IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2023-03-18
00:03:58 <dP> fantastic, I can't disable land purchase without disabling HQ placement :/
00:05:35 <dP> not with vanilla settings at least
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00:12:44 <JGR> All commands go through the server, you should be able to apply any policy you want there
00:13:22 <dP> yeah, I just thought I could remove my checks and just use vanilla settings
00:13:25 <dP> nope :p
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07:52:36 <andythenorth[d]> moin
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08:30:58 <petern> it is
08:38:29 <petern> Hmm, I've got a case fan to replace.
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08:42:29 <andythenorth[d]> I am discussing with ChatGPT if it's addictive
08:42:34 <andythenorth[d]> and whether that's a problem
08:44:59 <Eddi|zuHause> last i heard about AI was that they convinced a human to solve a captcha for them by pretending they're blind :p
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08:45:17 <ag> That's weird
08:45:24 <andythenorth[d]> I read that
08:45:45 <andythenorth[d]> it was a set of safety tests for GPT-4, given a specific context
08:45:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the AI has already won.
08:46:25 <andythenorth[d]> it's just hiding?
08:46:25 <Eddi|zuHause> there's no point fighting
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10:29:00 <Xarick> hi
10:29:34 <Xarick> so windows decided to restart in the middle of my sleep, lost all openttd progress, thanks microsoft
10:30:16 <Xarick> stupid windows updates
10:36:56 <JGR> Do you not have auto-saves?
10:43:02 <debdog> "Additionally, [...] management tools provided by Microsoft or others [...] access and process your data from that device, including your interaction data, diagnostic data, and the contents of your communications and files."
10:43:08 <andythenorth[d]>
10:43:22 <debdog> I still don't understand why people still use this crap. does no one read their licence agreement and privacy statement?
10:49:53 <andythenorth[d]> hmm I might be addicted
10:50:24 <andythenorth[d]> ChatGPT is like the first few years of playing OpenTTD. Failure to sleep. And there's always another junction to build.
10:50:44 <JGR> debdog: EULAs are mostly unreadable and unenforcable gibberish, so of course people don't read them
10:51:00 <andythenorth[d]> I had to actually stop with Midjourney, as it actually makes me trip
10:52:33 <andythenorth[d]> if you like Semantle, playing ChatGPT games is like that, but on crack
10:52:53 <andythenorth[d]> semantle is about trying to make reasoned or intuitive leaps into the vector space
10:53:15 <andythenorth[d]> ChatGPT is the same, but it plays back
11:01:09 <andythenorth[d]> I keep getting timed out for over-use
11:01:13 <andythenorth[d]>
11:01:13 <andythenorth[d]> hmm
11:01:34 <andythenorth[d]> that's cheaper than a lot of other games
11:11:24 <Xarick>
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11:14:36 <debdog> JGR: hehe, yah. I was being a tad sarcastic
11:29:48 <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth[d]> I keep getting timed out for over-use <- i was about to make a joke about going "premium" but then i looked at that image
11:30:46 <andythenorth[d]> Pay-2-win
11:33:21 <Eddi|zuHause> am i too discouraging on the forum?
11:35:15 <andythenorth[d]>
11:35:15 <andythenorth[d]> it's not bad
11:35:30 <andythenorth[d]> I gave it the table of locomitives
11:36:30 <andythenorth[d]>
11:36:30 <andythenorth[d]> oh it was going so well 😦
11:37:13 <petern> Eddi|zuHause: Oh?
11:38:15 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth[d]: that's the main problem with current iteration of AI. they're so confidently blasting out wrong information
11:38:34 <Eddi|zuHause> petern: the thread in the suggestions forum suggesting changes to the default vehicles
11:40:03 <andythenorth[d]> I've taught it to make quotes
11:40:05 <andythenorth[d]>
11:40:06 <andythenorth[d]> labour-saving
11:40:13 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth[d]: coincidentally, that's also what's wrong with current iteration of politics
11:40:25 <andythenorth[d]>
11:40:25 <andythenorth[d]> as in, "saves me doing it"
11:41:06 <andythenorth[d]> Can you generate me some python code for Mr. Train comments? They are stored as strings in a simple dict where they is the id for the locmotive.
11:41:25 <andythenorth[d]> Oh wait, this is discord
11:41:27 <andythenorth[d]> lol
11:41:36 <andythenorth[d]> hard to tell the difference TBH
11:41:42 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it works as well :p
11:41:56 <andythenorth[d]> it's about the same, but ChatGPT is faster, and misunderstands less
11:45:55 <petern> So, 10% off Steam Deck... was it any good for OpenTTD? 😄
11:47:11 <andythenorth[d]> It's a nice device, bit faffy
11:47:16 <andythenorth[d]> reminds me of an updated PSP
11:47:36 <andythenorth[d]> Prone to getting into some kind of battery storage "won't boot" mode
12:04:22 <petern> Yeah I guess I probably wouldn't use one.
12:06:53 <andythenorth[d]>
12:06:53 <andythenorth[d]> this is outstanding
12:06:57 <andythenorth[d]> FIRS particularly
12:09:18 <EmperorJake> Finally we know what FIRS stands for
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12:30:11 <Eddi|zuHause> it must be true
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12:33:54 <MnHebi> I see Andy has gone off the deep end
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12:35:19 <Visitor> none
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12:38:14 <glx[d]> That's a weird irc bot
12:58:23 <andythenorth[d]>
12:58:23 <andythenorth[d]> EmperorJake: got it to find you 😛
12:58:34 <andythenorth[d]> simulating discord in chatGPT
12:58:50 <andythenorth[d]> I got it to make up names based on dictionary categories
12:59:03 <petern> What shall I name my pickaxe...
12:59:56 <EmperorJake> andythenorth[d]: Nice, but confidently wrong as usual 😛
13:00:11 <EmperorJake> That's why I'm using it to help me write fiction now
13:01:24 <andythenorth[d]> petern: simon?
13:05:47 <andythenorth[d]>
13:09:59 <andythenorth[d]> well...
13:10:01 <andythenorth[d]>
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13:13:56 <andythenorth[d]> it's absolutely crap at "is it lunch?"
13:13:59 <andythenorth[d]> just won't play
13:16:32 <petern> But is it?
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13:17:28 <petern> I had a diet smoothie thing, mainly cos I at the dentist this morning.
13:18:06 <andythenorth[d]> I am having an orange
13:19:56 <andythenorth[d]> and a cheese
13:20:16 <Eddi|zuHause> orancheese?
13:29:38 <Eddi|zuHause> your chatgpt thing, can it help me improve the performance of transport fever 2 so i can continue playing this game until 2050?
13:31:15 <Eddi|zuHause> the main flaw of this game: the game is improving transport flow, but improving transport flow makes cities grow, which slows down the simulation
13:31:22 <Eddi|zuHause> so the only winning move is not to play
13:35:06 <andythenorth[d]>
13:35:06 <andythenorth[d]> Taught it to play Cheese Shop
13:37:13 <petern> "Taught"
13:37:16 <andythenorth[d]>
13:37:16 <andythenorth[d]> Told it to play both parts
13:37:35 <andythenorth[d]> It started out trying to be factual and helpful
13:37:51 <andythenorth[d]> I like that it tried to rhyme after Gouda
13:40:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i've honestly never heard of that "game" before
13:41:18 <andythenorth[d]>
13:41:25 <andythenorth[d]>
13:44:26 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i've heard of THAT game :p
14:09:43 <andythenorth[d]> chatGPT refuses to actually play it
14:09:51 <andythenorth[d]> says there are catastrophic real world consequences
14:16:24 <EmperorJake> Corel Wild Board Games flashbacks
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14:55:24 <andythenorth[d]> yes
14:55:30 <andythenorth[d]> I've tricked it into a stuck state
14:55:51 <andythenorth[d]>
14:56:05 <andythenorth[d]> meh it got out of it
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14:58:24 <scrubbles> can you get it to generate variations of newgrf set names like FIRS/unsinkable sam/iron horse?
15:00:05 <andythenorth[d]>
15:00:05 <andythenorth[d]> trying to get it to play games
15:00:12 <andythenorth[d]> it won't stick to the rules
15:02:19 <andythenorth[d]> oh maybe I crashed it
15:02:25 <andythenorth[d]> it's binned off all that chat
15:03:13 <andythenorth[d]> yeah it's quite defensive about being put into a recursive non-responsive loop
15:03:15 <scrubbles> did you get any orange warnings today?
15:03:30 <scrubbles> I've gotten a few orange warnings before when trying to play with chatgpt
15:03:33 <andythenorth[d]> got some 'cannot generate response' warnings
15:08:31 <scrubbles> I wonder if it is possible to get it to write code that procedurally generates pixel art
15:09:12 <scrubbles> if it can do views of a rectangular shaped railway vehicle with a simple roof colour I would consider it a success
15:09:13 <michi_cc[d]> Has ChatGPT done a OTTD release yet?
15:09:51 <scrubbles> there was that attempt of using it to generate the release notes, so it's just a tiny bit on the way there
15:10:35 <andythenorth[d]> it has not
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16:00:58 <glx[d]> but it created a game
16:01:56 <michi_cc[d]> I would press buttons, but there is nothing to press a button on.
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16:18:34 <andythenorth[d]> pleasing game
16:20:48 <andythenorth[d]> hmm it's actually very limited on 3x3
16:20:53 <andythenorth[d]> maybe a bigger grid is better
16:22:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i wonder if it could make a good coding help, like "can you point me to the code dealing with <feature>"
16:23:52 <andythenorth[d]> 6x6 is quite good
16:24:17 <glx[d]> 9x9 is hardcore with negative numbers
16:24:26 <andythenorth[d]> Eddi it was able to learn basic nml syntax from 1 example of item and switch
16:24:56 <andythenorth[d]> it probably has nml in its training data, but it defaults to suggesting some YAGL-ish format when asked for nml
16:25:30 <Eddi|zuHause> well, all coding languages are the same (-ish)
16:31:45 <Xarick> it's weird, listening to the other side <>
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16:53:10 <frosch> well, i guess everyone had their chance: you were talking to andy for years on irc, and a simple "you have reached the limit of 20 answers per day" would have gained you 20$/month
16:53:20 <frosch> maybe you have a second chance with samu
17:03:27 <andythenorth[d]> pay to talk
17:11:05 <dP> play to talk :p
17:15:15 <petern> I think I prefered the Iron Horse spam...
17:19:40 <michi_cc[d]> GPT-4 is supposed to be a lot better at programming. Like that live demo where it made a working website from a napkin sketch.
17:20:45 <Eddi|zuHause> in some cases paying to not talk is the better approach :p
17:20:59 <dP> wonder how many napkin sketches did they train it on...
17:22:27 <Eddi|zuHause> they say that the old president hindenburg was once so confused that he signed a napkin thinking somone gave him some paperwork to sign
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18:42:29 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master
18:42:30 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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18:51:08 <dP> andythenorth[d]: can't you shift firs shore industries one tile inland and allow any shore shape underneath?
18:51:26 <dP> atm it's not very good at placing those on realistic jagged shorelines
18:57:53 <dP>
18:57:53 <dP> also, missing foundation there in transparent mode
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19:33:45 <Boxofscrap51> BRO
19:33:45 <Boxofscrap51> FRЕЕ GIFТ DISСОRD NIТRO -
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20:25:24 <Eddi|zuHause> are we "important" enough now to attract random spammers?
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20:42:52 <Olionkey> Well the discord was recenlty hit with something like a mini raid if you want to call it that
20:43:27 <Olionkey> where we had like 200 people join over 2 days. but they were mainly bot accounts and just dming people links to adult content games and dating sites
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22:20:18 <andythenorth[d]> dP: Maybe. I’m open to ideas on those
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22:37:49 <dP> actually, just allowing land to extend into the two tiles in the middle would increase possible placements without any visual change whatsoever
22:37:58 <dP>
22:38:08 <dP> as those are covered anyway
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23:11:49 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler opened pull request #10575: RFC: Change: Vehicle service uses reliability threshold, not time interval
23:25:44 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on pull request #10575: RFC: Change: Vehicle service uses reliability threshold, not time interval
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