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01:00:43  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #10575: RFC: Change: Vehicle service uses reliability threshold, not time interval https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10575#pullrequestreview-1347334977



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02:46:03  <TallTyler> JGR: How does it actually work?



02:46:21  <TallTyler> (No rush explaining, I’m about to go to bed)



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08:38:42  <andythenorth> o/



08:38:55  <andythenorth> simulate me a discord conversation about OpenTTD development



08:39:05  <andythenorth> oops, this isn't chatGPT



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08:54:27  <JGR> TallTyler: The threshold is (100% - N%) * the engine's (not vehicle's) current reliability value



08:54:35  <JGR> <https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/master/src/vehicle.cpp#L194>



08:56:04  <JGR> Therefore the two units do not scale in opposite directions with respect to that actual servicing interval, as mentioned in the PR



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08:58:22  <kamnet> andythenorth: Are you paying for access to ChatGPT 4?



08:58:28  <andythenorth> yes



08:58:39  <andythenorth> well, not specifically, I'm paying for chatGPT



09:00:25  <JGR> TallTyler: Making this the only mode seems potentially problematic when there is widespread misunderstanding of what it actually does



09:58:57  <andythenorth> oof trying to retroactively make current Iron Horse compatible with OpenTTD 13.0



09:59:01  <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1086951955584266270/image.png



10:00:01  <andythenorth> Prop 0x31 I believe is "More callback flags"



10:00:12  <andythenorth> per https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10399



10:00:46  <andythenorth> grf spec status suggests that's documented for nfo https://wiki.openttd.org/en/Development/NewGRF/Specification%20Status



10:01:17  <andythenorth> but I can't see it (might just be looking in the wrong place).  Is it there, or should I add it? https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action0/Vehicles/Trains



10:02:59  <andythenorth> and following from that...is nml auto-adding prop 0x31?  https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10399/files



10:03:21  <andythenorth> which would mean that nobody with current nml can compile 13.0 compatible grfs maybe?



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10:09:00  <michi_cc[d]> andythenorth: NML should only add the prop if the name callback is used (i.e. a bit in that prop has to be set).



10:09:20  <michi_cc[d]> andythenorth: https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action0/Vehicles/Trains#Callbacks_.281E.2C_31.29



10:10:43  <michi_cc[d]> And the actual callback is (as all) at <https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Callbacks#Engine_name_.28161.29>



10:13:00  <andythenorth> oh I see, it's just out of order in the train page, with 1E



10:13:12  <andythenorth> thanks



10:17:43  <andythenorth> hmm, name callback is not used, do I want to read the nfo? 😛



10:17:55  <andythenorth> I believe there was talk of an OpenTTD release 😛



10:23:36  <JGR> NML does not have any logic to set one callback property but not the other



10:24:56  <andythenorth> the fastest fix for me would be to use an older nmlc build I think



10:25:45  <michi_cc[d]> Then https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/blob/master/nml/actions/action0.py#L1123 would be broken, that should only output non-zero props



10:26:43  <andythenorth> first step: am I diagnosing this correctly?  The error says train prop 0x31



10:27:16  <andythenorth> the nfo is `17699 * 11 00 00 \b2 01 FF \wx2684



10:27:16  <andythenorth> 1E 48



10:27:16  <andythenorth> 31 00



10:27:16  <andythenorth> `



10:27:49  <michi_cc[d]> Okay, so that line does not work and whoever approved my PR was "bad" 🙂



10:28:08  <andythenorth> no, I might still have bad nml



10:28:12  <JGR> Look two lines up



10:28:18  <JGR> `not isinstance(prop_info_list, list)`



10:28:19  <andythenorth> I might have a local build with patches



10:28:58  <JGR> Actually, never mind, I'm reading python wrong again



10:29:11  <michi_cc[d]> A `two_byte_property` should already be a list though, it is just wrapping the one byte props on one, too.



10:29:43  * andythenorth removes local patches



10:29:54  <michi_cc[d]> It would mean ` if parsed_value[0].value != 0:` is the wrong test, but my NMLC/Python knowledge is sketchy at best.



10:30:11  <andythenorth> ok PEBKAC



10:30:27  <andythenorth> I tested an early patch of name callback, but not the final PR version



10:31:06  <andythenorth> classic problem of testing development version 😛



10:32:52  <andythenorth> Horse now works in 13.0



10:32:54  <andythenorth> thanks



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11:11:16  <TallTyler> JGR: Good god, what a mess



11:11:46  <TallTyler> More investigation required



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11:15:15  <dP> it kind of makes sense though with randomized reliability



11:15:36  <dP> if you have engine with 49% max reliability in would never drop 50%



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11:56:29  <JohnFranklin> What does reliability_decay mean?



11:56:38  <JohnFranklin> The default is 20



12:11:35  <Eddi|zuHause> changes how often you need to send the vehicles to depot to refresh them to max reliability



12:12:15  <JohnFranklin> What does “20” mean? -20% for 30 days?



12:13:04  <Eddi|zuHause> dunno, most likely it's a countdown value that is deducted every few ticks



12:13:44  <JohnFranklin> Okay, so the larger the value is, the more reliable the vehicle will be?



12:13:57  <Eddi|zuHause> no, the larger the value, the quicker the reduction



12:14:12  <Eddi|zuHause> (probably)



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12:18:34  <petern> As an engine property, it's used to set the initial engine type reliability curve



12:26:36  <Eddi|zuHause> i should have bought a new computer like 5 years ago...



12:44:46  <petern> It would be 5 years out of date



12:45:14  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but better than 12 years :p



12:56:34  <andythenorth> so...releasing multiple grfs from a monorepo



12:57:04  <andythenorth> major version is simple, and directly related to changing grfid, e.g. "Iron Horse 2" -> "Iron Horse 3" = grfid bump



12:57:42  <andythenorth> given bananas and players not really needing to manage downloading and instally, all other version numbers are meaningless to end user?



13:04:20  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler opened pull request #10576: Cleanup: Keep spacing saveload versions by groups of five https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10576



13:07:11  <Eddi|zuHause> the action14 version number is used by the game to pick the "newest" version of the same grf if multiple are installed



13:08:24  <andythenorth> yes



13:08:32  <andythenorth> that just uses a git rev count here



13:14:11  <petern> Infallible.



13:16:04  <andythenorth> works if all releases are from main



13:16:09  <andythenorth> less so in dev branches 😛



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13:29:15  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #10575: RFC: Change: Vehicle service uses reliability threshold, not time interval https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10575#pullrequestreview-1347457027



13:29:53  <dP> hm, I have the config file, is there some way for server to download all the newgrfs involved?



13:30:46  <dP> I don't even see how can I tell it do download the specific version of newgrf



13:31:46  <Rubidium> no(t yet) AFAIK



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13:31:54  <glx> Grfid and md5 ?



13:32:04  <dP> glx: yeah, I have both



13:32:25  <glx> Check how saveload/server join does it



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13:37:08  <Eddi|zuHause> dP: it's generally easier if you have a savegame, not a config file



13:39:45  <dP> hm, I guess I can try that as quick workaround



13:43:22  <dP> nope, I don't support loading saves on citymania 😅



13:46:17  <dP> cool, I've made a server that crashes clients 🤣



13:47:13  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure that's illegal in some states :p



14:02:06  <FLHerne> probably a client bug, I can imagine that being remotely exploitable with a malicious server



14:02:32  <FLHerne> too many categories of C bugs allow arbitrary code execution



14:06:46  <dP> well, it kinda falls into corrupted save can of bugs



14:08:11  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but corrupted input data should be handled and errored, not crashing



14:08:13  <dP> some broken newgrf info and some pool blew up



14:09:40  <dP> yeah, but I don't recall any particular effort being put into protecting from corrupted saves



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14:32:14  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #10576: Cleanup: Keep spacing saveload versions by groups of five https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10576#pullrequestreview-1347472141



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14:32:44  <dP> openttd doesn't even bother to print a message if configured newgrf is missing :/



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14:34:02  <JGR> You should get a message in the console if a GRF is missing on load?



14:34:31  <dP> on save yes, but on config no



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15:02:51  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #10576: Cleanup: Keep spacing saveload versions by groups of five https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10576#issuecomment-1475285024



15:02:59  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler merged pull request #10576: Cleanup: Keep spacing saveload versions by groups of five https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10576



15:06:34  <Rubidium> hmm... I thought I had to update #10570, but apparantly I already added the extra line without knowing it was sort-of-required



15:22:21  <petern> Heh, there's no real need to tbh.



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15:48:42  <TonyPixel> which setting enables showing road-/tracktypes without available vehicles?



15:49:44  <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1087040216323346632/image.png



15:49:44  <andythenorth> goes it a setting for default 2nd company colour? 🙂



15:51:22  <TonyPixel> Oh nvm, forgot intro date



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16:07:43  <Xarick> i'm trying really hard to make my AI build 5000 trains...



16:08:23  <Xarick> most favourable conditions, super flat map, no industries, only towns that dont grow roads



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16:08:56  <Xarick> but as the years progress, faster engines come out, meaning less trains needed on older routes, more time pathfinding on newer routes



16:09:12  <Xarick> I just can't get 5000



16:09:25  <petern> But why



16:09:49  <Xarick> I like to test the limits



16:10:08  <andythenorth> can AIs buy each other?



16:10:13  <andythenorth> can GS start companies?



16:10:44  <andythenorth> hmm...what if 16 instances of the same AI collaborated



16:10:50  <petern> Can chatgpt be an openttd ai?



16:10:57  <andythenorth> I'll see



16:11:18  <petern> Company limit is 15 so...



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16:12:15  <EmperorJake> andythenorth: Good idea, be nice to have more colour randomisation by default, maybe also change the default company colour to choose from more than just 5 colours for the first company



16:15:49  <andythenorth> chatGPT had a go, but it doesn't really understand NoAI https://gist.githubusercontent.com/andythenorth/65e21a8024acd3bf52b87eb3e3942a3e/raw/21480d55b4163d28f7b6d7dbc587fe78a0a3537b/gistfile1.txt



16:16:26  <andythenorth> might be interesting to give it a feed from Admin port, with key metadata and see what it does



16:16:59  <andythenorth> write a small lib to provision metadata, then ask it "what is your next move" and do a mechanical turk thing



16:17:07  <andythenorth> like that thing on reddit currently



16:17:18  <andythenorth> https://www.reddit.com/r/openttd/comments/11vnl8s/top_comment_decides_what_happens_to_the_map_day_4/



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18:34:49  <Xarick> I miss my cats! https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SDtxlFAQswc



18:35:05  <Xarick> oh gosh



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19:37:37  <Xarick> ChooChoo is very close to being the first AI to ever reach 5000 trains, let's hope it can make it



19:38:29  <Xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1087097784282398910/Unnamed_1968-07-21.png



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21:54:44  <Xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1087132071765479574/Unnamed_1970-12-27.png



21:54:44  <Xarick> I'm so happy for ChooChoo!



21:55:35  <Xarick> 5000 trains!



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22:18:32  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/BaNaNaS] frosch123 opened pull request #132: Change: migrate OpenTTD user hpfx to GitHub user primer97 https://github.com/OpenTTD/BaNaNaS/pull/132



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23:24:03  <dP> I suddenly understood why `content download all` was so popular ....



23:27:03  <JGR> It's much easier to get NewGRF stuff sorted out locally and then just upload to your remote server



23:28:15  <dP> I don't really want to be hunting and copying newgrfs every time I change the config



23:30:19  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg commented on pull request #10575: RFC: Change: Vehicle service uses reliability threshold, not time interval https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10575#issuecomment-1475434200



23:31:36  <JGR> It should be fairly trivial to automate uploading everything that via rsync



23:34:38  <JGR> Hyperbole levels are off the scale in Zorg land, I see 😛



23:35:02  <dP> I don't want to copy all the junk I have to the server either



23:36:41  <dP> And I don't like how openttd silently starts a broken game anyway



23:37:18  <dP> So rn I'm trying to rewrite config loading logic to just auto-dowload everything it's missing



23:37:23  <dP> and stop the game if it fails



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23:46:00  <TallTyler> “Total destruction of the game” would be impressive, I’d have to put that on my résumé



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23:47:21  <TallTyler> The most likely way forward is to close that PR and add real-time units to the existing system. It’s not hard, just annoying and makes a complex feature even harder to maintain in the future



23:49:16  <dP> TallTyler: arguably it's already there :p



23:49:28  <dP> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1087160947472355428/file.png



23:50:43  <JGR> Looks like a trivial ban decision, problem solved?



23:51:23  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #10575: RFC: Change: Vehicle service uses reliability threshold, not time interval https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10575#issuecomment-1475438924



23:51:28  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler closed pull request #10575: RFC: Change: Vehicle service uses reliability threshold, not time interval https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10575



23:52:23  <TallTyler> Maybe the object burst setting should be more visible or we should have a Readme for server operators



23:52:37  <dP> average random server doesn't really have active moderators to ban ppl



23:52:57  <TallTyler> Setting object burst to 1 would fix this



23:53:21  <dP> would also "fix" other objects like hq :p



23:53:56  <dP> though I guess in hq case burst of 1 is kinda ok



23:55:31  <dP> but, yeah, having a low default may be an ok solution



23:55:51  <dP> though I'll probably just disable land bying altogether



23:57:52  <dP> "Your attempt at buying land was discovered and reported to moderators" 🤣