
17:34:46 <alfagamma7> No business can survive without it
17:35:28 <peter1138> If your business model is ads, your business model is shit.
17:36:16 <peter1138> Remember all the ads on IRC?
17:36:28 <LordAro> I think all businesses from before ~2000 would disagree with you
17:36:41 <LordAro> and if you're talking physical ads rather than internet ads... ~1950 ?
17:37:52 <LordAro> and even if we're talking "in today's world"... have you seen any physical shop ever? I'd suggest the majority of those don't have any real form of ads
17:39:15 <truebrain> alfagamma7: A lovely overgeneralized statement 😄
17:39:37 <truebrain> Guess you haven't found anything build on microtransactions either 😛
17:40:34 <truebrain> LordAro: Rome around 0AD didn't have big banners to sell people the next cure? 😄
17:41:10 <LordAro> i did wonder if the point i was trying to make made any sense
17:41:27 <LordAro> depends on your definition of "ad"
17:42:19 <truebrain> and I am just trolling, so wouldn't have mattered anyway 😛
17:49:52 <Eddi|zuHause> there wasn't a 0AD
17:50:57 <Eddi|zuHause> a) it jumped from 1BC to 1AD, and b) they wouldn't have used this date back then, that was invented like 300 years later
17:51:29 <truebrain> lol, your b) is utter crap; you can reference something without that being a thing in that time easily
17:51:36 <truebrain> if you are pedantic, at least do it with the right argumentation 😛
17:51:51 <truebrain> in your reasoning, you can't say 10BC, as "BC DIDNT EXIST THEN"
17:52:01 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not what i said
17:52:21 <truebrain> no, you were being pedantic, but failed; it is what it is 🙂
17:52:36 <Eddi|zuHause> only if you completely ignore a)
17:52:50 <truebrain> a) is the pedantic part 😉
17:53:30 * peter1138 throws around some smart pointers.
17:53:47 <truebrain> *using the voice of Marvin*: like that has ever fixed anything
18:00:08 <peter1138> 17 files changed, 288 insertions(+), 458 deletions(-)
18:00:16 <truebrain> no, it just adds 3 lines
18:00:17 <peter1138> That is too many insertions
18:01:43 <_glx_> oh that should reset the 60days timers
18:07:11 <brickblock19280> turns out you can crash the game when the airport doesn't have a runway
18:07:30 <brickblock19280> or maybe it was due to not having a depot
18:07:48 <truebrain> now the (pedantic) question is: is it an airport without a runway? 😄
18:10:14 <brickblock19280> turns out it was due to there not being any depot tile
18:10:15 <truebrain> "ready to crash?" - "yes sir!"
18:14:50 <truebrain> anyway, I guess some validation is missing .. I don't think the game should crash due to a bad grf
18:14:53 <truebrain> so .. ticket time? 😄
18:29:02 <brickblock19280> I think this is it
18:41:51 <brickblock19280> seems to crash even with a depot tile
18:43:10 <brickblock19280> but maybe only when path finding to the boarding area
18:45:30 <LordAro> there are airports with no depot, that shouldn't inherently be an issue...
18:45:50 <LordAro> (a couple of the helipads, specifically)
18:46:30 <brickblock19280> it always crashed when they were leaving
18:48:44 <LordAro> one day someone will figure out newgrf airports
18:50:04 <peter1138> It's "just" the state machine that isn't programmable, right?
18:51:29 <LordAro> though a thought occurs - one of the main issues has been deadlock detection, right? why not just detect that a deadlock has happened (all waiting spots occupied?) and arbitrarily move one of the planes, even if that results in a plane moving through another
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18:52:37 <michi_cc[d]> Personally, I'd try airports using path reservations. If safe waiting spots are properly defined, it should in theory work.
18:59:51 <peter1138> LordAro, quantum aircraft movement :D
19:00:10 <peter1138> The current state of initializing the machines is horrible too.
19:00:47 <peter1138> So a rewrite with the safe-waiting-point principle seems an idea.
19:05:35 <michi_cc[d]> Why try to make deadlocks impossible? We don't try to do that for trains either. It would needs an "ignore signals" button to resolve some suff, but that'S it.
19:06:45 <peter1138> Then you need to decide if you want predesigned airports like now or completely free airports...
19:06:59 <talltyler> For what it’s worth, here’s the current state of modular airports, last updated 3 weeks ago 🙂
19:07:55 <talltyler> I believe the author is working on multi-tile depots first, and has a few PRs open awaiting review from someone smarter than me… 😉
19:27:14 <peter1138> talltyler, seems to be the wrong repo for a PR ;)
19:38:54 <talltyler> Yes, I think it’s heavily WIP
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19:59:08 <peter1138> Urgh, that released the archviles...
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20:01:47 <wensimehrp> talltyler: Simutrans
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20:06:25 <j0anjosep> peter1138: It is just for triggering GitHub actions and keep a history of the feature. It is not the wrong repo for its purpose.
20:06:49 <peter1138> I didn't even forget the smiley...
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21:11:37 <andythenorth> do we do "what I am listening to" still?
21:11:41 <andythenorth> or was that very 2004?
21:11:55 * andythenorth listening to Runaway Train by Soul Asylum
21:12:01 <andythenorth> worryingly on-topic
21:12:43 <peter1138> It really whips the llama's ass?
21:12:54 <peter1138> Are you going to start "audioscrobbling"?
21:13:18 <andythenorth> is that safe to google?
21:13:33 <peter1138> It's what turned into last.fm.
21:13:53 <andythenorth> there's probably Applescrobble
21:14:00 <andythenorth> on whatever itunes is called now
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21:16:15 <peter1138> There was a whole ecosystem of plugins for music players to update whatever you were listening to.
21:16:30 <peter1138> Along with statuses in instant messengers.
21:25:45 <xarick> what is the requirements to run openttd with hw accel?
21:26:28 <LordAro> a functioning graphics card, for the most part
21:29:04 <peter1138> On Windows, at least OpenGL 3.2.
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22:08:01 <xarick> Intel® HD Graphics 2000, OpenGL 3.1
22:08:10 <xarick> of course, I had to be unlucky by a version
22:09:26 <peter1138> It doesn't offer much though.
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23:03:19 <_glx_> intel opengl drivers are not the best anyway
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