IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2023-04-04
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10:11:11 <TrueBrain> Hmm .. why is town-names like that 😛 This is an installation that I only use to validate Steam binaries .. I am somewhat surprised 🙂
10:12:26 <LordAro> previously loaded newgrf?
10:12:31 <LordAro> sounds like a bug though :)
10:12:52 <TrueBrain> ah, no, you are on to something there .. I might had a townname GRF loaded once, and threw it away
10:13:01 <TrueBrain> but yeah, I still wouldn't expect this 😄
10:13:32 <TrueBrain> ugh, everytime I open our load/save game window, I realise how shitty it is 😛
10:13:43 <TrueBrain> why does it show me my drive-letters .. like that is not the important thing here
10:14:13 <LordAro> because it's barely been updated since TT :p
10:14:18 <LordAro> you know the answer to these questions :p
10:14:33 <TrueBrain> I do, but it keeps me from doing the thing I want to do!
10:14:55 <TrueBrain> as then I am like: I want to do this, but I should first fix that .. and that ... and that ... (20 levels deeper) and that ....
10:34:35 <pickpacket> Are town names large sets of ready names or large sets of partial names that are combined into town names?
10:35:16 <Brickblock1> they can be both but usually they are made up of parts
11:02:26 <petern> Speaking of yes, I think it's probably lunch time.
11:05:00 <pickpacket> petern: deffo. It's 12:00 where you are, isn't it?
11:49:09 <pickpacket> I had pasta and spinach stew
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12:08:36 <andythenorth> I am having a fish
12:24:17 <petern> I've found that if I do a late evening MTB ride I'm on the verge of skipping dinner.
12:25:11 <petern> Don't want to eat before as it can be uncomfortable riding around full of food, and then back after 10pm means I'm no longer hungry.
12:55:53 <TallTyler> Picnic halfway? Might be the worst of both though 😛
13:50:19 <LordAro> that sounds like a spicy sort of change
13:51:34 <pickpacket> that sort of change would completely change the game
13:52:20 <pickpacket> not saying whether it'd be better or worse, just saying that pretty much every current big money strategy can be tossed out the window
13:55:53 <dP> not really, it only affects extremely long routes that exploited that time factor limit
13:56:02 <dP> like 2k tiles or more, depending on the engine
13:56:55 <dP> actually, more like 3k for kirby and more for everything else xD
14:01:01 <TrueBrain> once is an accident, twice is a pattern 😛
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15:11:41 <garlic_bread42> Is there a way to access older Versions of a grf via bananas?
15:11:41 <garlic_bread42> Latest version of my grf is working with 13.0 or newer, and I've got players complaining that they can't download the older version on Bananas anymore. Just curious:)
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15:12:14 <wyndbain> You could upload a “legacy GETS”
15:12:34 <Brickblock1> would need different grfid
15:12:51 <Brickblock1> but why not tell them to update openttd?
15:13:00 <garlic_bread42> Android players
15:13:09 <Brickblock1> 13 is on mobile now
15:20:31 <garlic_bread42> As a beta, yes. I don't expect the standard player to take part in the beta testing. Still, a solution to the initial problem might be interesting?
15:26:49 <Rubidium_> it gets mentioned like monthly, but nobody seems to want it enough to actually implement it
15:31:24 <garlic_bread42> petern: A way to access older grf versions.
15:31:32 <garlic_bread42> garlic_bread42: See here
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15:34:36 <LordAro> according to the BaNaNaS ToS, we're only allowed to distribute the latest version
15:35:12 <LordAro> except for the purpose of loading existing save games
15:35:32 <petern> Distribute a savegame requiring the old version: -)
15:36:27 <garlic_bread42> Rewrite it to "last compatible"?
15:37:01 <LordAro> we could never make that apply retroactively
15:38:13 <petern> Can we let the author control whether it's available or not? Defaults to no so that no ToS-breaking occurs.
15:41:43 <garlic_bread42> This seems like a good idea to someone without any technical knowledge (=me). Can I help in any way to make that happen?
15:43:00 <petern> I've no idea, it's all in some weird snake-language.
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15:52:22 <glx[d]> we already need to let author manage the available version, currently it's only the latest uploaded one
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15:59:39 <andythenorth> it is very sunny, should I ride my bike?
15:59:46 <andythenorth> I haven't even seen my bike since November
16:45:07 <debdog> on linux I have the folders ~/.openttd/ and ~/.local/share/openttd/ -slash- ~/.config/openttd/
16:45:07 <debdog> which ones are actually used and can I just copy files from the un-used one(s) to the used one(s)?
16:46:17 <Wolf01> Move all the 3 to an other folder, run the game and check which one is recreated :P
16:53:53 <debdog> from the directories' dates I suppose ~/.openttd/ is obsolete...
16:54:51 <debdog> except content_download in there is still used by more recent ottd versions
16:57:03 <glx[d]> you can use `list_dirs` console command
17:09:36 <TrueBrain> We left .openttd in to read from for backwards compatibility. A clean install only writes to .local and friends
17:09:57 <TrueBrain> In other words, we try to follow XDG these days 🙂
17:10:26 <debdog> confirms the list_dirs findings
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17:53:31 <debdog> du -hs .local/share/openttd/
17:53:31 <debdog> 5,2G .local/share/openttd/
17:53:55 <debdog> wow, that's something. years of akkumulationg :D
17:58:29 <petern> Killed a Cyberdemon with only 8%/0% health/armour 😒
18:01:26 <andythenorth> might play tanks
18:03:29 <LordAro> petern: can you make my knee stop hurting please
18:54:04 <debdog> may amputation be an option
19:30:48 <pickpacket> so now my gf has introduced her 4yo kid to the game...
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19:38:04 <petern> FIRS and Iron Horse for simplicity?
19:43:19 <pickpacket> nah. Just a mod for a nicer HQ (City HQ), eVRGTS or whatever it's called for some more road vehicles, and Tea Tea Deluxe
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20:32:07 <andythenorth> oof FIRS is so bad for FPS
20:52:59 <petern> So is raytracing. FIRS raytraces?
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