IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2020-09-17
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00:16:44 <azubieta> Hello FLHerne! azubieta in this end. I offered volunteer to help you create an OpenTTD AppImage :)
00:22:04 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] orudge commented on issue #8309: Docker Hub new policy means nightlies / pull-request-checks will start to fail 1st of November https://git.io/JURqa
00:50:33 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] LordAro approved pull request #31: Synchronize Docker-files with other repositories https://git.io/JURmR
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09:33:35 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain merged pull request #31: Synchronize Docker-files with other repositories https://git.io/JURqs
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09:37:38 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain updated pull request #11: Switch to GitHub Container Registry https://git.io/JURqm
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09:38:01 <TrueBrain> oops, that was SLIGHTLY too early :P
09:41:02 <TrueBrain> so who wants to review 7 near-identical PRs? :D
10:15:18 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain opened pull request #12: Fix: demand PROXY protocol header for every UDP packet https://git.io/JURRk
10:17:48 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain updated pull request #12: Fix: demand PROXY protocol header for every UDP packet https://git.io/JURRk
10:20:44 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain updated pull request #12: Fix: demand PROXY protocol header for every UDP packet https://git.io/JURRk
10:25:07 <TrueBrain> LordAro: the good thing, if you read one, you read all 7 :P
10:25:28 <LordAro> TrueBrain: i've got to find all 7 first :p
10:25:37 <TrueBrain> that is what IRC is for
10:26:52 <TrueBrain> LordAro: ish ... sometimes it just fails .. it will fix itself soon enough, or it can be retriggered
10:27:44 <TrueBrain> basically it went too fast
10:29:23 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] LordAro approved pull request #30: Switch to GitHub Container Registry https://git.io/JUR0c
10:29:57 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] LordAro approved pull request #42: Switch to GitHub Container Registry https://git.io/JUR0l
10:30:06 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] LordAro approved pull request #9: Switch to GitHub Container Registry https://git.io/JUR0R
10:30:39 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/binaries-redirect] LordAro approved pull request #4: Switch to GitHub Container Registry https://git.io/JUR0a
10:30:47 <LordAro> i think that's all of them? :p
10:31:17 <TrueBrain> tnx LordAro :) Redeploying everything on AWS as we speak, after that: MERGE TIME :D
10:32:16 <TrueBrain> AWS deployment will take 3 minutes times 14 services ... euhm .. yeah, this will be a while :D
10:32:36 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] LordAro approved pull request #12: Fix: demand PROXY protocol header for every UDP packet https://git.io/JUR0P
10:33:49 <LordAro> i should probably start work now
10:33:54 <TrueBrain> no more Docker Hub for the infrastructure, which is nice
10:33:59 <TrueBrain> work? What is that concept? :D
10:34:11 <TrueBrain> aren't you already late if you start now? :P
10:34:19 <andythenorth> what is that concept?
10:37:23 <TrueBrain> it really says: WE ARE NOT WEB-GUYS :P
10:37:33 <LordAro> does need some more spacing
10:37:41 <LordAro> other than that... eh
10:37:44 <andythenorth> it's only 1 commit away from being better
10:38:03 <TrueBrain> LordAro: the tags have an extra |, which is just: fuck-this, I am out
10:38:05 <TrueBrain> spacing is all wrong
10:38:09 <TrueBrain> font-size is all over the place
10:38:14 <TrueBrain> visual spacing is broken
10:38:15 <LordAro>
10:38:23 <TrueBrain> and so much more :P
10:38:35 <LordAro> <br/><br/><br/><br/><br/><br/><br/>
10:39:10 <TrueBrain> but okay, you should try uploading something for shit and giggles
10:39:14 <TrueBrain> that interface is even worse :P
10:39:16 <andythenorth> no you shouldn't
10:39:17 <TrueBrain> it is fully functional
10:39:32 <TrueBrain> it is just ... someone with web-knowledge should take a crack at it :)
10:39:45 <andythenorth> I talked to frosch about it earlier this year
10:39:55 <andythenorth> frosch said 'later in 2020'
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10:40:13 <andythenorth> due to I will only get pissed off if I start making changes and they don't get reviewed
10:40:28 <andythenorth> or they get nitpicked by people who don't really know what they are doing
10:40:39 <TrueBrain> owh boy, who flipped this switch again
10:40:43 <andythenorth> so new website for Christmas?
10:41:19 <TrueBrain> I wonder if we haven't someone on the forums or something that would like a nice UX challenge
10:43:48 <andythenorth> I rained on the last volunteer's parade :(
10:48:11 <TrueBrain> can I call you big-grumpy-teddy-bear?
10:50:49 <andythenorth> that's a thing in gay culture I believe, but I am open-minded
10:50:56 <andythenorth> I am also not big
10:51:27 <TrueBrain> and you are .. a teddy-bear? :P
10:51:31 <andythenorth> hmm, I am waiting for a Visa verification code to arrive so I can buy a tool And Get Some Work Done
10:51:51 <andythenorth> so I read Twitter, and the ads are all for how easy Visa is
11:08:36 <TrueBrain> this server started as: "Newbie no password company auto clean" .. it is now "Newbie no password company auto clean purchase land prohibition" :)
11:08:40 <TrueBrain> It seems the newbie is learning :P
11:15:53 <TrueBrain> pff, AWS deployment is still in progress ...
11:36:12 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #30: Switch to GitHub Container Registry https://git.io/JURqt
11:36:26 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] TrueBrain merged pull request #42: Switch to GitHub Container Registry https://git.io/JURqq
11:36:48 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain merged pull request #9: Switch to GitHub Container Registry https://git.io/JURqY
11:37:01 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/binaries-redirect] TrueBrain merged pull request #4: Switch to GitHub Container Registry https://git.io/JURqO
11:37:47 <LordAro> redeploy all the things!
11:38:29 <TrueBrain> these kind of changes are just shitty
11:38:38 <TrueBrain> but I noticed GitHub Actions now allows you to share workflows between repositories
11:43:11 <LordAro> deduplicate all the python stuff?
11:43:54 <TrueBrain> no, deduplicate all the YAML stuff
11:44:06 <LordAro> all the python workflow stuff*
11:44:45 <TrueBrain> well, the Python workflow stuff is not that bothers me a lot .. the publish/deployment workflows are nearly identical
11:44:50 <TrueBrain> I made 1 patch, and applied that to 8 repositories
11:44:54 <TrueBrain> that is just silly :P
11:45:38 <TrueBrain> okay, time to provision our new NLBs with a fix for the PROXY protocol .. pam pam pammmmm
11:47:04 <TrueBrain> anyway, I do need to read up how workflow sharing really works .. as I guess that also allows to break all repositories in a single place :P
11:49:23 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #12: Fix: demand PROXY protocol header for every UDP packet https://git.io/JURRk
12:00:13 <TrueBrain> okay, that is enough spam
12:06:25 <TrueBrain> okay, 1 of the deployments was a bit slower than normal, otherwise it deployed just fine :P
12:06:31 <TrueBrain> funny, how AWS scales :D
12:08:34 <TrueBrain> ah, and 1 deployment acted weird because I hit the memory reservation limit on the cluster
12:09:24 <TrueBrain> real usage is ~25%, but reservation is 80%
12:09:29 <TrueBrain> guess I can lower some upper limits :)
12:09:51 <TrueBrain> what is a good value to aim for, is the question
13:20:11 <TrueBrain> we have 6 subdomains pointing to github ... :D (hg.openttd.org, git.openttd.org, etc)
13:20:25 <TrueBrain> I wonder if we should just drop them, now I think about it ..
13:20:49 <TrueBrain> the endless "keeping links alive" is not always useful
13:22:02 <TrueBrain> and poef, just like that, they are gone
13:22:57 <TrueBrain> lol .. that is .. euh .. out-of-date :P
13:36:17 <TrueBrain> right, time to deploy a gazillion redirect domains on AWS ..
13:37:20 <TrueBrain> the worst part is doing the certificates tbh
13:44:27 <TrueBrain> especially as AWS seems to be in a bad mood, and it takes for ever to validate DNS ..
13:56:55 <TrueBrain> there are days, the ACM works fine, quick, and it isn't an issue ... there are other days, like this, where it exceeds any expectation of "how horrible can this really be?"
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13:57:16 <TrueBrain> over 30 minutes, and the domain still isn't validated, while it is on Route53 ... (and yes, when I try to resolve it, it works fine)
14:03:26 <SpComb> ACM DNS validations do need plenty of patience
14:04:09 <TrueBrain> last week it was < 1 minute .. which made me think: THEY FIXED IT
14:04:12 <TrueBrain> but .. no .. they did not
14:04:19 <TrueBrain> main issue is that after 15 minutes, CDK says: fuck this, I am out
14:04:33 <TrueBrain> makes deployments VERY difficult ..
14:06:23 <TrueBrain> Requested at 2020-09-07T11:39:10UTC
14:06:23 <TrueBrain> Issued at 2020-09-07T11:39:40UTC
14:06:26 <TrueBrain> see, it is possible!
14:07:47 <TrueBrain> I still suspect it is a queue issue, where too many certificates are being requested and the system is taking for ever to query them ..
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14:30:51 <TrueBrain> I dread the day I have to quickly spin up a new certificate on AWS ... that is like .... 50/50 odds :P
14:31:26 <TrueBrain> 40 minutes in, still not validated ..
14:31:44 <TrueBrain> is someone manually checking this or something? :P
14:49:21 <SpComb> and outside of ACM, it's normalnfor certificates to take a week to get purchased, verified and maybe even deployed :D
14:49:44 <SpComb> one hour for ACM validations isn't thst bad in perspective
15:15:38 <TrueBrain> Maybe 5 years ago, but letsencrypt has shown it is not of this time
15:15:53 <TrueBrain> My biggest issue with ACM is the randomized time it takes
15:16:13 <TrueBrain> If you cannot predict.. it becomes difficult to handle
15:22:59 <TrueBrain> lol .. still pending .. 90 minutes and counting :)
15:23:23 <TrueBrain> I have had various of times I had to wait ..this is a new one :P
15:24:56 <TrueBrain> it is funny, CDK, also produced by AWS, cuts off the waiting after 15 minutes .. clearly indicating they expect it to be done before that time ..
15:25:32 <TrueBrain> but okay, guess I will not be deploying some new subdomains today .. tnx AWS .. tnx for giving me the information needed to come to that conclusion BEFOREhand ..
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15:58:50 <TrueBrain> I start to think these will never validate ... 2 hours, still nothing :)
16:05:21 <Eddi|zuHause> is that a case of "it's either done in seconds, or never"?
16:08:04 <TrueBrain> well, I had <1 min, ~3 minute, ~18 minutes, and now this time .. when-ever it is going to finish :P
16:08:19 <TrueBrain> so it is more: depending how close the Moon is to Venus
16:27:12 <TrueBrain> okay, it is only a problem in us-east-1 .. so at least it is not me or a configuration
16:27:15 <TrueBrain> it is something with AWS
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17:13:47 <TrueBrain> closing in on 3 hours ... lolz.
17:14:18 <TrueBrain> done with it, "delete certificate"-> "yes"
17:14:22 <TrueBrain> there, now it is gone
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18:38:19 <TrueBrain> grr, still can't provision certificates on us-east-1 ... this is just annoying
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18:43:48 <TrueBrain> owh owh owh, one passed!
19:19:41 <TrueBrain> okay, giving up on this crap today :P
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20:24:45 <frosch123> maybe fff can be replaced with tbtf
20:26:17 <frosch123> factorio friday facts stopped 1 month ago with the 1.0 release
20:26:54 <TrueBrain> you miss it that much? :P
20:27:01 <frosch123> aka some nerdy text with fancy pictures
20:27:54 <TrueBrain> oeh, us-east-1 provisioned my cert within a minute :o
20:28:09 <frosch123> TrueBrain: nerdy stuff usually comes in bursts, and are hard to manage
20:28:29 <TrueBrain> nerds cannot be managed, period :P
20:28:36 <TrueBrain> you guide them to selfenlightment
20:29:01 <andythenorth> nerds can be managed
20:29:06 <frosch123> cppcon is only once a year. all the ccc events this year were canceled or were only digital (which is not suitable for the interesting topics)
20:29:08 <andythenorth> you just tell them what the game is and how to get 10/10
20:29:59 <frosch123> fff was a very constant supply
20:30:27 <frosch123> and #openttd is more like a daily soap
20:30:43 <TrueBrain> currently #openttd is just a monologue I am afraid :P
20:30:50 <TrueBrain> with the hecklers from time to time
20:32:10 <frosch123> hmm, new term learned
20:32:46 <TrueBrain> I watch too many comedians :)
20:33:38 <TrueBrain> Jimmy Carr is good at dealing with hecklers; mostly pretty funny :)
20:43:55 <TrueBrain> ha, it was not only me having issues with certificates .. it is now an ongoing issue :P
20:43:59 <TrueBrain> took them long enough to notice ..
20:47:30 <andythenorth> the magic has failed
20:47:33 <andythenorth> ACM is super magic
20:51:24 <TrueBrain> finally managed to provision 12 certificates .. w00p :)
21:02:06 <TrueBrain> frosch123: btw, I threw out all subdomains "svn, svn-archive, git, hg, vcs" .. they still used to redirect to GitHub .. but after 2 years I hope everyone got the message :P
21:02:13 <TrueBrain> only the subdomain "github" still exists, for the lazy person
21:06:53 <TrueBrain> so tomorrow I will bring that to production, which removes even more URLs pointing to the old infra :D \o/
21:15:52 <frosch123> did you find any exotic animal?
21:26:22 <andythenorth> only a TrueBrain
21:28:58 <frosch123> can we get more of them, if you clean more often?
21:29:33 <frosch123> (this is such a bs and heckler channel)
21:31:10 <andythenorth> where is Eddi|zuHause anyway
22:27:43 <supermop_Home_> andythenorth trying to build a complex station throat junction?
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