IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2020-10-24
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12:37:19 <TrueBrain> slowest page to render, 3.5 seconds ..
12:37:32 <TrueBrain> I wonder if I can make that somewhat faster .. but okay, first I need to fix <p> tags ..
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12:44:00 <TrueBrain> lot of time is spend in C-world, as it turns out :P
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12:56:17 <frosch123> the internet is a weird place...
12:56:38 <frosch123> most sites are currently unreachable for me. except all sites related to ottd :) even irc works
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13:31:47 <TrueBrain> at least I am happy the priorities of your internet are in order :P
13:50:22 <TrueBrain> when to p and when not to p, that is the question :D
14:07:11 <andythenorth> are hard to draw
14:07:17 <andythenorth> IRL they are quite ugly, this does not aid
14:07:30 <TrueBrain> drawing ugly things is easy
14:07:32 <TrueBrain> I do it all the time
14:12:37 <andythenorth> lolz are strong today
14:12:51 <andythenorth> I have to un-ugly IRL for pixels
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15:53:52 <andythenorth> it's better, but I wonder if anyone but me can see that :P
16:15:15 <TrueBrain> where mediawiki does and doesn't add <p>s feels so random :P
16:15:30 <TrueBrain> I think it depends on the source .. which is a bit odd tbfh :P
16:22:30 <frosch123> andythenorth: it's pretty clean now. the ship on the new drawing looks "newer" than the one on the old drawing
16:24:08 <mirrorb2rd> there was some newgrf ship i was always wishing for, forgot what it was
16:29:25 <frosch123> was it an ekranoplan?
16:37:27 <TrueBrain> okay ... I think I have a first version of wikitexthtml done .. now I can build truewiki :)
16:37:40 <TrueBrain> frosch123: is your data repository up-to-date?
16:44:22 <TrueBrain> owh, wait, no, I still have to do ToC! Almost forgot :D
16:48:07 <frosch123> i am almost done with reviewing my sorting
16:48:16 <frosch123> i'll push new stuff this evening
16:55:35 <mirrorb2rd> not an ekranoplan no
16:55:46 <mirrorb2rd> i think a mini tanker or something? though i think the... whatever the ship newgrf is called - has it
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17:00:38 <TrueBrain> owh, it is naysayers, funny, did not expect that
17:11:46 <frosch123> are they related to ni-knights?
17:12:02 <TrueBrain> WE ARE THE KNIGHTS THAT SAY NI
17:12:10 <TrueBrain> I am no longer allowed to say that out loud
17:12:13 <TrueBrain> it got permabanned :(
17:12:29 <TrueBrain> turns out, it triggers people a LOT if you do this at odd hours very loud
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17:30:24 <TrueBrain> still funny how sometimes our current wiki just isn't there for a bit of time :P
17:30:28 <TrueBrain> I don't want to know :)
17:40:04 <TrueBrain> so the page has 5 sections: L3, L3, L2, L3, L3
17:40:09 <TrueBrain> which is rendered as L1, L1, L1, L2, L2
18:12:11 <mirrorb2rd> i found so many pages that didn't seem to be listed anywhere
18:12:31 <mirrorb2rd> if you want someone to tidy up ai things i could volunteer maybe. though i likely have too little experience
18:12:34 <frosch123> don't worry. that will change in the next months
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18:13:19 <frosch123> we are changing to a tree-structured wiki, instead of having a no-structure wiki
18:13:44 <rptr_> oh, so there'll be a tree on the main page, and every page will link to the parent?
18:13:47 <frosch123> which results in no page being "not listed"
18:13:53 <rptr_> will it still be the same software?
18:14:07 <frosch123> it's still about openttd :p
18:14:08 <rptr_> your name contains the password of 90% of openttd companies!
18:14:33 <rptr_> i was telling someone earlier to change their password to something safer. "ok it's 123456 now
18:15:28 <frosch123> recommend them "P@ssw0rd", it contains all types of characters
18:16:46 <rptr_> hm. i found out how to write hiragana with my default layout/ input method, now i can't find it
18:32:02 <rptr_> oh there is one already
19:13:08 <frosch123> though i guess it's still ridiculous to have 169 templates for 618 pages :p
19:13:42 <andythenorth> not necessarily?
19:13:47 <andythenorth> if they're just navigation and crap
19:14:07 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 3.65680473373
19:14:32 <andythenorth> I would have guessed at 4:1 or 5:1 pages:templates in most web projects
19:14:42 <andythenorth> most = ones I write :P
19:15:02 <andythenorth> unrelated, I'm sure we could delete more of development, but eh :P
19:16:17 <frosch123> about half of development are the "how to write an ai" pages
19:17:36 <frosch123> anyway, 121 pages in the manual is a reasonable number. so maybe we find someone to dust them off
19:17:45 <frosch123> happy about that :)
19:18:44 <andythenorth> does it still say goods grows towns? o_O
19:19:07 <andythenorth> I think someone explained to me recently that goods does grow towns somehow
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19:22:50 <frosch123> andythenorth: yes, most newgrf do not have any "trash" cargo. so towns have to grow for storing all the deliveries somehow
19:24:02 <rptr_> i was thinking about a garbage cargo two days ago, would be nice
19:24:11 <andythenorth> sprite isn't done, but eh, it's better
19:24:44 <andythenorth> trying to get a bright toy-ish appearance
19:31:08 <andythenorth> I have drawn 10,000+ sprites
19:31:12 <andythenorth> I can afford to be
19:31:55 <rptr_> for openttd only or in general?
19:32:10 <rptr_> i've drawn max 100, and unfortunately haven't saved almost any :(
19:32:40 <rptr_> hm. that includes redrawing i guess?
19:33:11 <andythenorth> depends how you count the angles
19:33:29 <rptr_> i remember there was a Toyland-to-Mars conversion thing which supposedly required some annoying changes to be made (replacing toyland or something), but i've seen people changing the terrain with newgrfs. so is that some new thing that is possible?
19:33:35 <andythenorth> but Iron Horse has 500 trains, with between 8 and 32 sprites per train
19:33:43 <andythenorth> and I've done 5 or 6 other newgrfs
19:33:56 <rptr_> ok that sounds more sane somehow
19:34:31 <andythenorth> I can do about 2 vehicles per day on average, and I've been drawing for about 10 years I think
19:52:04 <DorpsGek_III> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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20:35:07 <Wolf01> Building cars with lego is hard.
20:39:26 <TrueBrain> depends; if you follow the manual it is okay-ish :P Depending on the size ... :D
20:39:32 <TrueBrain> right, Table of Contents renders correctly too
20:42:13 <Wolf01> No manual, also realistic steering with MacPherson type suspension and FWD
20:44:29 <Wolf01> And the front wheels fall off because I can't attach them firmly, so I'll need to rework the suspension part
21:06:19 <TrueBrain> frosch123: in the export ideally we also remove a few variables .. SERVER, TALKPAGENAME, fullurl
21:06:23 <TrueBrain> they all make very little sense :P
21:06:28 <TrueBrain> but we can do these kind of cleanups after :)
21:08:14 <frosch123> haha, there is worse :) various templates need manual cleanup. i cannot automate url-translation when they are combines via #switch :)
21:08:52 <TrueBrain> I did not expect you to automate everything there :P
21:10:35 <TrueBrain> next job is to clean the CSS :D But that is not for tonight :)
21:29:36 <frosch123> unicode is so magical...
21:30:03 <frosch123> 1234⁄5678 <- how does that even work
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23:21:34 <frosch12> TrueBrain: i pushed stuff :)
23:22:00 <frosch12> also, what was the message when i *left* chat last time? :)
23:25:51 <LordAro> you got killed for being a spambot, apparently
23:28:00 <TrueBrain> haha, frosch12 the spammer :D
23:28:03 <frosch12> well, that was no normal /
23:28:08 <frosch12> but also no dangerous slash
23:28:44 <TrueBrain> well, I guess spammers use that a lot :P
23:29:24 <TrueBrain> frosch12: I am missing a lot of images, it seems
23:29:32 <TrueBrain> en/Code.png, to name one of many
23:29:44 <frosch12> i replaced all slashes whcih are not supposed to be path separators with fancy slashes
23:30:01 <TrueBrain> well, "en" is the folder I guess .. there is no "code.png"
23:30:21 <frosch12> hmm, so my reference tracking does not work :(
23:31:11 <TrueBrain> and it is not english :P
23:32:03 <frosch12> there are even two images on that page
23:32:26 <TrueBrain> lot of other dead-links of pages that should exist :)
23:33:07 <TrueBrain> tomorrow I will make a version of truewiki available, so you can test this locally; might be easier to check your export with :)
23:35:55 <TrueBrain> many pages have "{{en/table of contents}}" instead of "{{en/Table of contents}}"
23:36:03 <TrueBrain> (and as result, fail to load)
23:39:16 <TrueBrain> what a weird way to end a page ..
23:40:58 <TrueBrain> frosch12: where did the AI pages go to? Trashcan?
23:41:35 <TrueBrain> the right-bar links to an unknown page, hence the question :D
23:42:30 <TrueBrain> oeh, found a bug with my <p> inserter :)
23:46:43 <frosch12> lol, someone was really upset about trains driving on the left. renamed the screenshots to ...-en.png and created new ones with swapped driving side
23:49:49 <TrueBrain> and yes, I am blaming wikitext for all this difficult bla with links etc :D
23:50:06 <frosch12> hmm, so my redirect resolving does not work
23:56:00 <frosch12> TrueBrain: now there are more images
23:56:15 <frosch12> also found the link issue, will fix tomorrow
23:57:19 <TrueBrain> not all yet, but more :)
23:57:50 <frosch12> when i switched to wikitreeparser, my conversion unlearned some link-fixes
23:58:02 <frosch12> i repair namespace capitalisation, but forgot to capitalize first letter
23:58:07 <TrueBrain> en/OpenttdLogo.png mainly is missing, it seems
23:58:40 <TrueBrain> ah, and more images with all lowercase etc; guess that will be fixed tomorrow too? :D
23:59:25 <frosch12> i removed the .translation and .category stuff. i assume truewiki will generate those :)
23:59:55 <TrueBrain> you assumed correctly :)
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