IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2022-11-28
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05:59:54 <TrueBrain> Hmm .. seems we now survive IRC weirdness :p
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07:40:28 <andythenorth> "I didn't notice any"
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08:08:48 <LordAro> well, there's discord_user 89adaf5 , but i assume that's TB testing something
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09:27:27 <dwfreed> TrueBrain: "server closed connection" is shedding, ie server-side terminating connections in order to get people off a server in a controlled fashion that needs to be empty (usually for upgrades or maintenance)
09:28:14 <TrueBrain> And the bridge handled it properly
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10:06:50 <petern> Did you see Google have moved things like maps.google.com to google.com/maps?
10:07:41 <petern> Means that allowing access to your location gives broader access to different things now.
10:08:02 <LordAro> i don't think that's a new thing
10:08:17 <petern> Probably not. I'm slow 😄
10:09:03 <LordAro> but i hadn't considered that as a possible reasoning
10:10:18 <petern> TBF Google is embedded and referenced in enough things that they probably already have that anyway...
10:11:26 <LordAro> not a great situation to be in though
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12:36:13 <LordAro> how did you miss that, petern? :p
12:37:15 <petern> I didn't, it's deliberate.
12:38:59 <petern> The choice was not to move its position, the choice was to centre sprites within their buttons, which was kinda done before (but in a different way) since we introduced the resizing GUI.
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12:41:08 <petern> When I first started the variable scaling patch set I got hung up on how to position those icons properly, as the icons themselves do not have consistent sizing -- they originally relied on being drawn in the top-left of each button, but that doesn't work when the button is resized.
12:43:49 <LordAro> it'd be useful to say why it's intentional (the above), and why "for now"
12:44:28 <LordAro> it does look a bit odd
12:46:47 <LordAro> i'm not sure i've ever noticed that toolbar does still have spacing between the button groups
12:50:26 <petern> Expanded my comment somewhat.
12:51:08 <petern> Yeah the spacing has been reduced though, probably because when the ffwd button was added it was still fixed at 640 pixels wide.
12:51:36 <petern> Now that I see that I'm tempted to increase it where possible 😄
12:51:53 <LordAro> i suppose the solution would be adding some sort of "bottom centre" alignment mode?
12:52:28 <petern> What it needs is something to tell OpenTTD that that icon whould be drawn at the top-left of a centred 20x20 box within the button.
12:53:03 <petern> Which is not that hard, but will break anything that deliberately makes the icons bigger.
12:54:08 <petern> Another issue is that at some point we decided that ALL buttons would move their contents 1 pixel down and right when pressed, so the button size is also larger to accommodate that too.
12:54:39 <petern> Variable-scaling even extends that by ensuring that moving it by 1x1 pixel is scaled up.
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13:05:52 <LordAro> that one's probably fair
13:06:14 <petern> LIteral translations without abbreviations 😄
13:07:01 <petern> Still, that one is not me, and he already listed the reason.
13:24:16 <petern> Works great until you add BigGUI 😄
13:24:46 <glx[d]> Include Z/A in the ban list ;
13:25:53 <petern> That is the original position of the icon. It's not even on the same base-line anyway, see.
13:26:47 <petern> I guess we could determine the height of the largest sprite and use that as the square. It might even work.
13:27:26 <petern> (Not width because sub-toolbars have wider station/bridge icons.
13:27:57 <petern> IIRC it was the buoy icon that already got redone due to the offsets.
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14:20:55 <petern> Nah, my OpenGFX semaphore signals don't look like that.
14:21:16 <Pruple> depends on driving side? different signals for left and right I think.
14:22:52 <Pruple> get these ones if I switch driving side
14:23:21 <petern> That scenery does not look like OpenGFX to me.
14:25:52 <petern> Have you got a static grf configured?
14:25:59 <petern> Cos I can't get those signals.
14:26:48 <Pruple> rvs on left, setting show signals: on the driving side?
14:27:08 <Pruple> or just "on the left", I guess
14:27:49 <petern> They change based on the ROAD driving side, not the SIGNAL side. Well done OpenGFX.
14:28:25 <petern> They also don't change if you change that setting mid-game.
14:28:43 <Pruple> it probably predates being able to set the signal side independently? I didn't know you could independently configure the signal side 🙂
14:29:29 <JGR> The latter is not usefully exposed to GRFs, so they can't use it
14:29:49 <Pruple> it's a base set feature though
14:30:07 <Pruple> signals changing with driving side was in TTDP, might even have been in TTD
14:31:15 <JGR> GRFs can only detect whether it is set to "on the driving side" or not
14:31:28 <JGR> Not what the actual signal side is
14:31:38 <petern> That setting predates us changing from _patches to _settings. Probably over 15 years old...
14:32:10 <petern> But someone on there did mention the lack of that setting just the other day...
14:39:05 <petern> Remember when it was Black Friday, and then they added Cyber Monday?
14:39:10 <petern> Now it's like Cyber Week...
14:48:19 <petern> Anyway, fixed the signal sprite issue, it has custom alignment code which I broke 😄
15:35:06 <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't cyber monday always a full week?
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18:46:00 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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20:21:58 <JustANortherner> petern: Remember when it wasn't even Black Friday?
20:22:35 <petern> It was a thing that only happen in stores in the US...
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21:05:16 <petern> Maybe I can just break zbase/biggui and not give a damn.
21:05:47 <petern> Nobody uses a/zBase out of choice, right?
21:10:30 <TallTyler> All of Reddit seems to
21:11:20 <TallTyler> Because it makes OpenTTD look “modern” which actually means “like a mid-2000s game which did not age well”
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21:30:29 <petern> michi_cc[d]: Now add all the other icons that are not right...
21:40:34 <michi_cc[d]> For the main toolbar at least this is the only one I would consider as "looking wrong", other stuff that might be one pixel off is far less visible.
21:46:49 <petern> Sprite 738 is the other main one.
21:47:15 <petern> There's a lot that are 1 or 2 pixels short in either direction.
21:47:24 <petern> And of course the 4 climate buttons
21:50:11 <petern> (Those buttons have been broken ever since the gui sized to fit)
21:51:57 <andythenorth> petern: they're already broken
21:52:06 <andythenorth> and the userbase clearly have no taste, so eh
21:52:08 <andythenorth> they won't notice
21:52:11 <petern> I can break them more 🙂
21:52:18 * andythenorth might be patronising, can't judge
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21:53:43 <petern> (Also the question mark icon has moved, but it's actually better now...)
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22:00:19 <petern> The trees icon is meant to be bottom-right aligned too (along with sprite 738)
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22:06:53 <petern> andythenorth: This is fine
22:10:49 <petern> I did actually wonder about creating a new NewGRF action that would be similar to action 0A but would copy the original sprite and adjust the padding & size. But it's easier to just rip off the original sprites.
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22:44:25 <michi_cc[d]> petern: Added 738 and 742.
22:46:00 <petern> I tried reverting the change, but there are a load of places where it is worse, hah 🙂
22:55:20 <andythenorth> actually more like
22:55:46 <petern> Good 32bpp ez base set when?
22:57:04 <Pruple> notbase sets are better... don't have to provide graphics for things you don't care about, can use newgrf features 🙂
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22:59:19 <Pruple> run opengfx through an upscaler, brighten up the colours, job done.
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23:03:53 <petern> Nothing can brighten OpenGFX.
23:18:11 <Pruple> make it 32bpp and up the contrast 😛
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