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10:42:28 <andythenorth_> it's TrueBrain!
10:43:18 <TrueBrain> did you see my question yesterday in the ticket?
10:46:54 <andythenorth_> TrueBrain which ticket?
10:47:05 <TrueBrain> more thumbnails are wrong :P
10:47:07 <TrueBrain> but those are older :D
10:47:33 <TrueBrain> I was hoping you could fix those too :)
10:47:53 <andythenorth_> probably darthrafael as well
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10:53:22 <andythenorth_> I am going to do gardening, but I will fix those in a bit
10:53:48 <andythenorth_> we could automate them, but then we'd have to have pillow or imagemagick in the build :P
11:18:57 <TrueBrain> cool, AWS warns me we are most likely going over (a by me random configured) budget this month, how sweet :)
11:20:22 <TrueBrain> yeah, price of bandwidth is the biggest hit :)
11:30:23 <SpComb> what's eating up bandwidth?
11:30:33 <SpComb> or transfer, should I say
11:43:47 <TrueBrain> yeah, the costs started off with 0.5 dollar per day, and are now 2 dollar per day
11:43:52 <TrueBrain> so that is quiet an increase in traffic :)
11:44:48 <TrueBrain> lol .. from the 12/13th there is a huge increase in traffic :P
11:44:53 <TrueBrain> there might be a correlation with world events :D
11:46:39 <TrueBrain> mostly for 1.9.3 windows binary :)
11:48:04 <TrueBrain> last friday, the game was downloaded from the CDN 1700 times for 1.9.3 and 500 times for 1.10.0-RC1 (all Windows 64bit)
11:48:13 <TrueBrain> Linux ofc goes via distros,so we have no numbers for that
11:48:37 <TrueBrain> 6th of March, 2 weeks early, this was 900 times for 1.9.3 and 350 times for 1.10.0-RC1
11:48:44 <TrueBrain> so ... twice as much people downloading the game? :)
11:50:50 <Samu> 1.9.3 more popular than 1.10?
11:51:26 <TrueBrain> 10% of the games are from China btw :D At least, GeoIP says so
11:54:54 <TrueBrain> so yeah, the price increase is totally justified :) I like how stable everything is humming on AWS .. we really should migrate the rest too :D
11:54:59 <TrueBrain> wish I had more free time :P
12:01:12 <Wolf01> I have like 1.5 more hours (because I don't need to move) but I can't understand where they go, because I'm doing the same things in the same time and no more things
12:08:02 <TrueBrain> haha, I have the same issue :D
12:08:39 <Wolf01> Yes, it looks like that puzzle with triangles where you add a square and maintains the same area
12:39:03 <TrueBrain> right, so BaNaNaS ... were did I leave that .. hmm ..
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13:09:51 <andythenorth> I need to lop some branches off a tree
13:09:55 <andythenorth> under the tree is a hot tub
13:10:03 <andythenorth> the hot tub is inflatable
13:10:17 <andythenorth> [this is not a dungeon text adventure]
13:24:13 <andythenorth> it's mostly a maths game :P
13:27:16 <TrueBrain> okay, seems I did most of the TODOs for the API
13:27:24 <TrueBrain> next step would be to make it run on AWS
13:27:43 <TrueBrain> but for that it also kinda needs the frontend :D
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15:02:52 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #8035: Fix: Non-applicable goal in global goals list is no longer clickable https://git.io/JvrFj
15:05:14 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #8033: Change: A company goal type will open the company overview window when clicked https://git.io/Jvr58
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15:16:05 <TrueBrain> okay, locally you can now add content and see it back ingame :)
15:16:13 <TrueBrain> well, you have to restart the server, as it doesn't notice file-changes yet
15:16:15 <TrueBrain> but that is about it :P
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15:37:24 <andythenorth> hello supermop_Home_
16:05:07 <TrueBrain> that really does look a lot better
16:05:49 <TrueBrain> lets move that to production shall we ;)
16:23:46 <LordAro> right, so we've got a week
16:23:50 <LordAro> what still needs doing?
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16:33:32 <TrueBrain> backports? language backports?
16:38:09 <LordAro> i think there's already an open backports PR
16:38:18 <LordAro> not sure if there's anything else that needs adding to it
16:38:41 <LordAro> should probably look deeper into the remaining pathfinder issues
16:38:43 <TrueBrain> lot of language changes not backported I see :) That is a positive thing, I guess, that translators are still really ative
16:38:58 <LordAro> yes, language backports also needed
16:39:07 <LordAro> i should dig out frosch's script..
16:39:57 <TrueBrain> needs to be executed from the release branch
16:40:21 * glx added some "backport requested" labels
16:40:22 <TrueBrain> it first checks what was added in master to english.txt, and blacklists those IDs .. after that, it syncs up the rest of the languages based on that information
16:40:26 <TrueBrain> no promises of quality etc :P
16:40:59 <glx> and many of them are not reviewed yet
16:41:48 <TrueBrain> hmm .. we could use a bot, that unmarks "backport requested" once such PRs are merged ... NO TRUEBRAIN, FOCUS! BaNaNaS first .. ffs :P
16:42:01 <TrueBrain> dinner time, in that case
16:45:37 <glx> there's a label for backported PRs
16:47:41 <glx> hmm a label that tells if it's already in an apply backport PR would be nice too
17:28:54 <Eddi|zuHause> "backport requested", "backport in progress", "backported"?
17:30:08 <Eddi|zuHause> and discard all "backported" labels when a new release candidate branch is created
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18:14:59 <Fahrradkette> hi everybody. In FIRS 3 is it possible to have primary industries increase production beyond gung-ho, i.e. like "regular" production goes up (mby only if farm/eng supplies are constantly deliverd)
18:30:58 <andythenorth> I have considered that idea though
18:50:11 <Fahrradkette> so having feeder service is kinda pointless i guess?
19:00:25 <andythenorth> I just deliver supplies and don't worry about it :)
19:10:51 <Wolf01> Hmmm, we reached full lockdown now
19:13:11 <andythenorth> new case rate fell for first time
19:13:16 <andythenorth> been waiting to see that
19:13:31 <andythenorth> Italian case growth in spite of lockdown was worrying
19:13:50 <Wolf01> The price of transparency
19:18:47 <LordAro> andythenorth: trouble is, all of these measures have a certain amount of time before they are shown to have any effect
19:19:10 <andythenorth> it's hard to remember who did what when :)
19:19:20 <andythenorth> it's hard to remember what day it is some days :)
19:19:57 <LordAro> i've been wondering whether Boris' daily "announcements" are actually a good idea, given he's now under pressure to announce something new every day
19:23:24 <andythenorth> LordAro have you read the published behavioural insights stuff?
19:23:43 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause days are when the clock changes over
19:24:16 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean twice a year?
19:24:44 <andythenorth> our PM may not be the ideal vehicle for this situation
19:25:08 <Eddi|zuHause> ...or, any situation, really? :p
19:25:23 <andythenorth> he's great for the situation where you need Boris
19:25:30 <andythenorth> i.e. you are Boris
19:25:36 <andythenorth> but the government communications have to walk a line between sounding scary enough to get compliance, and mild enough to get compliance
19:26:12 <andythenorth> it's very easy to get compliance from the clowns who repost about 80% simultaneous infections and total societal collapse on Facebook
19:26:28 <andythenorth> it's why they staged the pub announcement
19:26:54 <andythenorth> we really *don't* want to be doing this as a law-and-order matter
19:28:40 <rotterdxm> which I appreciate, ngl
19:41:01 <andythenorth> it's much harder to get compliance from the keep-calm-and-carry-on crowd
19:41:21 <andythenorth> and if its too stringent, they just think bugger you, I'm English
19:45:48 <DorpsGek_III_> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
19:56:59 <nielsm> remember to go vote for the title screen
19:58:50 <andythenorth> do we know what's needed to ad it to the repo?
20:02:06 <LordAro> oh, and update credits, i think
20:03:59 <LordAro> apparently not for the favourite
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20:45:30 <supermop_Home_> weather has gotten very nice the past few days to coincide with no one supposed to go out
20:45:58 <LordAro> likewise across the Atlantic
20:46:29 <supermop_Home_> lots of teens home from school and 20-ish people home from university, cooped up in new York apartments with their parents..
20:46:38 <supermop_Home_> not sure how long compliance will last
20:46:54 <supermop_Home_> we are still allowed to go for walks and runs
20:47:33 <supermop_Home_> running Friday night along the river in 70 degree weather, was full of 20-somethings hanging out....
20:50:41 <supermop_Home_> as fate would have it I've just been working on a deadline all week anyway so I don't really notice not being able to go out
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21:24:56 <Samu> I'm staring at screenshots
21:25:04 <Samu> trying to decide where to vote
21:47:16 <Samu> we can already see the results'
22:19:30 <glx> super heavy truck I guess
22:27:56 <Eddi|zuHause> steel does tend to have high weight for its volume
22:45:23 <andythenorth> some kind of bridge formula
22:45:32 <andythenorth> and high max weights
22:48:51 <supermop_Home_> andythenorth well I guess they are still making steel in ohio?
22:48:57 <supermop_Home_> as of last week at least
22:49:18 <supermop_Home_> i guess you don't need to stand that close to each other at a steelmill
22:49:36 <snail_UES_> supermop_Home_: Trump needs them to keep working, or they won’t vote for him anymore :p
22:49:44 <snail_UES_> OH is an important swing state...
22:55:30 <spnda> Idk if anyone knows any solution to this. But on my NRS patch I keep getting crashes if I have a my default graphics reference a switch, then the spritelayout.
22:55:46 <spnda> It crashes on DrawTileSSeqStruct::IsTerminator() in sprite.h:43
22:58:58 <Eddi|zuHause> was ohio one of the states where they cancelled the election?
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23:19:55 <andythenorth> I just looked up UK annual death rate from smoking
23:20:40 <LordAro> people die a lot, as it turns out
23:21:01 <andythenorth> 78k attributable directly to smoking per year
23:21:21 <andythenorth> I have a circle of friends on social media who are campaigning for complete UK lockdown
23:21:36 <andythenorth> I was just curious if they campaign to make smoking illegal also
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23:26:29 <milek7> andythenorth: smoking isn't infectious, though
23:26:41 <andythenorth> and it's self-inflicted
23:26:46 <andythenorth> the argument doesn't hold up
23:27:17 <andythenorth> just that there's stuff that kills us all the time, but we don't declare martial law to prevent it
23:31:07 <milek7> lockdown for other stuff won't help, it works only for infections
23:31:25 <andythenorth> lockdown of smoking would prevent smoking
23:31:33 <andythenorth> lockdown of food would prevent obesity
23:31:51 <andythenorth> lockdown of alcohol would prevent accident, violence, and alcohol related illness
23:32:10 <andythenorth> I'm not against social distancing and enforced compliance of that
23:32:20 <andythenorth> just have some friends who are quite....dunno
23:32:36 <milek7> because prohibiting drugs prevent addictions? ... oh wait
23:32:36 <andythenorth> dramatic about it
23:33:30 <andythenorth> I don't want to look like I'm arguing against something I support :)
23:33:35 <andythenorth> I just think drama doesn't help much
23:34:03 <andythenorth> calling for 'the army should be on the streets' etc
23:34:14 <andythenorth> also these are my most left-wing, marxist friends
23:34:22 <andythenorth> any other time they'd be so against the state
23:36:22 <milek7> from outside, UK inaction seems insane
23:37:50 <andythenorth> all restaurants, pubs are shut, up to 2m people losing jobs, most people in office jobs working at home
23:38:05 <andythenorth> all non-essential operations cancelled to free up hospitals
23:38:20 <andythenorth> most GP surgeries closed to patients
23:39:32 <andythenorth> death rate from Italy is scary, so this is proportionate
23:40:24 <andythenorth> but suicides, cancer deaths, mental health issues, divorce and family breakdown, loss of education, bankruptcies also take a toll
23:40:54 * andythenorth doesn't think we need the army on the streets
23:41:26 <andythenorth> I would say this to my friends, but it's not the time or place :)
23:46:48 <milek7> right. (at beginning you just threw one of these annoying "but X is worse!" fallacies, that got me triggered)
23:48:33 <andythenorth> yeah that's a bit like "but what about x" which isn't helpful now (or ever)
23:58:05 <andythenorth> snail_UES_ recolour steam engines to suit consist cargo? o_O
23:58:10 <andythenorth> more black if it's freight?
23:58:49 <snail_UES_> in my set I’m following historical liveries, but usually, colorful engines were used for passenger service
23:59:25 <snail_UES_> with few exceptions (Germany, Italy…)
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