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11:00:17 <TrueBrain> only 12 domains left on the old infra .. (from the ~50)
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11:01:42 <TrueBrain> devs -> will be closed soon. translator -> eints -> hopefully that can be migrated soon. grfsearch -> requires me to write some javascript, accounts -> can be closed if eints is moved, media -> see "accounts", admin -> see "accounts", spam -> we need to find a new mail host, stats -> see "accounts", wiki -> still needs a resolution
11:02:25 * andythenorth encouragement as a web service
11:02:31 * andythenorth gratitude as a web service
11:02:49 <TrueBrain> the most things can be closed down if eints migrates, so that is good
11:02:56 <TrueBrain> like 50% of the things can be closed down :P
11:17:20 <TrueBrain> seems memory-wise eints and a wiki will not fit in the current cluster size .. but scaling up is easy :P
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11:31:45 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JuanManzana opened issue #8310: when I logged in to 1M city mania the error window pops up... https://git.io/JU0EE
12:23:19 <TrueBrain> and I hit another AWS limit :D We have too many CloudFronts with Lambda@Edge attached
12:23:24 <TrueBrain> lets request a limit increase :)
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15:01:47 <andythenorth> yes, let's hire security companies who post forum spam to advertise
15:01:54 <andythenorth> definitely not a malware scam
15:05:30 <supermop_Home_> andythenorth have you considered using forum spam to advertise your company?
15:05:49 <andythenorth> I have been a forum spammer for flash games historically
15:05:57 <andythenorth> it doesn't work very well
15:20:05 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Do you get utterly ludicrous proposals from 'SEO' companies?
15:20:24 <andythenorth> I don't read my email much
15:20:35 <FLHerne> Every so often, we get a poorly-worded email from people who want to improve our online reputation
15:21:11 <FLHerne> They will do this by creating, with little input from us, many Wordpress websites containing links to each other and important SEO keywords, that say good things about our product
15:21:32 <FLHerne> Optionally they will spam online reviews
15:21:45 <FLHerne> Sometimes they even go to the effort of producing customized examples
15:21:53 <FLHerne> Which have to be seen to be believed
15:23:17 <FLHerne> "Applause was overwhelmingly loud :twisted:"?
15:23:51 <andythenorth> I was feeling froody
15:24:08 <FLHerne> I mean, it's a bugfix release with a couple of patches, you expect jubilation?
15:24:21 <FLHerne> That'll be when NML Stations comes out
15:25:22 <andythenorth> crickets for a newgrf release is fairly commong
15:25:44 <andythenorth> but NML only seems to attract griping
15:27:16 <FLHerne> No-one actually *wants* to write NML
15:27:22 <FLHerne> They want to make their grf work
15:27:46 <FLHerne> And NML is always in the way of that, because we don't have a working do_what_i_mean {} block
15:31:43 <andythenorth> I guess when I gripe about stuff, I expect to also be involved in fixing it :P
15:31:49 <andythenorth> maybe other people aren't me
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15:41:04 <Timberwolf> I think there's "gripe because I understand it and want it to be better", "gripe because I don't understand it and can't find the resources to help me", and "gripe because I want someone else to do it for me".
15:41:28 <Timberwolf> The first tends to be, "and I'm happy to get involved in fixing it"
15:43:32 <Timberwolf> People in the last category like pretending to be in the first :)
16:00:57 <andythenorth> I don't know why or how it happened
16:01:16 <andythenorth> but I got indoctrinated somewhere that 'complaining' is a synonym for 'volunteering'
16:10:39 <Eddi|zuHause> more like "being volunteered" :p
16:15:45 <FLHerne> Timberwolf: The more of your pixels I see, the more stunned I am
16:18:07 <FLHerne> It's like a whole new style of OTTD graphics, but unlike the other whole new styles it still fits reasonably with the various existing grfs
16:18:23 <FLHerne> Also, you've drawn all my favourite trains :D
16:18:57 <andythenorth> all newgrfs should only be UK trains
16:20:13 <FLHerne> But there are UK trams
16:31:11 <Timberwolf> Thanks :). I should find all the old screenshots of Road Vehicles and track how that style evolved (from the original too-tall RVs to the stations)
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18:49:48 <KJS> Not sure if anyone is here, or can help.....
18:52:06 <KJS> Somehow in OpenTTD 10.4 I have mixed up the cargo's and train vehicles. For example the livestock car only hauls building material, not livestock. I have uninstalled a few times, cleaned up the registry everything I can think of but the issue (and the installed GRF's) wont go away. How do I fix this?
18:54:39 <FLHerne> KJS: Have you edited the newgrfs during the game?
18:55:51 <FLHerne> Sometimes that sort of thing happens, which is why there's a bright red warning dialog
18:56:12 <FLHerne> (also, 10.4 isn't an OpenTTD version that exists yet)
18:56:31 <KJS> did not know I could. So guessing no. I have in the NEW GRF opening off the main menu ( where you install GRF's make senarios etc) added and deleted GRF's from the default. but I can not find where to delete GRF's from the computer/OpenTTD
18:56:55 <FLHerne> KJS: Can you upload the savegame somewhere?
18:57:18 <KJS> Sorry you are correct, it is version 1.10.3
18:57:57 <FLHerne> "NEW GRF opening off the main menu ( where you install GRF's make senarios etc) added and deleted GRF's from the default" <- that should be fine
18:58:02 <KJS> Yes, but the issue stays around even after deleting all of openttd and reinstalled and creating a new game
18:58:29 <FLHerne> In that case, what set of grfs do you have enabled?
18:58:43 <FLHerne> It's possible they just don't work well together
18:59:17 <FLHerne> For example, more than one industry set (that aren't deliberately made to work together) can cause strange cargo effects
18:59:57 <FLHerne> "Building material" doesn't exist in the base game, so you definitely have at least one industry grf
19:00:29 <KJS> I think I dound a folder I did not delete...
19:00:58 <KJS> the openttd in documents. I was going after the openttd in appdata
19:01:31 <FLHerne> You should just be able to disable all newgrfs in the settings
19:01:40 <FLHerne> Deleting them shouldn't be necessary
19:01:55 <KJS> Did that but does not fix the problem.....
19:02:55 <FLHerne> KJS: So the list "Active NewGRF Files" is empty, and you clicked 'Apply' ?
19:03:19 <FLHerne> And when you start a *new* game, you still see Building Materials?
19:03:38 <FLHerne> That would be an unusual kind of bug
19:03:55 <Wormnest> KJS: Did you refit the vehicles to the correct cargo you wanted?
19:04:36 <KJS> refit as in the game when the train is in the depot.
19:05:02 <KJS> Tried but the option to livestock was not there for the livestock car
19:17:18 <KJS> Looks like deleting the files in the \users\uid\documents\openttd did the trick
19:17:35 <andythenorth> seems a bizarre bug
19:17:47 <andythenorth> doesn't fit the normal model of how the game works
19:21:04 <KJS> trust me to manage to find the odd bugs. Actually quite good at it :)
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19:49:25 <TrueBrain> (I hit a silly limit in our deployment :P)
19:55:57 <frosch123> looks plausible. no idea whether 301 is the right code, or whether it should be 303
19:58:19 <TrueBrain> hmm, 303 has some odities
19:58:22 <TrueBrain> a 307 would be possible too
19:58:42 <TrueBrain> in general, don't use 302 and 303 .. use 301 or 307 :P
20:01:05 <frosch123> 302 is deprecated. eints and bananas1.5 use 303
20:01:50 <TrueBrain> 303 for APIs is fine, if you mean: I handled your request, now look here :)
20:01:58 <TrueBrain> for a redirect is is a bit unusual :)
20:02:24 <TrueBrain> (also has to do what is being cached and how etc)
20:04:32 <TrueBrain> where does BaNaNaS1.5 use 303 btw?
20:04:36 <TrueBrain> I thought it only did 302s?
20:05:37 <frosch123> i think 302 is magic for "use 302 for http1.0 and 303 for http 1.1"
20:05:42 <frosch123> but maybe that was bottle only
20:05:57 <TrueBrain> 302 is a fucked up response code, and people should just use 307 :)
20:06:06 <TrueBrain> 302/307 is: still use the same method on this URL, including the body you used
20:06:11 <TrueBrain> 303 is: use GET on this URL
20:07:01 <TrueBrain> so you can only use 303 if you know what you are doing, basically :D
20:07:11 <frosch123> yes, and GET is the intention. "go login to github", not "post the grfeditrequest to github"
20:07:43 <frosch123> grfsearch.js also transforms the params, so 307 is weird
20:09:08 <TrueBrain> that is why it is a 301 :)
20:09:16 <TrueBrain> BaNaNaS login does a 302 btw
20:09:24 <TrueBrain> which arguably is wrong .. but 302 is very weird
20:09:28 <TrueBrain> most browsers "do the right thing"
20:09:39 <TrueBrain> it is one of the least explicit HTTP status codes out there :)
20:09:42 <TrueBrain> we should ban 302 :P
20:12:29 <TrueBrain> guess "more correct" would be if we change that in a 303 :)
20:15:49 <frosch123> i think there is a central redirect() method in helpers.py
20:15:55 <frosch123> so, easy to change for everytrhing
20:16:05 <TrueBrain> go for it :D Make sure to test it first ;)
20:16:09 <frosch123> or api.py? can'T remember
20:16:13 <TrueBrain> who knows what browsers do ....
20:18:47 <TrueBrain> it seems likely CloudFront is not caching 303s
20:19:14 <TrueBrain> so for the grfsearch it might be a bit unwanted
20:19:27 <TrueBrain> although, not caching .. it doesn't really matter with the amount of traffic :P
20:21:42 <TrueBrain> (not relevant for BaNaNaS, as it is not behind CloudFront :D)
20:44:09 <frosch123> who is the guy at 451?
21:01:35 <LordAro> frosch123: presumably the guy that wrote Farenheit 451
21:02:57 <frosch123> yeah, looks similar
21:06:37 <frosch123> i was wondering whether it was a james bond villain. never would have guessed the author
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23:00:30 <TrueBrain> awh, my grfsearch javascript seems to fail .. what did I do wrong ...
23:00:56 <TrueBrain> searchgrfid doesn't seem to work
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23:25:38 <TrueBrain> okay, there we go .. now lets validate the 1600+ unique requests done last 90 days, old vs new, see what it says :)
23:27:42 <TrueBrain> URL encoding differs .. interesting :P
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