IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2023-04-05
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07:42:07 <TrueBrain> so he did manage to recover access to his account after all? Magic, how that works 🙂
07:43:22 <TrueBrain> okay, so most of BaNaNaS is classified now .. only leaving GS/AI .. I still wonder what the best approach is to deal with those ..
07:43:49 <TrueBrain> for AIs it would be nice to know if it builds trains, RVs, ships, aircrafts .. but how to detect that safely
07:44:01 <TrueBrain> analyzing the script is kinda tricky, as it might use libraries, etc
07:47:33 <TrueBrain> hmm .. and I guess you can do something like `local test = AIRoad; test.BuildRoad()`, making it even more difficult to track what is actually being called ..
07:50:29 <andythenorth> doesn't GPT know?
07:50:36 <andythenorth> we can run our own LLM in a lamdba?
07:50:52 <andythenorth> I did ask GPT to write GS
07:50:56 <andythenorth> it's laughably bad
07:52:30 <TrueBrain> hmm ... so I guess simulation gives a few questions that needs answering .. does map-size really matter?
07:52:39 <TrueBrain> can we simulate on a 128x128, and assume it behaves similar on bigger maps?
07:52:50 <TrueBrain> (just .. you know .. slower :P)
07:53:23 <TrueBrain> is the performance of an AI when it is alone on a map comparable against when there are several on a map?
07:53:43 <TrueBrain> we can't actually measure if it is "playing nice" anyway
07:54:07 <TrueBrain> does start-date matter? does climate matter? do NewGRFs loaded matter?
07:55:15 <TrueBrain> and ofc, what is the best way to make screenshots of the minimap so you can see a timelaps 😛
07:56:22 <TrueBrain> guess we just need to agree on some presets to run simulation on .. some variations which are realistic
07:56:42 <TrueBrain> which brings me to the next question .. where to get the hardware from to run this on .. hmmm
07:57:17 <TrueBrain> we have sufficient CPU power left in our cluster .. just RAM is a bit of an issue 🙂
08:02:27 <petern> Create a botnet to hand the work off to random computers...
08:02:52 <petern> I downloaded Fallout 76 last night. I created a character this morning.
08:03:03 <petern> I saw a guitar and went to play it.
08:03:22 <petern> The game crashed, less than 5 seconds into the game.
08:48:30 <TrueBrain> ever considered tester as new carreer?
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10:40:50 <pickpacket> is there any difference in how much money Owen receives depending on if I do a bank transfer or use paypal?
10:51:25 <LordAro> paypal generally takes a cut
10:58:11 <pickpacket> hm. My bank wants to know Owen's address before letting me send him money
10:59:00 <LordAro> orudge: ^ if you're about
10:59:09 <LordAro> seems a bit strange though
10:59:49 <petern> Anti money laundering rules I guess
11:01:11 <pickpacket> that red (1) means "you have to fill this in, bro"
11:01:26 <petern> This stuff is why I'd just use PayPal 🙂
11:02:02 <petern> Hmm, hungry. 5 mugs of coffee doesn't help that.
11:02:11 <petern> Does mean lots of trips upstairs though.
11:02:11 <pickpacket> yeah, that's certainly simpler :) I just want as much as possible of the money to reach him
11:04:12 <pickpacket> meh. I'll just use paypal. Will have to wait until I have my bank card here though
11:29:11 <TrueBrain> Maybe we should enable GitHub Sponsor stuff; from what I read it is pretty decent
11:31:08 <andythenorth> I used to git-tip people
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11:37:19 <pickpacket> TrueBrain: couldn't hurt. Also couldn't hurt to show what the actual cost of services is somewhere
11:38:37 <TrueBrain> Bit tricky, as it isn't constant. But it is around 300 dollar a month, give or take a release
11:49:55 <pickpacket> that is a lot of money
11:50:17 <TrueBrain> not really, looking at the infrastructure we have going
11:50:37 <pickpacket> didn't say it was expensive, just a lot of money :)
11:51:11 <pickpacket> for an open source project which most fans probably more or less take for granted
11:51:42 <TrueBrain> we have been fairly blessed that we haven't needed any fundraiser in years; people are graceful enough to donate on their own. That always makes me happy 🙂
12:05:14 <TrueBrain> hmm, it made me look into Cloudflare R2 again .. should save a bit of money every month, as a big part of the bill is bandwidth .. just a bit complex to understand how to use it best, with the least amount of effort 😛
12:07:59 <TrueBrain> and it would require a 14.0 release, so clients use https ..
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12:21:11 <andythenorth> we don't have 'donate' in the client? 😛
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12:26:46 <pickpacket> andythenorth: ooo! That'd be a great thing to have!
12:27:06 <pickpacket> TrueBrain: what eats the bandwidth? multiplayer games?
12:32:48 <petern> TrueBrain: Release early, often, etc ...
12:32:58 <LordAro> the larger newgrfs (not just a/zBase) are the reason we have caching bananas servers...
12:33:12 <petern> Upset the diehard Debian stable users
12:34:47 <petern> andythenorth: I had a salad again.
12:34:56 <andythenorth> cheese on toast here
12:34:58 <petern> I might get something different one day.
12:35:06 <andythenorth> have red leaves not green?
12:35:49 <petern> Also it's MTB night, so I should probably have an early dinner.
12:42:06 <pickpacket> I haven't been on a run for several days, but today I'm installing a dishwasher so I won't have time
12:45:32 <TrueBrain> petern: Yeah, never managed to make that a thing with OpenTTD
12:46:18 <petern> There's always "just one more thing"
12:46:44 <andythenorth> and too much overhead
12:46:59 <andythenorth> but we grind that down a bit every time?
12:47:37 <andythenorth> one of the projects I manage has a really bureaucratic release cycle
12:48:06 <andythenorth> there are 10 steps in the release template
12:48:15 <andythenorth> and it takes up to an hour, depending when the deploy script runs
12:48:22 <andythenorth> unless I screw up, then it's longer 😛
12:50:29 <andythenorth> hmm .... but we can't release very often?
12:50:35 <andythenorth> because client - server compatibility?
13:18:36 <pickpacket> I wouldn't want to update every day
13:18:59 <pickpacket> 3-6 times a year is a good release cycle imho
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17:44:28 <petern> Well it would have to be raining...
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19:58:38 <audigexJon> pickpacket: Why limit yourself to only once a day? AM and PM builds
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20:47:07 <andythenorth> so just ship the nightly to the website, you say?
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21:38:33 <petern> Oh no, I just realised I'm in a new category in Strava...
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21:40:55 <pickpacket> petern: which category?
21:42:43 <petern> I've been in a few weight categories, I can control that one...
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