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00:00:05 <TrueBrain> fixed <p> issue I found
00:00:08 <TrueBrain> mostly CSS now, it seems
00:01:51 <TrueBrain> we will also have to rewrite all the #<anchor> links
00:01:58 <TrueBrain> as I switched to slugify, instead of what-ever it is that mediawiki does
00:02:00 <TrueBrain> but we can do that post
00:03:04 <frosch12> ah, one of the templates that need manual fixing :)
00:04:17 <TrueBrain> yeah, it got en/ twice ..
00:04:49 <frosch12> TrueBrain: when you create the default link text, it probably looks better if you only use the last path component: [[en/foo/bar]] -> <a>bar</a>
00:05:29 <TrueBrain> I already fixed that on most places I could find
00:06:54 <frosch12> ah, never mind. i misread that link
00:07:23 <TrueBrain> I am sure I missed some places to fix the title, so let me know if you find them :D
00:08:09 <frosch12> i check for { in some places, but apparently not in all :)
00:08:32 <TrueBrain> mostly surprised as there is no wikilink in sight
00:09:19 <TrueBrain> I think tomorrow I will first create a linter, that just tells us which pages have broken links
00:09:22 <frosch12> the parameters to {{en/Tab on}} are page names
00:09:26 <TrueBrain> might be useful to see if we missed some odds and ends
00:09:37 <TrueBrain> ah .. and also in the one calling this template
00:09:45 <frosch12> but in other places i check whether the names are param themself, which i forgot here
00:09:45 <TrueBrain> pretty sure we will have more of these ..
00:10:14 <TrueBrain> so, CSS + Linter + making this available to you too :)
00:10:18 <TrueBrain> sounds like a sane todo list :)
00:10:30 <frosch12> + get unbanned from irc somehow :p
00:10:48 <TrueBrain> from all the shit I have said this week, your UTF got you banned
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00:12:01 <TrueBrain> whoho, fixed another typo :D
00:12:10 <TrueBrain> so many changes to the wiki lately
00:12:20 <TrueBrain> I keep finding errors in user-input .. :P
00:12:51 <TrueBrain> I don't understand translators noticed it, and fixed it .. IN THEIR translation only :P
00:13:39 <TrueBrain> "Cannot place signals on a bridge or inside a tunnel. But a patch by HackaLittleBit can simulate signals being placed automatically."
00:14:11 <TrueBrain> not sure that has a place on a wiki :)
00:16:32 <TrueBrain> I like the layout of the wiki this way btw :D
00:19:23 <TrueBrain> haha, I was wondering why a page didn't render with the export, but does on the normal wiki .. a table with {{wikitable}} .. but wrong casing, so it inserts a link, as that is what mediawiki does .. and a link in that location is illegal :D
00:21:17 <TrueBrain> and on none of them is that page linked from
00:22:24 <frosch12> you have a lot of \n or <br> in those tocs
00:22:41 <TrueBrain> the CSS is a bit off :P
00:22:42 <frosch12> oh, is that your <p> issue, you keep talking?
00:23:02 <TrueBrain> it is the gollum CSS
00:23:12 <TrueBrain> if you disable the margin of the dl dd properties, it looks a lot better
00:23:47 <TrueBrain> I have to do the CSS from scratch, I think
00:23:52 <TrueBrain> with just cheating from gollum and mediawiki
00:23:58 <TrueBrain> I think first I make a page around the content
00:24:03 <TrueBrain> but not sure how we want it
00:24:14 <TrueBrain> on the bottom categories
00:24:19 <TrueBrain> in the top bar translations
00:24:26 <TrueBrain> login/logout/edit on top
00:24:39 <TrueBrain> do we want a menu on the left?
00:24:44 <TrueBrain> or just a "Main Page" on the top?
00:25:00 <TrueBrain> I am not going to do stuff like "Random page", as that is just bullshit
00:25:06 <TrueBrain> Toolbox is also not super useful
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00:25:39 <TrueBrain> meh; I will make something stupid simple; that will trigger either L or A sufficient, most likely
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00:26:17 <TrueBrain> but first, I am going to catch some ZZzzzzzzzzs
00:27:23 <frosch12> i would like the directory structure on the left
00:27:33 <frosch12> then we can get rid off a lot of those toc template
00:27:54 <frosch12> though it would be sorted alphabetical, instead of manual
00:28:48 <TrueBrain> hopefully people won't "fix" the sorting by z_ prefixes etc :P
00:28:52 <frosch12> also, which search engine do we want to use? duckduck?
00:29:16 <TrueBrain> happy you don't suggest doing that ourself :D
00:30:34 <TrueBrain> means it first needs to be indexed, ofc
00:30:51 <frosch12> time will solve that :)
00:30:59 <TrueBrain> they have nice iframe support
00:31:05 <TrueBrain> means we have to set the right security headers, but that will be fine
00:31:22 <TrueBrain> it just looks a bit ugly, but meh, who cares
00:31:57 <TrueBrain> not the best looking
00:32:13 <TrueBrain> oops, a bit too much copy/paste
00:33:00 <TrueBrain> reminds me, I should install Firefox ...
00:33:24 <TrueBrain> bit dòne with Google stuff honestly :)
00:33:34 <frosch12> oh, i thought you wanted it for testing
00:33:49 <TrueBrain> well, that too, I guess
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09:28:48 * andythenorth wonders what statues do
09:29:57 <andythenorth> increases station ratings :o
09:31:24 <andythenorth> lol, the station ratings calculation
09:31:32 <andythenorth> I never really engaged with it
09:31:35 <andythenorth> it is really stupid?
09:39:24 <TrueBrain> nah, it is awesome :D
09:39:33 <TrueBrain> hmm .. do I put the normal OpenTTD web-header on top of the wiki or not? :D
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09:48:08 <TrueBrain> it might work, but it is also a lot of space it takes
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10:42:44 <FLHerne> andythenorth: tbh, although the way it's calculated is probably stupid, I find the actual results to be fairly reasonable
10:43:29 <FLHerne> (although bulk cargoes are probably too sensitive to it -- coal doesn't mind sitting in a pile for weeks)
10:43:49 <andythenorth> I need to set up autoreplace to every 6 months
10:43:53 <andythenorth> that's kind of lolz
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11:11:52 <andythenorth> omfg it just is better isn't it
11:12:43 <TrueBrain> some pages people have done things .....
11:12:59 <TrueBrain> they didn't add a float to the right thingy, it seems
11:14:11 <TrueBrain> I like the font, font-size and line-height .. width seems fine
11:14:14 <TrueBrain> most menus are fine
11:14:29 <TrueBrain> let's hope that someone with knowledge of CSS comes along and makes it better than fine
11:14:42 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison opened issue #8332: Null pointer dereference in group window when vehicle/group dragging https://git.io/JTrzT
11:15:37 <andythenorth> I might look later this year
11:15:42 <andythenorth> if nobody else does it first
11:17:02 <TrueBrain> you already know the answer to that, but that is fine :)
11:20:49 <andythenorth> I just tried to pull a broken lightning plug out of an iPad
11:21:20 <andythenorth> I don't know an iPad battery rating, but it gave a reasonable shock
11:21:28 <andythenorth> and my thumb is tingling
11:28:26 <TrueBrain> right, now added a nice anchor indication per title :)
11:31:53 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #8332: Null pointer dereference in group window when vehicle/group dragging https://git.io/JTrzT
11:34:24 <andythenorth> for breaking the wire?
11:34:47 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like an awesome idea
11:36:15 <TrueBrain> pre-blocks don't wrap, funny
11:37:32 <TrueBrain> in a textarea-block it goes
11:39:52 <TrueBrain> okay ... now lets see how to add translations to the mix
11:39:57 <TrueBrain> a banner on top? On the side?
11:43:18 <TrueBrain> I am shocked, it even reads good on mobile :o
11:43:40 <TrueBrain> well, not everything; but a lot does :P
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12:07:50 <frosch123> TrueBrain: looks awesome :)
12:08:56 <frosch123> last night i concluded that most "directories" have some kind of "main page", that should be shown when you only enter the directory in the url
12:09:04 <TrueBrain> fixed the "View Source" :P
12:09:08 <frosch123> should i name those pages "Main Page.mediawiki"? better names?
12:09:27 <TrueBrain> (well, you have to reload first :P)
12:09:40 <TrueBrain> hmm ... that sounds like a good idea
12:09:40 <frosch123> but funny how you know it's me :p
12:09:54 <TrueBrain> I don't really; was just an educated guess :P
12:10:15 <TrueBrain> having a Main Page as "index" sounds fine by me
12:10:25 <TrueBrain> I am now working on the language bar .. I think this is a nice place where you see it now
12:10:30 <frosch123> the double scroll bar though
12:11:04 <frosch123> if source view is too high
12:11:13 <frosch123> so you can scroll inside the source view (fine)
12:11:14 <TrueBrain> yeah, you cannot make a textarea "100%" it seems
12:11:18 <frosch123> but you can also scroll the whole page
12:11:37 <TrueBrain> btw, those main templates are mediawiki pages :P
12:11:42 <TrueBrain> I needed a template-engine :D
12:12:27 <frosch123> what? you implemented the ottd page layout in mediawiki? :p
12:13:04 <TrueBrain> btw, only for english it needs to be "Main Page", I guess; all other languages will use the translate system
12:13:45 <frosch123> how should that work? how will you know what the main page of a translation is then?
12:14:07 <TrueBrain> via the translation system :)
12:15:02 <frosch123> sounds like magic :) still no idea how it would work, but i'll happily watch for the surprise
12:15:24 <TrueBrain> I just keep in memory for every folder what the "main page" is
12:15:42 <TrueBrain> if a translation doesn't have one .. well, we will have to see what to show in those cases
12:15:51 <TrueBrain> not sure where to leave this folder thingy btw ..
12:16:41 <frosch123> Maks Github the 1st :)
12:17:09 <TrueBrain> I do not understand why there is so much visual space between the flag and the text
12:18:23 <frosch123> maybe <br> is the wrong thing to do. css seems to put everything into <ul>
12:18:28 <TrueBrain> look at that, it works for the main page :D
12:18:45 <TrueBrain> hmm, I now just what mediawiki used, but I like your idea more tbh
12:18:53 <TrueBrain> btw, that language text is a [[ ]] :D
12:18:59 <TrueBrain> and that is why it is unlinked :P
12:20:28 <TrueBrain> there we go, ul/li :)
12:21:10 <TrueBrain> now to generate that for every page somehow .. hmmmmm
12:32:24 <TrueBrain> awh, you cannot color all utf-8 icons
12:44:20 <TrueBrain> takes 2 seconds to build up the translation matrix .. that is not bad .. that can be done on startup tbh
12:53:22 <TrueBrain> now english up front
12:53:47 <TrueBrain> it is really in-your-face .. I don't like it
12:54:28 <andythenorth> always lunch first
12:56:57 <frosch123> is it possible to have those languages in a combobox?
12:59:05 <TrueBrain> sure, but that would make it a lot less visible
12:59:11 <TrueBrain> as in, I think that would make it near useless
12:59:29 <TrueBrain> maybe on the right side, from top to bottom
13:08:33 <andythenorth> it's usually "[flag] English | Change Language" ?
13:08:38 <andythenorth> seems convention
13:09:42 <TrueBrain> But you lose visibility if your page is translated or not
13:09:53 <TrueBrain> That only works if all pages are translated
13:11:47 <frosch123> oh, just noticed that the images are now properly transparent. that failed in gollum :)
13:13:53 <TrueBrain> Yeah ... much better not? :D
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13:36:42 <TrueBrain> what I have been thinking, we can do that you select the language you want the wiki in, and it renders English pages if it doesn't have that language
13:37:03 <TrueBrain> it could also mean you don't have to translate links, for example . .we can just replace them with the language you want
13:37:13 <TrueBrain> downside ... it would make the website a lot more dynamic .. and static is better :P
13:40:04 <frosch123> i think we should not tie the translations too strong together
13:40:35 <TrueBrain> I think that is the right call :)
13:40:37 <frosch123> that makes merging pages very hard, when one english page vanishes, and the translations remain
13:40:58 <frosch123> there are also a lot of pages, which do not exist in english
13:41:54 <frosch123> in the end, the translators have to sort out the mess in their translation. we can't do that :)
13:42:36 <TrueBrain> so where are we going to put it .. hmm
13:43:01 <TrueBrain> for most part it looks fine where it is now .. it is just if there are MANY languages it becomes annoying :D
13:43:16 <TrueBrain> anyway, all translations now too have a translation bar
13:44:26 <TrueBrain> well, I think I am going to leave it like this for now
13:44:43 <TrueBrain> right ... next up, Categories .. that will be interesting :D
13:53:36 <frosch123> ugh... redirects.... i lost counting how often i adjusted that regex for even more insane variants
13:54:40 <TrueBrain> yeah ..... I feel you :(
13:54:50 <TrueBrain> I also love how escaping went wrong on our wiki
13:54:56 <TrueBrain> as in .. sometimes it is just an UTF-8 char
13:55:02 <TrueBrain> sometimes it is escaped
13:55:05 <TrueBrain> sometimes it is .. something else
13:55:18 <TrueBrain> is a wide variety of shit :P
13:56:00 <TrueBrain> seems to be REALLY difficult :P
13:56:52 <TrueBrain> so categories still at the bottom, I guess?
13:59:24 <frosch123> fixed redirects and capitalisation
13:59:35 <frosch123> renamed a lot of pages to "Main Page" for their directory
13:59:47 <frosch123> removed the /Main/ directory, and moved those pages one level up
13:59:57 <frosch123> so main main page is now en/Main Page
14:00:55 <frosch123> TrueBrain: categories at the bottom is fine. makes them similar as before
14:01:11 <frosch123> but i think categorie are similar to those toc templates. if we have a file tree, we can get rid of most
14:02:05 <frosch123> the link colors are inverted now?
14:02:51 <frosch123> valid links are now orange instead of blue (i guess ottd style), dead links are grey instead of red (really invisible)
14:03:05 <frosch123> i guess i just did not notice earlier :p
14:03:05 <TrueBrain> I do not see how that is inverted :P
14:03:13 <TrueBrain> but yes, orange because of our normal style
14:03:21 <TrueBrain> grey because I hated the red, but haven't found a correct color
14:03:30 <TrueBrain> and purple because ... similar reasons
14:03:40 <TrueBrain> I am open for suggestions :)
14:03:53 <frosch123> well, i said "inverted" because the first dead link was on orange background, so the grey looked blueish
14:04:14 <TrueBrain> hmm, a template is leaking through "40px" .. lets see what that is aobut
14:05:08 <TrueBrain> there are still 509 "Image:" links :)
14:05:11 <TrueBrain> I do not support those :P
14:05:27 <frosch123> TrueBrain: oh, i also readded images which only differ in case. it made no sense to delete/redirect them
14:05:59 <frosch123> the Image: links should be inside templates only
14:06:11 <TrueBrain> Page/es/Manual/Puentes.mediawiki
14:06:15 <frosch123> as in "Image:{{{1}}}"
14:06:17 <TrueBrain> doesn't seem to be a template :P
14:06:27 <TrueBrain> Page/es/Manual/Puentes.mediawiki:[[Image:Ottdbridge9.png|none|frame|Not really useful, but...]]
14:07:07 <TrueBrain> templates have them too, yes, in the way you describe :)
14:07:11 <frosch123> it also has an underscore...
14:07:15 <frosch123> something went wrong there :)
14:07:35 <frosch123> TrueBrain: templates will need manual fixing :)
14:07:43 <TrueBrain> just sed it, I would say
14:07:49 <TrueBrain> it is very unlike "Image:" is valid :P
14:08:43 <TrueBrain> I can also implement "Image:", but that only allows people to still do it wrong tbh :P
14:08:57 <frosch123> TrueBrain: lol, the Puentes example is inside a <!-- --> comment
14:09:05 <frosch123> wikitextparser skips those, so i do not convert :)
14:09:14 <TrueBrain> I just did a "grep" :P
14:09:32 <frosch123> okay, i can add a stupid Image: -> File: sed :)
14:09:34 <TrueBrain> just sed all the files for Image: -> File: I would say, just to get all those pesky Image: away :P
14:09:46 <TrueBrain> it is the only one which is an "issue" :P
14:10:14 <TrueBrain> okay ... do we want categories at all, given the folder structure?
14:10:20 <TrueBrain> or do we just drop it?
14:11:19 <frosch123> hard to say. i am worried people will create more of those stupid "list" pages...
14:11:33 <frosch123> the scenarios had like 20 list pages, because people did not know about categories
14:12:11 <frosch123> hmm the "Main Page" change looks funny in a lot of places
14:12:20 <frosch123> link texts become weird
14:13:39 <TrueBrain> yeah ... we can make it so "Main Page" it not shown, but the category it belongs in
14:14:52 <frosch123> i gues that is the best option. rest must be fixed manually
14:15:57 <TrueBrain> hmm .. but translations are a bit more difficult for that :D
14:16:26 <frosch123> if we do not show "Main Page" we can also name translations "Main Page"
14:16:51 <frosch123> not sure whether the categories will be translated at some point
14:17:20 <TrueBrain> I think they should
14:17:23 <TrueBrain> but not sure how to support that :D
14:17:40 <frosch123> no mass edits via the gui :)
14:19:01 <frosch123> aw, all pages i wrote down as "broken in gollum" some weeks ago, now work. this is like christmas :)
14:20:20 <frosch123> yes, translators have to fix that
14:21:06 <frosch123> it's good to show the flag twice in that case. so translators see it :)
14:21:20 <TrueBrain> was that intentional?
14:21:49 <TrueBrain> seems to mean "Tutorial" :P
14:22:26 <TrueBrain> anyway, as you can see there now, when-ever a page links to what would have been in english the "Main Page", the folder name is used
14:22:39 <frosch123> well, "intentional" :p i am aware that that happens in translations. but since i do not know translations :)
14:22:40 <TrueBrain> so you shouldn't see anywhere "Main Page" anymore, neither on any of the translations
14:23:03 <frosch123> basicaly i moved all translations into the same categories. but they keep whatever name they had before
14:23:13 <TrueBrain> including any /, gotcha
14:23:41 <TrueBrain> as it links to the english Main Page
14:23:51 <TrueBrain> if that makes sense :)
14:25:01 <TrueBrain> so you don't see "Main Page" in the URL
14:25:06 <frosch123> the 3/4 is not a directory there
14:25:39 <TrueBrain> funny how that slash is an UTF-8 char
14:25:57 <frosch123> that's the reason i got banned yesterday :p
14:26:08 <frosch123> i was searching for chars that look like / but are no /
14:26:20 <frosch123> now i use a "division slash"
14:26:31 <TrueBrain> well, fix that one page too plz :D
14:27:12 <frosch123> there is also OS/2 and SH/Hendry
14:27:58 <frosch123> TrueBrain: yes, that's a good idea :)
14:28:10 <TrueBrain> now to make it work for translations ..... :P
14:28:10 <frosch123> does it also work without / ?
14:28:23 <frosch123> hmm, ignore that :)
14:28:39 <frosch123> TrueBrain: i can rename the translations to "Main Page" as well, if you want
14:28:53 <TrueBrain> lets go with that .. makes it a lot easier
14:29:10 <TrueBrain> I can solve it otherwise, but if we are not going to show the name anyway, it doesn't matter
14:52:32 * andythenorth misses Eddi|zuHause
14:52:50 <andythenorth> what happened to Eddi anyway?
14:52:52 <Wolf01> TB: is it you who guessed the POTUS' twitter password in 5 tries?
14:54:38 <TrueBrain> that article was .. euh .. "special"
14:54:45 <TrueBrain> "it was one of the passwords I suggested to him 4 years ago"
14:54:51 <TrueBrain> 1) why the FUCK would you suggest passwords?
14:54:55 <TrueBrain> 2) why the FUCK is it this weak?
14:55:04 <TrueBrain> 3) why the FUCK are you trying if it was one of them? Holy crap
14:55:14 <TrueBrain> no, I am distancing myself far far FAR away from that :P
14:55:51 <TrueBrain> frosch123: not all folders have a Main Page :)
14:56:06 <frosch123> lol, wut? you wrote in three short sentences more info than in any german news article
14:56:27 <TrueBrain> they didn't report that part of his interview?
14:56:34 <frosch123> TrueBrain: yes, not all. and pretty sure the "Archive" folders will never get one
14:56:52 <TrueBrain> frosch123: hmm .. that makes building such navigation a bit tricky :)
14:56:58 <Wolf01> <frosch123> lol, wut? you wrote in three short sentences more info than in any german news article <- not that italian ones tell much more
14:57:08 <TrueBrain> also, "Common templates", "Manual of style" and "Templates" should not be in the root tbh :P
14:58:25 <frosch123> do you suggest to add a "Wiki" category, and revive the Village Pump page as main page of it?
14:59:58 <TrueBrain> (ignore styling :D)
15:01:55 <frosch123> TrueBrain: on mediawiki you can also view category pages, which do not have an explicit page
15:02:00 <frosch123> they will still list their members
15:02:14 <TrueBrain> owh, I see the Volkskrant changed the article .. seems they reported the initial time a bit .. wrong too :P
15:02:53 <TrueBrain> frosch123: sorry, I don't follow what you said there
15:03:33 <TrueBrain> yeah, so you don't want to list "Archive"
15:03:35 <frosch123> that category has no page: see red links at top
15:04:08 <frosch123> TrueBrain: i mean, missing "Main Page" could still show the tree
15:04:12 <frosch123> without further content
15:04:50 <TrueBrain> so if Main Page is missing, show an empty page with only navigation?
15:07:08 <frosch123> meh, why does "Archive" start with A?
15:07:47 <TrueBrain> yeah .. I don't really fancy it :P
15:08:19 <frosch123> should we go the gollum route and add .sidebar.mediawiki to each folder?
15:09:12 <TrueBrain> means people have to maintain it themself?
15:09:22 <TrueBrain> so it becomes like what we have now?
15:09:36 <TrueBrain> (the thing on the right)
15:09:37 <frosch123> maybe we can check what pages it links, and add missing one at the bottom automatically?
15:10:02 <TrueBrain> I don't think we should do this .. we can make Category pages that allows you to browse it
15:10:08 <TrueBrain> but this navigation doesn't feel right
15:11:18 <frosch123> hmm, categories sounds nice
15:11:33 <TrueBrain> maybe Folder: or what-ever
15:12:44 <TrueBrain> meh, you cannot loop in mediawiki .. makes some things a bit difficult to write in a mediawiki template :P
15:12:53 <TrueBrain> well, I can loop .. via a template
15:13:23 <frosch123> don't do loops with recursions :)
15:14:18 <TrueBrain> let me know if you have a new data-set with Main Page for all languages :)
15:18:08 <frosch123> will do later, afk for a while now
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15:48:22 <TrueBrain> frosch123: even after Image: -> File:, things are still a bit broken ofc ... images that cannot be found .. so I agree, manual work :)
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16:50:52 <TrueBrain> hmm .. a bit tricky ... are we going to do /Category:en/NNN or /Category/en/NNN or /en/Category:NNN or /en/Category/NNN
16:50:59 <TrueBrain> I like having /en as prefix all the time tbh
16:51:31 <TrueBrain> a / can be confused by a directory I guess, and links are already :
16:51:36 <TrueBrain> so /en/Category:NNN I guess
16:52:45 <frosch123> i would go for Category/en/NNN
16:53:14 <TrueBrain> I have been trying that, but it gives a lot of if/else cases
16:55:25 <TrueBrain> one of the more annoying problems is that wikitext has [[Category: and [[:Category
16:55:31 <TrueBrain> which do two completely different things :P)
16:55:40 <frosch123> yes, same for Template and File
16:56:04 <TrueBrain> template ironicly doesn't really have that issue
16:56:08 <TrueBrain> as it is either {{ or [[
16:56:18 <TrueBrain> so we can fix those in conversion
16:56:26 <TrueBrain> their meaning is the same, basically
16:56:31 <TrueBrain> for category, it means something else
16:57:01 <TrueBrain> wikitext is just a big mess :P
16:57:49 <TrueBrain> ah, no, :File and File are also 2 different things
16:58:13 <TrueBrain> so [[Template is the odd one :P
17:14:04 <TrueBrain> okay, I think I got it ..
17:14:14 <TrueBrain> still empty, mostly
17:14:19 <TrueBrain> but that is the next thing to fix
17:14:51 <TrueBrain> lol @ translations of that category
17:14:57 <TrueBrain> yet another way of doing translations ..
17:15:54 <TrueBrain> it is very inconsistent
17:16:37 <TrueBrain> the translations, yes
17:17:19 <TrueBrain> like .. MAKE UP YOUR DAMN MIND
17:17:42 <TrueBrain> but yes, the system works
17:17:47 <TrueBrain> this is a content problem
17:18:02 <TrueBrain> you now have to register namespaces to truewiki, and both "Category" and ":Category", for example
17:18:07 <TrueBrain> you cannot just do one or the other
17:18:32 <TrueBrain> well, not to truewiki, but to wikitexthtml, the library behind it
17:18:47 <TrueBrain> okay, next step is going to be to list the pages
17:19:06 <TrueBrain> owh .. and there is a concept of "subcategories"
17:19:11 <TrueBrain> that will be ... interesting too
17:19:43 <TrueBrain> we really did collect them all :)
17:21:31 <frosch123> index.py could already handle subcategories :p
17:22:10 <frosch123> TrueBrain: that category should go into my trash list
17:22:25 <frosch123> we don't need categories of pages/image in language X
17:22:47 <TrueBrain> how do we deal with images that were in categories?
17:22:59 <TrueBrain> pretty sure that is completely useless
17:23:14 <TrueBrain> especially as the images look NOTHING like those used in OpenTTD :P
17:23:20 <TrueBrain> not sure what ... is going on there :)
17:23:21 <frosch123> as we do not have File: pages, they should be trashed
17:23:40 <frosch123> in fact, unless the category is referenced somewhere else, it should already be trashed
17:23:57 <TrueBrain> just checking it was intended :)
17:24:05 <TrueBrain> well, the cargo category is fine
17:24:08 <TrueBrain> the images in there are not :P
17:24:13 <frosch123> i like the FizzyDrinks image :)
17:25:28 <frosch123> do you support that?
17:25:40 <frosch123> does wikitextparser support that?
17:26:02 <TrueBrain> wikitextparser supports reading the gallery tag
17:26:06 <TrueBrain> the content is simple
17:26:09 <TrueBrain> and I support that, yes
17:26:29 <TrueBrain> it is just an image-link on every line, basically
17:26:43 <TrueBrain> so split on |, first item is the link to the image
17:26:48 <TrueBrain> that part you do have to do manually :)
17:27:06 <TrueBrain> image, _, title = item.partition("|")
17:27:21 <TrueBrain> items = tag.contents.split("\n")
17:37:50 <frosch123> oh my, it was a mistake to join #oftc :)
17:39:06 <frosch123> it was quiet all day, noone around to unban me. and now there are two guys argueing, why they are still banned from some other channel, despite asking the mods twice a day to get unbanned
17:41:22 <LordAro> isn't dwfreed something to do with oftc? perhaps they can help?
17:42:02 <frosch123> oh, it's not that important to bother individual people
17:42:23 <frosch123> it only triggers when i identify to nickserv. and there is actually no much reason to do that in the first place
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18:14:56 <frosch123> i suspect the author of that wiki page and the author in out wiki are the same person :)
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18:17:08 <frosch123> TrueBrain: i pushed new data. i tried to apply some magic to rename also translated pages: Main Page and trimming some "/"
18:19:27 <andythenorth> wait wat is that
18:31:12 <TrueBrain> frosch123: happen to know a Category that does exist but doesn't have his own page yet?
18:31:16 <TrueBrain> too lazy to grep for it :P
18:35:59 <frosch123> or actually via template
18:39:03 <TrueBrain> owh boy, that is a problem for categories ... I pick up the template, not the pages using the template :)
18:39:43 <TrueBrain> strictly seen the same problem is there for translations
18:39:57 <TrueBrain> but that is less noticable, as it is unlikely templates are used to mark translations :)
18:40:07 <TrueBrain> (of the page they are transcluded on)
18:40:40 <frosch123> yeah, i think you have to pick up the categories while rendering the real page
18:41:02 <TrueBrain> which takes ~10 minutes on a single core :P
18:41:07 <TrueBrain> well, maybe less with this set
18:41:14 <TrueBrain> but yeah, that requires storing in the repo :D
18:41:51 <frosch123> where do you store the rendered pages?
18:42:02 <TrueBrain> I do not yet; I was considering doing that at the same time
18:42:50 <TrueBrain> everything is currently rendered again every request
18:42:52 <TrueBrain> lot easier to develop :)
18:45:00 <TrueBrain> but yeah, due to the includeonly/onlyinclude/noinclude, this is rather hard to deduce without parsing them in full
18:45:47 <frosch123> i would also expect [[Category:{{{1}}}]] :)
18:46:17 <frosch123> i would never got that to work with gollum :)
19:05:53 <TrueBrain> haha, no, that really does require preprocessing :)
19:06:09 <TrueBrain> okay, restarts now take for-ever, as I am preprocessing all pages :D
19:06:19 <TrueBrain> this needs a cache for sure :D
19:08:02 <TrueBrain> mind you that this is also most likely a reason some pages and images are missing
19:08:40 <TrueBrain> but if I push this code to GitHub, you can use my lib to preprocess the pages, and get a completely list of wikilinks :)
19:08:47 <TrueBrain> so that is a relative easy fix
19:08:53 <TrueBrain> just your export takes a few minutes longer :D
19:14:29 <TrueBrain> takes only 90 seconds on a single core to render all pages in the new structure
19:14:32 <TrueBrain> that is a HUGE difference :P
19:14:37 <TrueBrain> well, it only does preprocessing
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19:28:17 <TrueBrain> just developing is annoying as fuck now .. too lazy to cache this :)
19:32:54 <andythenorth> reload_newgrfs and newgame are not the same
19:32:58 <andythenorth> both are in my console history :P
19:43:30 <frosch123> sort the entries :)
19:44:07 <TrueBrain> just not how you want them :P
19:44:11 <TrueBrain> (they are sorted by language too)
19:44:36 <TrueBrain> I kinda want to filter out wrong languages or something
19:44:40 <frosch123> i would put subcategories on top
19:44:40 <TrueBrain> as it is just annoying :P
19:45:06 <frosch123> don't filter them. let people fix it :)
19:45:19 <TrueBrain> clearly nobody fixes those things :P
19:45:35 <TrueBrain> I was thinking something like: "Entries with other languages"
19:45:36 <TrueBrain> and list them there
19:46:37 <frosch123> some page per language that lists everything broken?
19:46:54 <frosch123> linking stuff from other languages, missing pages, ...
19:47:35 <TrueBrain> well, missing pages in a category is a bit difficult I suspect :D
19:47:41 <TrueBrain> but something like that
19:47:54 <TrueBrain> owh, you mean 1 with ALL issues
19:48:15 <frosch123> with "missing pages" i mean dead lniks
19:48:47 <TrueBrain> yeah, we can do that too
19:48:53 <TrueBrain> but I also kinda want to show on local pages what is wrong
19:48:58 <TrueBrain> to motivate people when visiting to fix it
20:00:49 <TrueBrain> sorry, reloading server ..
20:02:38 <TrueBrain> I broke something I see .. those should ofc always be linkable :D
20:04:22 <TrueBrain> yeah, time to reload that :P
20:05:04 <frosch123> i guess when i am done with pages, i'll check which of the categories to trash
20:05:10 <frosch123> looks like there is lots of potential :)
20:06:45 <TrueBrain> I also plan to show in "View Source" and "Edit" all the warnings and errors the page generated
20:06:49 <TrueBrain> just to hint people to fix things, tbh
20:06:58 <TrueBrain> it is now all so hidden and "you need to know that special URL"
20:07:03 <TrueBrain> instead of just in-your-face
20:07:08 <TrueBrain> maybe that stimulates a bit more :)
20:08:36 <TrueBrain> lot of small bits to fix
20:08:41 <TrueBrain> and this is all before we start with the "edit" part
20:08:49 <TrueBrain> but honestly, that is mostly a copy/paste from BaNaNaS
20:13:55 <TrueBrain> well, I wanted to prepare the code today for publishing, but .. I don't feel like it :D
20:14:14 <TrueBrain> I will leave the server up for a bit so people can browse around :)
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20:37:35 <frosch123> lol, i only now saw the "Powered by TrueWiki" :)
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20:48:40 <FLHerne> TrueBrain: In your future: other sites get fed up of MediaWiki and port to your system, and then you're stuck maintaining it and being shown ever-more-ridiculous pages forever
20:49:05 <andythenorth> like FIRS for industry newgrfs? o_O
20:51:13 <TrueBrain> FLHerne, if it pays enough, I am fine with that ;)
20:54:40 <frosch123> FLHerne: did you see how many bugs tb reported to that poor wikiparser guy? :)
20:56:05 <frosch123> andythenorth: can't be, no pyramid
20:56:46 <TrueBrain> I fixed as many as I reported.. I hope it didn't stress him out :D
20:56:48 <andythenorth> can we build docks on corner coast tiles?
20:57:20 <frosch123> that's only an interface issue
20:57:40 <frosch123> the way you select the dock direction does not work with corners
20:58:34 <frosch123> you can patch auto-slope under docks, so you can landscape + build dock + reverse landscape
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21:30:19 <andythenorth> oof drawing ships is slow
21:30:29 <andythenorth> I have been drawing one ship since 11am yesterday
21:30:37 <andythenorth> and so far 4 angles are nearly complete
21:31:53 <frosch123> how many pixels has a ship compared to a train?
21:32:06 <frosch123> can you use the ships sprites for 2x trains?
21:32:26 <andythenorth> this one is 112px long and 26px high
21:32:34 <andythenorth> train is what 32px by 14px?
21:33:33 <andythenorth> unrelated: /me wonders what would happen if pax was split to commuters / long distance
21:33:55 <andythenorth> and newgrf cargos gained a distance flag (or +ve/-ve weighting)
21:34:22 <andythenorth> dunno what that would do to pax flooding cdist networks, but might be interesting
21:34:57 <andythenorth> let the newgrf specify effect of distance on demand
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21:37:25 <andythenorth> is there a newsletter also? :D
21:37:32 <frosch123> soon you will be able to write essays too :)
21:37:53 <andythenorth> those coop communist bastards
21:38:10 <andythenorth> we need to talk about css, maybe in December
21:38:34 <frosch123> the forum christmas css is pretty unpopular though
21:43:08 <andythenorth> OpenGL snowflakes needed
21:43:18 <andythenorth> hmm, my split pax idea is FAIL
21:43:23 <andythenorth> buses can't refit mixed cargos
21:44:44 <frosch123> oh, you meant ecs tourists
21:45:40 <andythenorth> one would prefer intra-town, the other inter-town
21:46:15 <andythenorth> but inter-town pax would still need to transfer within a town
21:46:27 <andythenorth> hmm industry to convert passenger types? o_O
21:47:37 <andythenorth> all kinds of possibilities
21:47:56 <andythenorth> then express trains, planes, cruise ship, road coaches only do type B pax
21:48:04 <andythenorth> metro, trams, buses, local trains do type A
21:48:15 <andythenorth> and factory converts A<->B on delivery
21:48:33 <FLHerne> Cargo subtypes, but for actual cargos?
21:48:48 <andythenorth> just thinking of what messes up the meta :)
21:49:01 <FLHerne> That sounds like a total headache
21:49:11 <andythenorth> current meta is '1000 pax waiting on a station because cdist'
21:49:21 <andythenorth> and also 'lots of trains losing money because transfers'
21:50:00 <frosch123> probably good for tax reduction
21:50:38 <andythenorth> is that like statues, which I discovered today?
21:50:43 <andythenorth> always a new thing in ottd :P
21:52:55 <frosch123> i can't believe you did not know about statues. i prefer to think you forgot about them
21:53:27 <andythenorth> let's say I had fuzzy memory
21:53:38 <andythenorth> I knew there were weird rating mechanics to exploit
21:53:51 <andythenorth> the 0 year vehicle thing still weirds me out
21:53:51 <frosch123> statues are just a the-richer-get-richer mechanic
21:54:02 <andythenorth> maybe I put the station rating fixer back into FIRS :P
21:54:03 <frosch123> infinite return of investment
21:54:31 <andythenorth> I removed previous FIRS ratings fixer, 100% removed certain gameplay elements :
21:54:56 <andythenorth> maybe I just fix the vehicle age stupidity
21:57:19 <andythenorth> MAYBE I DRAW THIS SHIP!
21:57:24 <andythenorth> oof andythenorth distractions
21:59:38 <glx> <andythenorth> hmm industry to convert passenger types? o_O <-- passenger => green soylent ?
22:02:32 <frosch123> "oil rig doubles passenger production"
22:16:17 * andythenorth should draw oil tankers
22:16:23 <andythenorth> [refittable to pax]
22:16:52 <andythenorth> hmm should I do port and starboard lights on ships?
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22:17:05 <andythenorth> that used to be a top feature of lego ships, but the green lights were rare
23:07:45 * andythenorth considers automating port and starboard lights
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