IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2020-06-25
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01:06:22 <FLHerne> I should do something about this
01:08:31 <dP> try subscribing to mailing lists
01:09:18 <dP> about 5k from openttd github xD
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13:35:00 <milek7> I bought 4K displays :D
13:46:33 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh approved pull request #8235: Fix for 'Huge screenshot' warning being shown incorrectly https://git.io/JfhM2
13:46:36 <andythenorth> is is it wicked?
13:48:53 <milek7> everything is tiny now
13:57:19 <andythenorth> I have a 3k laptop screen
13:57:35 <andythenorth> if I set it to native resolution everything is sooooo tiny
14:04:13 <milek7> but various dpi settings in various app will be annoying
14:07:32 <Flygon> I can't wait for 4K to be standard.
14:09:02 <andythenorth> on the mac, the move to hidpi (retina) is one of the things that absolutely killed OpenTTD performance
14:09:08 <andythenorth> not sure how it goes for other platforms
14:09:17 <andythenorth> it's just got to push a lot more pixels to the screen
14:14:42 <milek7> slower, but doesn't seem too bad
14:23:21 <milek7> I can't tell why, but something feels wrong
14:23:35 <milek7> pixel-perfect UI doesn't survive scaling very well
14:29:26 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Can you not turn it off?
14:29:52 <andythenorth> only by buying a different computer
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15:57:40 <milek7> eh, gtk doesn't support fractional scaling
16:07:29 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Most HiDPI things have some form of pixel-doubling mode, either globally or per-application?
16:07:34 <FLHerne> I'm sure Macs used to
16:07:55 <andythenorth> still have to paint the number of pixels in the display
16:08:07 <andythenorth> maybe the display hardware can do that
16:08:18 <andythenorth> just switch on 4 at once
16:08:48 <milek7> 2x scale on gpu shader should be almost free
16:09:04 <andythenorth> mac laptops have absolutely crap gpus
16:10:08 <andythenorth> Radeon Pro 5500M
16:10:16 <andythenorth> if it's running on mains power
16:10:25 <andythenorth> otherwise some intel integrated thing
16:10:48 <andythenorth> playing games, it's seriously outclassed by my kids ipads
16:11:14 <andythenorth> the 2D graphics performance is also *horrible*
16:11:30 <milek7> maybe it's just crap drivers
16:11:46 <andythenorth> crap hardware, crap drivers
16:12:30 <andythenorth> apple world is not what it used to be
16:16:02 <FLHerne> > maybe it's just crap drivers < yes
16:16:27 <FLHerne> Phoronix has done a few benchmarks of macOS vs Windows vs Linux on the same hardware
16:16:46 <FLHerne> Windows and Linux ~equal, macOS ~20% slower
16:17:20 <FLHerne> Maybe with their own GPUs at some poin it'll be better?
16:17:38 <FLHerne> As you say, their mobile performance is impressive
16:23:08 <andythenorth> in some places the mac is fine
16:23:13 <andythenorth> in other places it's running on fumes
16:23:26 <andythenorth> it used to be a simpler product, and there was a period 2000-2010 when it was rock solid
16:24:02 <andythenorth> I suspect it's constant work to attract and retain very high calibre engineering staff for the mac
16:24:19 <andythenorth> and in places clown shoes appear
16:24:57 <andythenorth> they're not worth the current premium unless you're already invested in the ecosystem
16:25:16 <andythenorth> there was a time when I would unhesitatingly recommend macs to anyone who didn't want to deal with 'actual computer'
16:25:37 <andythenorth> now its more like 'potato / potato', it's all the same
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17:43:56 <snail_UES_> andythenorth: apple was on top of the world when steve jobs came back
17:44:10 <snail_UES_> in 2001 I switched from windows 95 to Mac OS 9.2 and it was like from hell to heaven
17:44:27 <andythenorth> I switched when it was mac os 8
17:44:30 <andythenorth> and things only got better
17:44:42 <snail_UES_> now OS X is trying to retain windows users, and catalina forces us to abandon 32-bit apps
17:45:10 <andythenorth> it was funny that OS 8 and 9 crashed so much, that (1) restart time was used in the marketing (2) there was an actual 'restart' button
18:01:47 <FLHerne> System 7 was the greatest
18:01:57 <FLHerne> I still have my install CD for 7.6 somewhere
18:02:41 <FLHerne> I remember downgrading from 9 to 8, because the former sucked
18:06:45 <arikover> I remember the 2nd generation iMac "Snow" was bundled with 9.2 and the first OSX.
18:07:22 <arikover> With some sort of dual boot.
18:28:10 <andythenorth> I remember getting the OS X beta CD
19:03:44 <supermop_Home> whatever ran on my dad's SE/30 was the greatest
19:09:40 <andythenorth> let's play tanks
19:13:41 <FLHerne> You should draw tanks for OTTD
19:13:53 <FLHerne> There are so many kinds of well wagon
19:14:13 <FLHerne> And military trains have all kinds of weird formations
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19:45:52 <DorpsGek_III> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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20:21:15 <supermop_Home> yayoi kusama air maxes but only for sale in japan :(
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21:37:52 <andythenorth> FLHerne reddit requested that
21:38:07 <andythenorth> can't be military themed though eh
21:45:39 <FLHerne> I think so long as the base game has that "fighter jet blows up a refinery" disaster it's hard to defend that as a real policy :p
21:47:36 <milek7> I don't think these objectives are binding to newgrf content?
21:48:02 <milek7> anyway, hard to argue that tanks are unsuitable for children
21:49:31 <andythenorth> well I've stuck to the rule :)
21:49:42 <andythenorth> even though military themes don't bother me
21:49:48 <andythenorth> quite fascinated by war and stuff
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