IRC Logs | #openttd | 2020-09-12

00:20:13 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] FilmBoy84 commented on issue #59: Base-music tarballs created are incompatible with OpenTTD client https://git.io/JJuy0

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00:52:42 * _dp_ error: ‘pain’ is not a member of ‘std’; did you mean ‘pair’?

00:57:52 <dwfreed> that's totally wrong :D

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05:07:09 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] HaloFire1985 left a comment on commit: Update: Changelog for 1.9.2 and prepare for release https://git.io/JUl3W

05:10:42 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] HaloFire1985 opened pull request #8306: Keep Sake https://git.io/JUl3u

05:11:06 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] HaloFire1985 closed pull request #8306: Keep Sake https://git.io/JUl3u

05:11:14 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] HaloFire1985 reopened pull request #8306: Keep Sake https://git.io/JUl3u

07:43:32 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain closed pull request #8306: Keep Sake https://git.io/JUl3u

07:49:17 <TrueBrain> dwfreed: yeah, I remember the days that you could scan, and find, for SOCKS proxies :P And good point :)

07:50:03 <TrueBrain> Luckily, we use AWS, with sane Security Groups, that basically only allow traffic that should be allowed .. no public interface has "all open" rule, only "open port N on protocol X" :D

07:50:18 <TrueBrain> and the SOCKS port is not going to be part of the "allow" :P

07:50:24 <TrueBrain> (only on the private interface)

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09:31:29 <LordAro> TrueBrain: i thought we moved off digitalocean because of the terrible ipv6 support? :p

09:31:49 <TrueBrain> DigitalOcean had -no- IPv6 support

09:32:04 <TrueBrain> but yeah, I did not expect this shit tbh ..

09:32:46 <LordAro> well as long as the proxy will not occasionally fall over and need manually restarting, it's still an improvement

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10:17:38 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain opened pull request #7: Add: support SOCKS proxy for new outgoing connections https://git.io/JUll4

10:17:48 <TrueBrain> okay, that solves 1 of the two issues ... now lets see about the second ..

10:19:46 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain updated pull request #7: Add: support SOCKS proxy for new outgoing connections https://git.io/JUll4

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10:34:08 <TrueBrain> ugh, the other bug is ... an odd thing in PynamoDB ..

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10:34:25 <TrueBrain> an empty string is changed to None, which means the field is not written to the database

10:34:37 <TrueBrain> on reading the record, PynamoDB goes: THIS FIELD IS NOT THERE, PANIC

10:34:49 <TrueBrain> ... so why did you change an empty field to None in the first place, if you don't allow reading it back?

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10:58:15 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain opened pull request #8: Several smaller bugs and improvements found while running in production https://git.io/JUl8C

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10:59:13 <TrueBrain> and I forgot to run black AGAIN

10:59:45 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain updated pull request #8: Several smaller bugs and improvements found while running in production https://git.io/JUl8C

10:59:59 <TrueBrain> you would think I would learn, but alas, I do not :)

11:01:23 <LordAro> set up your editor to run it on save :p

11:01:37 <TrueBrain> pre-commit hook would be better tbh :P

11:01:51 <TrueBrain> but okay, with these two PRs, and some changes in the infra, we should be able to go live again :)

11:02:10 <TrueBrain> at least, all my pre-checks indicate that :P

11:05:03 <dwfreed> TrueBrain: check out https://pre-commit.com/ :)

11:11:21 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] LordAro approved pull request #8: Several smaller bugs and improvements found while running in production https://git.io/JUl4k

11:13:22 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #8: Several smaller bugs and improvements found while running in production https://git.io/JUl8C

11:13:36 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain closed issue #5: Allow settings a table name prefix https://git.io/JUCEy

11:13:54 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] LordAro approved pull request #7: Add: support SOCKS proxy for new outgoing connections https://git.io/JUl4Z

11:14:10 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain dismissed a review for pull request #7: Add: support SOCKS proxy for new outgoing connections https://git.io/JUl4Z

11:14:10 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain updated pull request #7: Add: support SOCKS proxy for new outgoing connections https://git.io/JUll4

11:14:13 <TrueBrain> sorry, just forced pushed an rebase :P

11:14:55 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] LordAro approved pull request #7: Add: support SOCKS proxy for new outgoing connections https://git.io/JUl4c

11:15:11 <TrueBrain> now I need to figure out how to run a socks proxy on AWS in a proper way :)

11:17:16 <TrueBrain> read: learn how to make a service in systemd :P

11:19:45 <dwfreed> systemd service units are dead simple for basic uses (one of few positives); just make sure you have Restart=on-failure

11:24:33 <TrueBrain> and now I indeed know how to do this ... :P I appreciate it, but I am still none-the-wiser :)

11:25:25 <dwfreed> copy an existing one :D

11:25:54 <TrueBrain> but WHICH one, that is the trick :)

11:28:00 <dwfreed> if you have /lib/systemd/system/rsync.service, that's a good one

11:28:22 <dwfreed> Restart=on-failure goes under the [Service] section

11:28:45 <dwfreed> ssh.service is a bit more complex, but demonstrates some other common options

11:29:04 <TrueBrain> it just needs to run a Python app :)

11:29:09 <TrueBrain> and reboot on any failure

11:32:02 <dwfreed> drop that in /etc/systemd/system, then systemctl enable pproxy.service

11:32:59 <dwfreed> note that will run as root by default

11:33:16 <dwfreed> add User=foo to run as foo user (also under [Service])

11:35:30 <TrueBrain> does it need a systemctl reload, or what is it called?

11:35:36 <TrueBrain> or will enable just work after dropping in the file?

11:36:42 <dwfreed> 'systemctl daemon-reload' may be needed before enable or start will work

11:36:51 <dwfreed> note that enable does not start the unit

11:37:02 <TrueBrain> I assumed as much :)

11:37:10 <TrueBrain> cool .. I will test this in a sec .. now a private DNS ..

11:39:38 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #7: Add: support SOCKS proxy for new outgoing connections https://git.io/JUll4

11:46:36 <TrueBrain> Failed to start pproxy.service: Unit is not loaded properly: Invalid argument.

11:47:18 <TrueBrain> pproxy.service lacks both ExecStart= and ExecStop= setting. Refusing.

11:47:27 <TrueBrain> I think something else went wrong :D

11:50:21 <TrueBrain> okay, service works, but application does not .. hmm

11:52:16 <TrueBrain> right, logs don't really show why it failed .. hmmmmmm

11:54:14 <TrueBrain> tnx dwfreed :) That was relative painless :D

12:00:57 <TrueBrain> right .. now the scary part: redeploy some major parts of the AWS infra :D

12:10:59 <TrueBrain> well, first lunch I guess, because .. brrr :P

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12:41:11 <frosch123> do you have redirects installed?

12:41:18 <frosch123> the urls are linked from the official CVE entries

12:41:57 <frosch123> oi, you replaced the svn revs with git hashes :)

12:42:29 <TrueBrain> yeah ... I made it nice and clean :)

12:42:34 <TrueBrain> and no, redirects I still have to do

12:42:38 <TrueBrain> but that will be easy enough :)

12:43:11 <frosch123> where does the "login" at the bottom come from?

12:43:34 <frosch123> oh, main website still has that :p

12:45:20 <TrueBrain> lolz .. well, if you can PR that, it will be gone soon ;)

12:45:35 <TrueBrain> the "patch" files were the most interesting

12:45:44 <TrueBrain> the on-disk patch is just the diff

12:45:51 <TrueBrain> the rest is added based on the information of the CVE

12:49:37 <frosch123> i like how the code changes over time in the diffs

12:49:51 <frosch123> from crappy old C declaring all vars at the top

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12:50:11 <frosch123> to fixing signedness stuff

12:52:15 <TrueBrain> okay, SOCKS proxy is running .. now some minor tweaks to the infra to get it "just right" ..

12:58:01 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] somini commented on pull request #157: Include final URL https://git.io/JUlRD

12:59:30 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain commented on pull request #157: Include final URL https://git.io/JUlRH

13:03:01 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] somini commented on pull request #157: Include final URL https://git.io/JUlR5

13:04:05 <TrueBrain> okay .. who has an IPv6 connection and can run a modified server? :D

13:08:19 <FLHerne> I have that, but not at home :-(

13:11:44 <TrueBrain> I think I enabled it on my own server ... we will see :D

13:15:15 <_dp_> I probably can, at least it does ping6

13:16:25 <TrueBrain> hmm .. SOCKS proxy doesn't work in full chain ... this will be fun to find the issue :P

13:19:07 <TrueBrain> okay, that was the firewall

13:19:20 <TrueBrain> [2020-09-12 13:18:59] dbg: [net] [udp] advertising on master server successful (IPv6)

13:22:15 <TrueBrain> right, time to finetune the firewall first ..

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13:35:15 <TrueBrain> right, there we go :) Okay ... this should work now ... famous last words? :P

13:36:33 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain opened pull request #166: Fix 38fd927: don't end "url" with a slash; it results in double slash https://git.io/JUl0a

13:40:51 <TrueBrain> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.2 https://git.io/JUl0D

13:46:03 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] LordAro approved pull request #166: Fix 38fd927: don't end "url" with a slash; it results in double slash https://git.io/JUl07

13:46:17 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain merged pull request #166: Fix 38fd927: don't end "url" with a slash; it results in double slash https://git.io/JUl0a

14:03:23 <TrueBrain> okay, time to flip the switch again, and see if the new master-server holds this time :P

14:06:28 <frosch123> looks like you slipped and revealed your true bot nature

14:07:41 <TrueBrain> yeah, I need to fix .dorpsgek.yml for that repo :P

14:07:59 <TrueBrain> hmm .. there are servers advertising, but they don't have their firewall configured correctly :P

14:08:58 <_dp_> yeah, I probably have some of those

14:09:07 <_dp_> doesn't matter, they're just for testing

14:10:08 <TrueBrain> they are spamming my logs! :P

14:10:24 <TrueBrain> but most servers are getting through :)

14:10:41 <TrueBrain> 40 IPv4 and 8 IPv6 so far, will takes ~15 minutes for the rest to arrive

14:11:18 <TrueBrain> so those that fail querying, are most likely their local firewall issues .. I hope at least :) The IPs that fail so far also never made it to the old MSU, so I guess

14:11:55 <TrueBrain> that page caches for 5 minutes I believe, but a server only updates every 15

14:14:14 <TrueBrain> owh, the amount of used memory is also a lot lower than I expected ... <50MB

14:15:46 <TrueBrain> lol, seems https://servers.openttd.org/ could have used a redirect from /en/ to / :P

14:15:55 <TrueBrain> we didn't do that for BaNaNaS either, so meh :P

14:19:11 <TrueBrain> sentry remains empty .. seems this version is a lot more stable :D

14:21:13 <_dp_> oh, I restarted my pc today so spammy servers aren't mine :p

14:22:01 <TrueBrain> the IPs are also all over the place, so I didn't really expect them to be :D

14:22:12 <TrueBrain> there is 1 IPv6 with many ports, of which none of them reply :p

14:23:24 <TrueBrain> the amount of traffic on the NLB did increase drastically .. seems master-server uses more traffic than content-server (excluding downloads, ofc)

14:24:33 <TrueBrain> "There are 105 clients, 270 IPv4 servers and 58 IPv6 servers in this list."

14:24:56 <TrueBrain> hmm .. sorting of servers is not as it should :P

14:36:19 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain opened pull request #6: Small improvements notices after going live https://git.io/JUlEP

14:36:59 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain updated pull request #6: Small improvements notices after going live https://git.io/JUlEP

14:37:05 <TrueBrain> every ... fucking ... single ... time .... I need a pre-commit hook :P

14:40:20 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain opened pull request #9: Fix: don't log every time a server is not responding https://git.io/JUlED

14:40:27 <TrueBrain> there ... as this is too spammy in the logs :P

14:40:45 <Eddi|zuHause> but once you go through the trouble of making it into a pre-commit-hook, you'll also remember it so it won't ever trigger :p

14:43:03 <TrueBrain> ~30 servers are announcing with a wrongly configured firewall ...

14:43:19 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] frosch123 approved pull request #6: Small improvements notices after going live https://git.io/JUlE9

14:43:46 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain merged pull request #6: Small improvements notices after going live https://git.io/JUlEP

14:44:11 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.1 https://git.io/JUlEQ

14:44:15 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] frosch123 approved pull request #9: Fix: don't log every time a server is not responding https://git.io/JUlE7

14:44:25 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #9: Fix: don't log every time a server is not responding https://git.io/JUlED

14:44:58 <TrueBrain> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.3 https://git.io/JUlEd

14:45:44 <TrueBrain> owh, and frosch123 .. I forgot we old accounts system was still running on the Django .. so I cannot shut down the old VM yet :P

14:46:42 <TrueBrain> we = the, what-ever :P

14:47:46 <frosch123> so the oldest part stays the longest?

14:47:54 <frosch123> i guess you have to peel the onion from the outside

14:48:05 <TrueBrain> well, I can shutdown another VM now, so that is a bonus

14:48:09 <TrueBrain> and I can restrict even more traffic

14:48:28 <TrueBrain> I think tomorrow I am going through the old nginx web forwarder, to see which subdomains it replies to .. and move them all away

14:48:33 <TrueBrain> that would be a good day too :D

14:49:11 <TrueBrain> cool, all the servers on master-server list I can query ingame too, except for 2 .. guess that server just went offline :D

14:52:38 <TrueBrain> this new master-server should be fully UTF-8 compatible

14:52:44 <TrueBrain> mostly because I did absolutely nothing with it :D

14:52:50 <TrueBrain> and in Python3 .. that is mostly enough :P

14:52:57 <TrueBrain> I liked my server-name .. I put trains in it :D

14:53:05 <TrueBrain> I am shocked nobody does that ..

14:53:56 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause should file a bugreport that python should support proper uppercase ẞ

14:54:09 <frosch123> oh, the force is strong in him

14:54:15 <TrueBrain> bah, a sentry entry ..

14:54:16 <frosch123> he must have anticipated that

14:54:22 <TrueBrain> and one very odd one ..

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14:55:30 <frosch123> [14:53] <TrueBrain> I am shocked nobody does that .. <- probably because the in-game serverlist is not as advanced as your browser

14:55:54 <TrueBrain> owh, the sentry entry happened because of the roll-over

14:56:01 <frosch123> and i think ottd will even strip the private-range chars that we use for the sprite train symbol

14:56:35 <TrueBrain> it showed them as a weird icon

14:56:40 <TrueBrain> I assumed my font ingame didn't support it

14:59:57 <frosch123> "2607:5300:60:1bde::1:4030" <- is that how you print ipv6 addresses? i thought it was "[2607:5300:60:1bde::1]:4030

15:00:19 <TrueBrain> make a pull request! :D

15:01:05 <TrueBrain> that is me agreeing with you :)

15:01:07 <frosch123> are the [ ] optional? or required?

15:01:17 <TrueBrain> it is better readable with them

15:01:24 <LordAro> i don't think it's technically necessary

15:01:42 <TrueBrain> and in the example your give, the current format is even wrong

15:01:46 <frosch123> how do you distinguish ip and port then?

15:01:50 <TrueBrain> as :: resolves to "as many 0's as needed"

15:01:56 <TrueBrain> so it is unclear there is a port there :P

15:04:26 <TrueBrain> https://servers.openttd.org/listing/jgrpp <- I really like this :) It is a nice addition :)

15:04:31 <frosch123> ah, those are trains... i was wondering the other day what they were...

15:04:43 <frosch123> i think i settled for aliens

15:09:36 <_dp_> Current date: 19353-06-30 xD

15:11:11 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] frosch123 opened issue #7: Display of ipv6 addresses https://git.io/JUlui

15:13:03 <TrueBrain> frosch123: pretty sure that the fix took more time than the issue :P

15:13:45 <frosch123> no, i would have to clone and clone and branch and commit and push and pr

15:16:42 <frosch123> oh, i can use the gh editor for that

15:18:20 <frosch123> hmm, i think that would make a branch on the official repo though

15:20:41 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] frosch123 opened pull request #8: Fix #7: distinguish ipv6 address and port. https://git.io/JUluh

15:21:20 <frosch123> ok, looks like i could skip 3 of the 6 steps that way

15:21:43 <frosch123> though it is completely untested now :p

15:21:52 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain approved pull request #8: Fix #7: distinguish ipv6 address and port. https://git.io/JUlzv

15:22:03 <TrueBrain> just those dots at the end of commit messages

15:22:07 <TrueBrain> that makes no sense .... :P

15:22:40 <frosch123> hey, i already continued with lowercase after :

15:23:28 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/actions] dependabot[bot] opened pull request #5: Build(deps): Bump node-fetch from 2.6.0 to 2.6.1 in /deploy-aws https://git.io/JUlzk

15:23:42 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/actions] dependabot[bot] opened pull request #6: Build(deps): Bump node-fetch from 2.6.0 to 2.6.1 in /deployments-create https://git.io/JUlzt

15:23:57 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/actions] dependabot[bot] opened pull request #7: Build(deps): Bump node-fetch from 2.6.0 to 2.6.1 in /deployments-update https://git.io/JUlzm

15:24:09 <frosch123> how many will follow?

15:24:18 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/actions] dependabot[bot] opened pull request #8: Build(deps): Bump node-fetch from 2.6.0 to 2.6.1 in /checkout-dispatch https://git.io/JUlzO

15:25:18 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] frosch123 merged pull request #8: Fix #7: distinguish ipv6 address and port. https://git.io/JUluh

15:25:20 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] frosch123 closed issue #7: Display of ipv6 addresses https://git.io/JUlui

15:26:33 <LordAro> uh, why are there 3 PRs apparently for the same thing?

15:26:34 <frosch123> does the list on staging magically fill with the real servers? or does it stay empty unless you patch your server?

15:34:35 <_dp_> ppl keep doing events with breakdowns and I got too annoyed building stupid depots everywhere xD

15:36:19 <frosch123> just cheat with overflow depots before the loading station

15:36:57 <_dp_> it's bad if loading time is too long

15:37:10 <_dp_> so I build overflow before and forced service after

15:40:12 <_dp_> not overflow but whatever

15:41:31 <_dp_> also it super annoying whet people in same company are fighting for service interval :p

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15:44:33 <_dp_> why are some ppl even setting it to 5%, doesn't it just screw all the pathfinding?

15:44:57 <TrueBrain> frosch123: someone would have to add a server for it to show up on staging :P It is no longer shared

15:46:16 <TrueBrain> Invalid file descriptor: -1 <- wtf is asyncio doing? :P

15:47:25 <TrueBrain> "socket.accept() out of system resource"

15:47:40 <TrueBrain> something is not closing sockets ...

15:57:44 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain opened pull request #10: Fix: close the UDP socket when we are done with it https://git.io/JUlgm

15:57:54 <TrueBrain> I think this solves it, but very hard to validate ..

16:02:50 <frosch123> try..finally :) poor with...-fanboys

16:03:01 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] frosch123 approved pull request #10: Fix: close the UDP socket when we are done with it https://git.io/JUlgc

16:03:26 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #10: Fix: close the UDP socket when we are done with it https://git.io/JUlgm

16:03:45 <TrueBrain> what I didn't know, that if a task is cancelled, an exception is thrown inside the task

16:03:50 <TrueBrain> the reason finally-statements do hit

16:04:16 <TrueBrain> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.4 https://git.io/JUlg8

16:04:24 <TrueBrain> we will see in an hour if this fixed anything :D

16:06:26 <TrueBrain> okay, I can confirm that fixes leaking fds :D

16:06:33 <TrueBrain> I forgot in linux you can just see how many fds are open

16:07:23 <frosch123> i know how to use /proc, but you can see that inside an aws container?

16:07:38 <TrueBrain> no, I was reproducing this locally

16:07:41 <TrueBrain> and that was easy enough :D

16:07:57 <TrueBrain> or just "ls /proc/<pid>/fd | wc -l"

16:09:37 <TrueBrain> either way, fd-leak should be gone now :)

16:09:43 <TrueBrain> how silly of me .. leaking fds :P

16:10:12 <TrueBrain> and I absolutely love sentry :) Shows really quickly what is going wrong where :)

16:10:57 <TrueBrain> I also like the infra btw ... the pods crashed, but there was a new one running before anyone would really notice :)

16:12:46 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.2 https://git.io/JUlg1

16:12:52 <TrueBrain> let's bring your [] fix online :)

16:14:12 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.4.0 https://git.io/JUlgS

16:14:20 <TrueBrain> and let's bring the new security pages to production :)

16:14:38 <frosch123> now you are just flipping switches :p

16:14:51 <TrueBrain> it is sad, the moment you realise the infra is more active than the game :P

16:15:21 <TrueBrain> and yes, I really do enjoy that I can just punch a few buttons and in a moment we have a brand new version online .. I absolutely love it

16:25:57 <frosch123> i was scary to edit via gh interface and not test it :)

16:38:00 <TrueBrain> Pfft, have a bit of faith :p

16:38:59 <frosch123> i am a c++ programmer. [] have very different meaning in a lot of places :p

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19:10:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: that will be a great AI when fully trained :)

19:10:46 <frosch123> the bugs are the two functions who have english names

19:23:40 <Wolf01> Added by the developer after decompiling?

19:31:27 <frosch123> decompiled javascript?

19:46:33 <Wolf01> Unminified and prettified

20:22:06 <TrueBrain> No sentry errors anymore so far .. guess it is stable :D

20:25:24 <TrueBrain> Another VM I can delete \o/

20:25:35 <frosch123> does the wiki have its own instance?

20:29:28 <TrueBrain> No .... I just ignore its existence.. it is easier that way

20:30:22 <TrueBrain> Tomorrow I am first going to check out your wiki work, and how rusty my Ruby is ...

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20:57:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm assuming ruby gets more rusty when you learn rust? :p

21:00:07 * _dp_ missing rust enums in c++

21:05:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i've never actually looked into what rust actually is

21:06:13 <frosch123> it has the stuff that modern c++ is about, but without the legacy stuff that c++ has to suffer from

21:40:33 <TrueBrain> the master-server database size is current a wopping 300 kB

21:45:54 <_dp_> TrueBrain, whoa, bigdata :p

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22:21:24 <TrueBrain> and it uses ~2 RCU and 6 WCU (in case you know DynamoDB) .. which is ... 2 euro a month? :P

22:21:28 <TrueBrain> (well, it is within the free-tier

22:21:46 <TrueBrain> cheapest database evah

22:35:59 <_dp_> I did some dynamodb years ago but only thing I remember is that I had to do some stupid crap with data schema to reduce costs

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22:45:42 <TrueBrain> it is a very simple database

22:45:56 <TrueBrain> but only a single index, with at most a single "filter" that is quick/cheap

22:46:34 <TrueBrain> so it took me a bit of time to model something for the master-server that worked :P

22:46:38 <TrueBrain> total of 2 tables and 6 indexes :D

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