IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2020-06-29
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00:22:06 <b_jonas> it's time to build up my transcontinental oil empire
00:22:46 <b_jonas> there are more than enough oil rigs for it now
00:31:05 <b_jonas> I know it's not a very good strategy to earn money yet, because I don't have fast trains, but eventually I will have fast trains and the tracks will be layed by then
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03:16:36 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP https://git.io/JJvoV
03:30:58 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP https://git.io/JJvoP
04:48:59 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz updated pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP https://git.io/Jf9yI
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05:17:15 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP https://git.io/JJv6n
05:18:23 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP https://git.io/JJv6c
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09:55:55 <andythenorth> in what world would I not want to use SSL/TLS?
10:00:38 <LordAro> though more usually, whatever you want to connect to the site/bucket doesn't support it
10:03:31 <andythenorth> don't most browsers now block websites that aren't SSL/TLS?
10:03:38 * andythenorth may be out of the loop
10:03:52 <LordAro> they just display little "unsecure" messages at the top
10:04:48 <andythenorth> maybe I'm conflating that with the 'certificate expired' warnings which block progress
10:05:10 <LordAro> (and also mismatched domains)
10:06:10 <andythenorth> anyway, I'll need to learn all this cloudfront bollocks :)
10:06:18 <andythenorth> http only is just weird in 2020
10:08:34 * andythenorth looking in the TLD list
10:08:49 <andythenorth> used to buy domains all the time for web projects, haven't bought one for years
10:09:04 <andythenorth> andythenorth.industries?
10:09:57 <andythenorth> I guess I'm just registering a personal site
10:10:06 <andythenorth> afaict, community grf stuff like coop is dead
10:10:39 <andythenorth> shame there's no .bananas tld :P
10:19:57 <nielsm> look, bananas.tt would be perfect
10:23:01 <andythenorth> I wondered if there was .game
10:23:04 <andythenorth> couldn't see it :P
10:23:32 <LordAro> something like that would be only a matter of time, i would think
10:44:31 <andythenorth> I started searching for Github Actions, to learn it
10:44:45 <andythenorth> but all I'm getting is results for pre-baked magical plugins
10:44:57 <andythenorth> not how to start from scratch
10:48:46 <LordAro> andythenorth: you can look at what we did for dorpsgek & nml
10:54:08 <andythenorth> I guess it has to reinstall the deps on every run
10:54:16 <andythenorth> but I'm not bothered about cycle times
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12:09:27 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Guernsey
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13:01:19 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison opened issue #8249: CMake: Not possible to cross-compile due to settinsgen/strgen https://git.io/JJvbJ
13:25:06 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #8249: CMake: Not possible to cross-compile due to settinsgen/strgen https://git.io/JJvbJ
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14:28:32 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #8249: CMake: Not possible to cross-compile due to settinsgen/strgen https://git.io/JJvbJ
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16:12:17 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP https://git.io/JJffx
16:27:28 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP https://git.io/JJfJi
16:57:47 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP https://git.io/JJfU5
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19:35:22 <andythenorth> andythenorth.dog
19:35:27 <andythenorth> andythenorth.cat
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20:05:38 <andythenorth> oof I hate choosing domain names :D
20:07:44 <andythenorth> andythenorth.com might be free
20:07:51 <andythenorth> nothing in whois for it
20:08:05 <andythenorth> is that a good name to replace bundles?
20:08:48 <Wolf01> ottdcuratedgrfbundles.com
20:09:33 <nielsm> sorry but that should really be .info, anything else would be absurd
20:11:49 <andythenorth> TrueBrain how hard was it to use a domain that wasn't registered via Amazon's Route 53 thing?
20:20:48 <andythenorth> oh there's a .fail TLD
20:20:52 <andythenorth> andythenorth.fail
20:20:56 <andythenorth> there's also .farm
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20:43:47 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: AWS doesn't care if it hosts a domain or not
20:44:23 <TrueBrain> if you want a custom domain name on an S3 bucket, with indexing, you have to use cloudfront to have https
20:44:37 <TrueBrain> Create certificate via AWS Certificate (this is a must; cannot be any other CA)
20:44:53 <TrueBrain> Create AWS Cloudfront entry with the certificate and point to the S3 bucket
20:45:01 <TrueBrain> wait till it provisions .. wait .. wait ... wait ... wait ...
20:45:06 <TrueBrain> CNAME your subdomain to the cloudfront domain
20:45:20 <TrueBrain> if you don't want the CNAME, you need to deligate the (sub)domain to Route53
20:45:37 <TrueBrain> we do this for openttd.org, where only the domains that are moved to AWS are on Route53, via subdeligation (NS deligation in this case)
20:45:52 <TrueBrain> www.openttd.org -> CNAME to www.aws.openttd.org -> on Route 53 with ALIAS to CloudFront entry
20:46:18 <TrueBrain> but I do this because I very much dislike CNAMEs outside the domain
20:48:10 <andythenorth> ok so in principle, coop bundles could move to S3
20:48:23 <andythenorth> I'm potato / potato, but inventing a new domain name is boring :P
20:48:30 <TrueBrain> but it is all or nothing
20:48:37 <andythenorth> I have no ability to control bundles ofc :)
20:52:38 <TrueBrain> from a practical point of view, it is easier to pick a new domain and move stuff there, instead of a big-bang
20:52:41 <TrueBrain> believe me ... I know :P
21:00:33 <andythenorth> ok, so I need a name
21:00:37 <andythenorth> maybe a forum poll? :P
21:11:53 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7947: Fix #7945: Add cost of clearing the sloped tile when placing a dock https://git.io/JJfZ8
21:12:37 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP https://git.io/JJfZE
21:14:31 <TrueBrain> if you want it for more than you alone, do something like openttd-content
21:15:04 <TrueBrain> yes, you need a poll :P
21:17:58 <frosch123> i think this channel is a simulation
21:18:11 <TrueBrain> life is a simulation, so what makes this channel more special?
21:18:16 <frosch123> same topic as when i left a few days ago
21:18:22 <frosch123> it just paused while i was gone
21:18:42 <TrueBrain> it is like OpenTTD, it pauses when there is nobody here
21:18:53 <TrueBrain> (and yes, I am calling andythenorth and me nobody :P)
21:21:02 <milek7> /mode #openttd min_active_clients=0
21:21:12 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP https://git.io/JJfZN
21:21:13 <TrueBrain> frosch123: does it also work for my bankaccount, you think? If I dont look, it is the same as I left it last?
21:22:08 <frosch123> there are different pause modes, some discard commands, others queue them
21:23:46 <b_jonas> in hotkeys.cfg , which entry sets the hotkey for the tile query (question mark in blue disk) tool?
21:24:36 <frosch123> check the maintoolbar section
21:25:29 <b_jonas> frosch123: yes, that's what I'm looking at
21:26:24 <b_jonas> there's "ai_debug", "client_list", "sign_list" but I don't think any of those is it
21:26:35 <frosch123> src/toolbar_gui.cpp: Hotkey(WKC_F12, "land_info", MTEHK_LANDINFO)
21:27:01 <TrueBrain> put it on the wiki for the next person to find easier! :)
21:27:04 <b_jonas> that's only in sceneedit_maintoolbar
21:27:21 <b_jonas> unless I accidentally deleted it from the normal maintoolbar section during my edits
21:28:25 <frosch123> looks like hotkeys are different in-game and in-se
21:29:11 <b_jonas> the tools are different, so that makes sense
21:32:03 <andythenorth> andythenorth.kitchen
21:32:26 <TrueBrain> lolz ... keep it sane plz :)
21:33:11 <andythenorth> there's always .net
21:33:29 <frosch123> i still like newgrf.fail
21:33:52 <andythenorth> can we register that with openttd donations?
21:36:10 <milek7> gamescript.sucks (not really)
21:36:43 <TrueBrain> sounds realistic :P
21:41:14 <frosch123> andy is the only user, right?
21:43:50 <andythenorth> I just read the docs locally
21:44:02 <TrueBrain> ask if you can have andy.openttdcoop.org
21:45:12 <b_jonas> check if they accept it under the .travel domain :-)
21:50:36 <andythenorth> I just want this because I keep getting asked about bundles
21:50:52 <andythenorth> de-facto I'm responsible for answering bundles questions :)
21:50:59 <andythenorth> because my stuff is there
21:51:13 <andythenorth> so I get DMs and stuff about why bundles is not maintained
21:52:33 <TrueBrain> so happy about that
21:52:36 <TrueBrain> helps I am not on twitter etc :P
21:52:54 <nielsm> TrueBrain: did you figure anything out for the email?
21:53:05 <TrueBrain> nein; also haven't looked any further tbh
21:53:12 <TrueBrain> the russian one still scares me to death and back
21:53:38 <nielsm> yeah I think even if it's "safe", there's a big risk of being randomly blocked by recipients
21:54:09 <TrueBrain> mostly I have been wondering if anyone has been sending mails FROM @openttd.org in the last 5 years, excluding info@
21:54:15 <nielsm> I talked to my friend at the company running mxhotel.dk, they can't sponsor us, but I think it's still worth a look
21:54:28 <nielsm> you should send them a mail salg@mxhotel.dk and ask for a quote
21:55:05 <TrueBrain> well, do devs really need a mailbox, or is a forward sufficient?
21:55:19 <nielsm> a forward is probably enough for most
21:55:31 <frosch123> TrueBrain: i am strongly in favour of deleting all mails except info@
21:55:58 <TrueBrain> I think I am the only one who sends mail as truebrain@, for various of infra contacts
21:56:03 <frosch123> no forward needed either
21:56:27 <TrueBrain> frosch123: well, we need forwards, as we need things like github accounts bound to us :)
21:56:31 <TrueBrain> so it is not THAT simple :)
21:57:05 <frosch123> looks like i answered a mail 2019-06-28, 1 year 1 day ago :p
21:57:13 <TrueBrain> let me check the server logs
21:59:22 <TrueBrain> translators@, info@, truebrain@ and pm were used this year
22:00:04 <andythenorth> are emails used for any transactional services, activation emails, billing etc?
22:00:11 <andythenorth> otherwise just scrap them :P
22:00:20 <frosch123> andythenorth: if you own info@, you own ottd
22:00:31 <TrueBrain> that I just pointed out andythenorth ;)
22:00:56 <TrueBrain> but okay, only having info@ as a real mailbox would make things a lot easier
22:01:07 <TrueBrain> that would mean nobody can email from <devname>@openttd.org anymore
22:01:16 <TrueBrain> which, again, is most likely hurting me more than anyone else :P
22:02:17 <frosch123> TrueBrain: what is wrong with "devname (OpenTTD)" <info@> ?
22:02:49 <TrueBrain> well, for me that won't work, but it seems nobody else is using their @openttd.org to sent anyway :) but yeah, good solution
22:03:16 <TrueBrain> and for myself, I just have to change some mail accounts to something like openttd@truebrain.nl or what-ever
22:04:19 <frosch123> same here, openttd@frosch.fail
22:04:32 <andythenorth> ooh I could use truebrain.nl for my grf server?
22:04:35 <andythenorth> you already have the domain :)
22:04:51 <TrueBrain> just ... pick .. a .. freaking .. domain :P
22:04:55 <TrueBrain> frosch123: you really have that domain? lol
22:05:10 <frosch123> andythenorth: what do you think is the average number of domains owned by people in this channel?
22:05:16 <andythenorth> I used to have about 130
22:05:22 <frosch123> TrueBrain: no, i just did not want to paste my private one
22:05:24 <andythenorth> now I have...1 I think
22:05:51 <andythenorth> can I get frosch.fail and use it?
22:05:55 <andythenorth> then you get the DMs :P
22:06:07 <frosch123> .fail is actually expensive
22:06:40 <andythenorth> I used to have a blog on it
22:10:27 <TrueBrain> hmm, checking if I can forward more than one address on a 1 user plan of Exchange Online :D
22:10:34 <andythenorth> ok so I'd get bored of andythenorth.fail, but I might get newgrf.fail or grf.fail
22:10:38 <andythenorth> $29 / year is ok
22:12:23 <TrueBrain> please don't use 'openttd' :)
22:12:34 <TrueBrain> well, ^openttd\. that is
22:12:54 <andythenorth> maybe I sleep on it :P
22:13:41 <supermop_Home> should i buy a box of records from japan, or tiny trains from japan?
22:14:01 <supermop_Home> have an amazon gift card and intend to try to use it on .co.jp
22:14:38 <frosch123> TrueBrain: hetzner's smallest email hosting plan is 2€/month for 100 mailboxes and/or forwards
22:14:44 <andythenorth> supermop_Home both
22:15:17 <supermop_Home> andythenorth both are quite expensive
22:15:42 <frosch123> supermop_Home: both are cheap compared to .game
22:16:28 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I do not want our email hosted at hetzner, sorry .. that really is ... no, just no
22:17:11 <frosch123> do i need to be worried that mine is hosted there?
22:17:35 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP https://git.io/JJfCH
22:17:45 <frosch123> andythenorth: you can combine that with a short-url service
22:18:23 <TrueBrain> frosch123: you know the reputation of hetzner, right?
22:18:51 <frosch123> wasn't half of ottd hosted there once?
22:19:17 <TrueBrain> I avoid certain ISPs like the plague :P
22:19:32 <frosch123> pretty sure coop is there
22:20:03 <TrueBrain> for a long time hetzner .. did not .. really care about spammers on their platform. Not sure if this is still true
22:20:12 <TrueBrain> all I know that for a while their whole AS was just spam-listed
22:20:15 <TrueBrain> it was just a lot easier
22:21:28 <TrueBrain> anyway, we can also use the Exchange Online Plan 1, which is 4 dollar a month
22:21:32 <frosch123> ah, ok, i never send mails, only receive them
22:22:34 <TrueBrain> so that might be the most robust solution I think .. they do have one of the best anti-spam solutions :)
22:23:17 <frosch123> does exchange online support imap? or is it outlook vendor-locked?
22:23:42 <frosch123> milek7: not hotmail
22:24:22 <TrueBrain> the only thing I do not know if it is against terms of services to share an account :P
22:25:06 <frosch123> they claim to target companies, so shared info@ should be normal
22:25:22 <TrueBrain> there are shared mailboxes etc, but that is not what I am not sure about
22:25:33 <TrueBrain> having a single user-account that you share
22:25:37 <TrueBrain> might be against terms of service :)
22:27:17 <TrueBrain> yeah, it is against the terms
22:27:25 <TrueBrain> so that doesn't work :P
22:28:06 <milek7> outlook was the one with guility-by-default policy
22:28:08 <milek7> no delivery to them unless you sign up on their website
22:35:42 <TrueBrain> frosch123: so with hetzner you get a free website with those mailboxes :P
22:36:54 <frosch123> in theory, but you only have ftp access
22:36:59 <frosch123> and ftp cannot even truncate files
22:37:05 <frosch123> it was hillarious when i tried
22:37:28 <frosch123> i did not know that ftp was so broken
22:41:26 <TrueBrain> lolz, what you can do is put something like helpmonks in front of exchange online, making it appear like 1 user :)
22:41:37 <TrueBrain> but yeah, the more reason not to use hetzner frosch123 , sory :P
22:41:59 <TrueBrain> too bad the platforms with hive-anti-spam are expensive these days
22:43:12 <TrueBrain> although spam at @openttd.org is in an all time low I believe :P
22:43:29 <milek7> in the end decided to host my mail myself
22:44:12 <frosch123> TrueBrain: most spam are newsletters
22:45:38 <frosch123> like: openttd 1.10.2 is now hosted on dodgysite.game, you can put dodgybanner onto your frontpage to indicate that
22:45:57 <TrueBrain> yeah, not much we can do to prevent those tbh
22:46:58 <frosch123> btw. will we still get a digitalocean invoice in 2 days?
22:47:14 <TrueBrain> I keep forgetting to clean up the last bits and pieces
22:47:38 <TrueBrain> they are now out of retention, so removing should be fine .. will take care of that before the end of next month :)
22:47:41 <TrueBrain> it is only 5 dollar btw
22:48:20 <frosch123> yes, we had ovh banner on our page for 5 years, despite not being sponsored
22:48:42 <TrueBrain> that wasn't my fault :)
22:49:13 <TrueBrain> DO is; and the 500 dollar bill on AWS this month too :P (we have plenty of credits to never see that bill :D)
22:50:00 <frosch123> it was worth aro's reaction, when he asked whether there wasn't a prettier option for the logo
22:50:57 <frosch123> i already said everything. he asked whether there isn't a prettier banner, i answered that we were not sponsored anyway
22:51:11 <TrueBrain> but what was his reaction!
22:51:42 <TrueBrain> yeah, the OVH sponsorship ended weird .. I believe someone just stopped asking for the yearly extension or something
22:52:21 <TrueBrain> 4800 dollar remaining on AWS, for 6 more months
22:52:28 <TrueBrain> guess that will do just fine for now
22:52:49 <frosch123> planetmaker: aw, since when are the irc logs truncated in 2018?
22:53:11 <TrueBrain> I found out that I have irc logs back to 2004
22:53:17 <TrueBrain> I only miss some data between 2007 and 2009
22:53:23 <TrueBrain> silly, how that happens
22:53:32 <frosch123> well, look on [Wednesday, August 30, 2017] [11:14:23 PM CEST]
22:54:13 <frosch123> actually, not worth looking it up
22:54:32 <frosch123> the imagination is better
22:54:43 <TrueBrain> I have no logs of that date :D Lolz .. wuth ..
22:54:48 <TrueBrain> Aug 30 2016 I do have
22:55:58 <TrueBrain> ah, I cannot search
22:57:11 <TrueBrain> [Wednesday, August 30, 2017] [11:25:15 PM] <frosch123> andythenorth: only "new bananas"
22:57:15 <TrueBrain> took a few years to get to that :P
23:23:15 <b_jonas> I should pay attention to the two bonus tiles that are part of the oil rig even though they look just like water
23:26:33 <andythenorth> also sleeping time!
23:26:47 <andythenorth> today was weird, nothing went as expected
23:26:55 <andythenorth> I try tomorrow, see how that goes :P
23:47:26 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz updated pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP https://git.io/Jf9yI
23:59:02 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP https://git.io/JJf4V
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