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08:43:16 <andythenorth> Wolf01: the UK model is only a model, but it suggests 1 year of lockdown
08:54:58 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #8038: Fullscreen mode in MacOSX is almost unusable https://git.io/Jv1n7
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10:11:19 <Eddi|zuHause> so, i fell into a youtube black hole for the past 2 days, but i think i finally managed to climb out of it
10:11:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not entirely sure what i learned
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10:19:43 <Eddi|zuHause> "this is 2 dwarf fortress players who try to understand wtf just happened in the game"
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10:22:31 <andythenorth> just don't do it again
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11:59:42 <andythenorth> @seen andythenorth
11:59:42 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 1 hour, 37 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <andythenorth> just don't do it again
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12:21:46 <DorpsGek> LordAro: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 22 minutes and 3 seconds ago: <andythenorth> @seen andythenorth
12:22:08 <andythenorth> I was trying to figure out our seen implementation I want one for work irc
12:22:17 <andythenorth> can't see it in dorpsgek source
12:22:49 <LordAro> DorpsGek != DorpsGek_III_
12:22:55 <Eddi|zuHause> just a regular supybot, right?
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12:31:04 <DorpsGek> dwfreed: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.4.1. The newest version available online is 0.83.4.1.
12:31:26 <dwfreed> original SupyBot, rather than Limnoria; vintage
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14:47:36 <arikover> andythenorth: In FIRS 4.0.0-alpha1, the Steeltown economy has no goods. Instead, houses are willing to accept Carbon Steel.
14:48:24 <arikover> Do people in TT-World Steeltown believe Carbon Steel has any use against COV-19?
14:48:27 <andythenorth> there are only two solutions
14:48:39 <andythenorth> 1. do a full house set inside FIRS
14:48:45 <andythenorth> 2. delete Steeltown
14:48:54 <andythenorth> 2 is much less work than 1
14:51:06 <arikover> This is not a problem, I'm guessing people are keen on having sturdy carbon steel shelves in their cellar.
14:51:31 <arikover> Wait. Are you planning to delete Steeltown as well?
14:52:44 <andythenorth> it's the only good thing in FIRS
14:53:57 <arikover> apart from the graphics, and the other economies you mean? ;)
14:54:14 <andythenorth> the other economies are 'fine' but not 'good' :D
14:54:37 <arikover> The graphics are good.
14:55:03 <arikover> So that makes another good thing in FIRS.
14:56:46 <arikover> Steeltown is a great economy.
15:00:54 <Samu> i can't make my ai to reliably profit with infrastructure maintenance costs :(
15:03:11 <arikover> andythenorth: 'In a hot country' is somewhat fun as well. Are you planning to remove it?
15:03:16 <Eddi|zuHause> so you want to call it "good" vs "great", instead of "fine" vs. "good"?
15:03:24 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like a simple cultural difference
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15:15:30 <andythenorth> IAHC is gone in v4, will return
15:15:45 <andythenorth> I like the concept
15:22:34 <Samu> i have a challenge for any AI maker
15:23:11 <Samu> make your AI profitable unbankrouptable with aircraft and infrastructure maintenance costs enabled, and costs set to high
15:23:47 <Samu> airplane crashes reduced
15:24:53 <Samu> inflation off, because inflation is just bad
15:29:38 <Samu> do you think anybody will attend this request?
15:29:45 <Samu> i'll try posting in the forum
15:44:38 <Samu> there is no prize, so i dont think anyone will care :p
15:51:34 <_dp_> Samu, can't be bothered to write ai but that sounds super easy
15:52:15 <_dp_> map size and town size give the most trouble for airplanes
15:52:21 <_dp_> you don't seem to limit either
15:52:36 <_dp_> also no station size limit...
15:53:08 <_dp_> airplanes are second best moneymaker in these conditions
15:53:13 <Samu> only airports, and i hope ppl dont station spread
15:53:52 <_dp_> next to only good pax trains but those are quite hard to do quickly enough to beat planes
15:54:19 <Samu> map size, well... ideally a max of 512x512
15:54:28 <Samu> but i doubt it's possible at that size
15:55:35 <Samu> im currently testing mine on 1024x1024, it's really tough, it's bankrupting either early, or during the transition from small to large
15:58:01 <Samu> because i still insist on aircraft always running full load on my formula :(
15:58:25 <Samu> solving this at this current state, is just... almost impossible lool
16:03:01 <_dp_> hm, I guess 1950 start makes it a bit tricky as there are no decent planes yet
16:03:05 <_dp_> still shouldn't be that hard
16:04:08 <_dp_> also, you didn't mention aircraft speed divider
16:04:16 <_dp_> that has a lot of impact on income as well
16:07:37 <Samu> let me add some more rules then
16:16:11 <Samu> well, i rather just create the config file :o
16:27:03 <Samu> i posted 2 screenshots, maybe i'll just really post the config, just have to clean it
16:33:47 <Samu> damn, the new chromium edge browser is blurry
16:33:55 <Samu> i almost regret using it
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16:41:16 <Samu> snap, i forgout about map size
16:45:31 <Samu> just fixed the blurry text
16:47:17 <Samu> didn't expect a program under microsoft umbrella just as edge to be blurry
16:59:46 <nielsm> you also forgot the airplanespeed setting (or whatever it's called)
17:06:58 <Samu> only 60 aircraft, my ai disappoints me
17:15:03 <Samu> now it's not building heliports... i just fail at this
17:15:16 <Samu> the more i touch the code, the more it breaks
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18:53:40 <Samu> on a 1024x1024 map, my AI was on a constant struggle, but it finally took off!
18:54:05 <Samu> i can't succeed on 512x512 :(
18:55:12 <Samu> i used to only add an aircraft if there was at least "aircraft capacity" waiting at the stations
18:55:29 <Samu> i changed it to 100 waiting at the stations, a magic number :&
18:56:03 <Samu> large capacity aircraft still cause headaches
18:59:03 <Samu> at this capacity level, i might as well pick other engines :(
19:00:38 <Samu> uh oh, bad news in the horizon, profits have stagnated and are starting to decrease :(
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20:17:56 <andythenorth> supermop_Home_: so life in NYC right not?
20:20:56 <Wolf01> People is getting tired of stay at home here
20:21:45 <Wolf01> And it's only the first week
20:23:00 <Wolf01> I'm a hikikomori, so I don't give a fuck, even better: I'm forced to stay at home
20:40:40 <andythenorth> introverts all over the world have been like 'is something happening, why are people in my space indoors?'
20:50:05 <andythenorth> can we integrate an excel spreadsheet?
20:50:17 <andythenorth> ODBC or something is microsoft-office-in-other-applications?
21:01:49 <frosch123> both are 90's technologies like COM
21:02:37 <frosch123> today you would probably do webcontent
21:04:11 <glx> ODBC is the database connection
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21:11:03 <andythenorth> so can we actually do a spreadsheet in OpenTTD? o_O
21:12:17 <frosch123> at some point you can rather port ottd gui to qt or something
21:12:52 <frosch123> then you can also render html and md with actual fonts and stuff
21:13:41 <andythenorth> I like the idea that routing trains is so hard it needs a spreadsheet
21:14:25 <frosch123> certain people complained that ottd only supports 20 parameters in strings
21:14:53 <frosch123> gs cannot draw spreadsheets in the town gui with stats
21:14:56 <andythenorth> might be I found that bug
21:15:11 <andythenorth> what if we removed all orders, and made train routing a spreadsheet?
21:15:24 <andythenorth> we could use formulas and stuff
21:15:32 <andythenorth> and depend on other trains
21:15:42 <frosch123> can to skip the graphics and implements everything in vbscript?
21:16:10 <frosch123> though i wanted to look more into pyspread
21:19:46 <glx> bbcmicro emulator in browser ?
21:26:12 <andythenorth> that's my evening gone then
21:29:25 <supermop_Home_> i'm still going out for walks a couple times a day
21:29:38 <supermop_Home_> much fewer people out today vs yesterday
21:29:48 <andythenorth> I've forgotten all the BBC commands
21:29:57 <andythenorth> I love how it just says 'mistake' for any wrong command
21:31:09 <andythenorth> lol "CHAIN LOAD" did something
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22:08:48 <peter1138> I typed that one in from an Acorn User. Took weeks.
22:08:53 <andythenorth> those were the days
22:09:03 * andythenorth holds out for Chocks Away
22:09:28 <glx> I remember typing pages of DATA lines on CPC
22:09:54 <glx> basically it's entering asm without knowing it :)
22:10:11 <peter1138> Yes, this one was like that. It had assembly too, but also lots of actual data.
22:10:39 <peter1138> It had CRC routines built in to make sure it was all correct, but it was still a horrible painful experience trying to find the many typos!
22:11:14 <glx> at least it gave the line number
22:15:25 <glx> loop stoping at first space :)
22:15:32 <peter1138> BBC Micro keyword tokenizer was quite... robust? No need for spaces, apparently.
22:16:01 <peter1138> Yeah, it's waiting for the space bar to be pressed.
22:29:16 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] RailwAI opened issue #8039: AIOrder.SetOrderFlags doesn't always work for ships https://git.io/Jv1xF
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23:33:15 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick commented on issue #8039: AIOrder.SetOrderFlags doesn't always work for ships https://git.io/Jv1xF
23:34:44 <Samu> i'd like to make a pr but i got no time today
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