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09:54:20 <Samu> is there a way to get the number of vehicles in a group?
09:55:48 <Samu> AIGroup.GetNumEngines doesn't seem to be it
10:06:15 <Samu> there's AIVehicleList_Group
11:28:29 <Samu> help me with english description plz
12:28:02 <Samu> compare 'AIVehicleList_Group(group_id).Count()' versus 'AIGroup.GetNumVehicles(group_id)' in terms of performance degradation
12:31:35 <Samu> one iterates all groups, the other iterates all vehicles
12:32:02 <Samu> in normal usage, there's less groups than vehicles
12:37:53 <glx> Samu: don't forget `AIGroup.GetNumVehicles(group_id)` must be enclosed in an engine loop to achieve the same result
12:39:20 <glx> but my guess is AIGroup should iterate way less items than AIVehicleList_Group
12:41:39 <glx> engine count per group is cached
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12:48:05 <Samu> just testing now, it's faster!
12:48:17 <Samu> peak of 11 ms vs peak of 32 ms
12:49:45 <Samu> not sure how many groups there are
12:49:52 <Samu> but there's 10k vehicles atm
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12:51:27 <Samu> 239 road routes + 1362 water routes, so that's about 1500 groups
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12:54:20 <glx> I was thinking of GetGroupNumEngines
12:54:55 <glx> anyway counts are cached in groups (because GUI)
12:56:02 <Samu> if i actually need to know which vehicles are in a group then... i can only resort to using AIVehicleList_Group :(
12:57:05 <Samu> it doesn't cache the actual vehicles that are in the group, just a counter
12:57:50 <glx> oh and the GetGroupNum functions include sub groups
12:58:47 <Samu> I see, but for my case, I'm fine
12:59:04 <glx> while ScriptVehicleList_Group() doesn't
13:07:51 <Samu> im not sure if group stuff goes into GS
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13:28:15 <Samu> there's no easy way to tell this
13:28:56 <Samu> im under the impression this won't be available for GS'es
13:44:41 <glx> in source you can check the @api marker in function comments
13:59:30 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick opened pull request #9462: Add: [AI] Get the number of vehicles in a given group https://git.io/JRJxr
13:59:58 <Samu> oh, i didnt create a ... regression test thing, is it needed?
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14:04:45 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick updated pull request #9462: Add: [AI] Get the number of vehicles in a given group https://git.io/JRJxr
14:08:00 <Samu> AIGroup.GetNumVehicles(m_sentToDepotRoadGroup[1], AIVehicle.VT_ROAD);
14:10:38 <Samu> AIVehicleList_Group(m_sentToDepotRoadGroup[1]).Count();
14:11:33 <Samu> holy crap, it's horrible
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14:40:59 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] ZvikaZ opened issue #229: Not enough random bits for the town name generation (40 needed, 32 available) https://git.io/JRUIc
14:42:33 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne commented on issue #229: Not enough random bits for the town name generation (40 needed, 32 available) https://git.io/JRUIc
14:48:11 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] ZvikaZ commented on issue #229: Not enough random bits for the town name generation (40 needed, 32 available) https://git.io/JRUIc
14:48:40 <LordAro> we really should do a new nml release
14:48:44 <LordAro> what was holding it up?
14:50:31 <glx> #224 could go into it too, and I need to check #228
14:50:55 <FLHerne> There's also the thing about opt warnings being annoying and not disableable
14:51:05 <FLHerne> unless I missed a fix for that
14:51:17 <FLHerne> (without -q suppressing *all* warnings)
14:52:54 <glx> indeed it follows what the doc says
14:54:26 <glx> anyway the warnings are just annoying ;)
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16:14:55 <Samu> all that remains atm is dealing with AIVehicleList_Station for aircraft
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16:16:16 <Samu> I don't even know where to start
16:16:36 <Samu> the aircraft portion of the code is coded very different than that or road and ship
16:17:31 <Samu> in the long run, what i need is a re-write of it
16:19:48 <Samu> I got myself into a mess
16:41:08 <TrueBrain> I blame andythenorth
16:43:01 <TrueBrain> complete and utter lack of motivation
16:43:14 <TrueBrain> IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT
16:43:22 <TrueBrain> just easier to blame someone else
16:50:03 <andythenorth> it's holiday time
16:50:10 * andythenorth not producing anything
16:50:18 <TrueBrain> are you going to add stuff to TrueGRF now?
16:50:40 <andythenorth> I am testing how to play solitaire
17:02:13 <andythenorth> I could do some grf
17:02:36 <andythenorth> but the grf I want to do involves working around the spec, not with it :P
17:02:44 <andythenorth> so it's not interesting today
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17:04:17 <TrueBrain> no no, not make stuff with .. add stuff to :P
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17:45:47 <Timberwolf> I wonder what the top 5/10 OpenTTD myths are.
17:46:02 <Timberwolf> "Path signals use more CPU than block signals" has to be a contender.
17:46:46 <TrueBrain> glx: much better :D just the function names could use some love ;) this will confuse someone :p
17:47:22 <glx> the hardest part was to find where to plug in the compiler
17:48:24 <glx> and it also fix the "events are pushed to dead scripts" issue
17:52:56 <andythenorth> "goods grow towns"
17:55:49 <Timberwolf> Hah. That one is a fun one, I thought that they did for many years.
17:56:01 <Timberwolf> Confusing because the act of unloading cargo does of course grow the town.
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18:33:47 <nielsm> I'm not sure why, but I had the idea for the longest time that oil rig passengers could only be served by heli and oil rig oil only by ship (the latter only until I discovered filling in the sea)
18:36:28 <FLHerne> I think there's an option for that
18:36:55 <Timberwolf> I have fond memories of one of our multiplayer UK map games, in which the North Sea received a land reclamation project that would make the Netherlands go, "hang on, isn't that a bit ambitious?"
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18:37:39 <FLHerne> "Company stations can serve industries with attached neutral stations"
18:37:46 <FLHerne> I think it's quite recent though
18:38:07 <FLHerne> but it makes filling in the sea not work
18:38:21 <Timberwolf> Oh yes, that's... a 1.11 change or something, isn't it?
18:40:02 <Timberwolf> I miss my world of remote oil rigs, nothing around but sea and a massive 6-track roll-on, roll-off train station.
18:41:08 <FLHerne> It's still on by default
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18:50:23 <nielsm> yeah that option was made specifically to nerf oil rigs a bit
18:58:26 * andythenorth plays more solitaire
18:58:30 <andythenorth> I think I played enough
19:00:13 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
19:03:49 <andythenorth> ok naming things is hard
19:04:04 <andythenorth> I'm going to make it so towns only do grow if certain cargos are delivered
19:04:21 <andythenorth> and also industries might increase production if the town is happy
19:04:45 <andythenorth> how do I explain town 'happiness'
19:05:03 <andythenorth> without totally embedding capitalist consumer materialism? :P
19:08:49 <andythenorth> 'town satisfaction'?
19:08:52 <andythenorth> 'town happiness'?
19:08:59 <andythenorth> 'town prosperity'?
19:09:57 <Timberwolf> This was my problem with the more advanced settings in Villages Is Villages.
19:10:00 <Samu> i have a function sized 500 lines :(
19:10:18 <Timberwolf> It is impossible to make a video game economic model without also making some kind of political statement.
19:10:46 <andythenorth> I already reworked FIRS to not make lolz of Belgian colonialism :P
19:11:09 <andythenorth> there are parts of the playerbase that would see it as an aspiration, not a warning :P
19:13:41 <andythenorth> Prospects for long-term growth at this industry: depends on town prosperity. See the Newspaper Office industry in this town for details.
19:14:00 <andythenorth> 'prospects' probably confuses players
19:14:31 <andythenorth> 'outlook' ? 'potential'?
19:15:04 <andythenorth> it's very complicated :(
19:15:19 <andythenorth> industry A will increase production if town is happy
19:15:26 <andythenorth> town is made happy by delivering cargo to industry B
19:15:42 <andythenorth> the only way to find out if the town is happy is to check industry C
19:16:45 <andythenorth> there isn't room in the industry window to explain this at industry A
19:16:56 <andythenorth> and grf can't put any text in town window
19:17:16 <andythenorth> did I ever mention that the design of the newgrf economy sucks? :P
19:17:46 <andythenorth> anyone looking from the outside would just think it was thrown together with no plan, no care, no real idea ;)
19:22:07 <andythenorth> I blame TrueBrain
19:22:55 <andythenorth> hmm have I got town name in scope in text callbacks?
20:07:35 <andythenorth> hmm no town name var :o
20:08:29 <andythenorth> hmm 84? Town name (text ID)
20:08:39 <andythenorth> or 86? Town name parts (for randomly-generated names), bitcoded (no exact information yet)
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