IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2020-03-18
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00:41:04 <supermop_Home> well I am working from home
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15:15:31 <andythenorth> supermop_Home: which continent are you on?
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15:27:13 <Wolf01> It seem that here you can't buy stuff which is not food, if you need a frying pan, shampoo/soap, pencils and notebooks for the children for the homeworks, you can't purchase it, they block you at the checkout... but I would like to verify that
15:27:55 <supermop_Home> here you can still buy whatever, if the store is still open.. but many are not
15:27:59 <andythenorth> but also sounds like a rumour that would spread very convincingly
15:28:06 <Wolf01> They are playing with fire
15:28:19 <supermop_Home> many restaurants and cafes are open, but only for delivery or take out
15:28:38 <Wolf01> Here only for house delivery
15:29:02 <andythenorth> there was a brief twitter panic about amazon stopping orders yesterday
15:29:12 <LordAro> Wolf01: why would they block non-food items?
15:29:13 <supermop_Home> sunday and Monday there were still many people out and about (much less than usual but more than I expected)
15:29:38 <Wolf01> <LordAro> Wolf01: why would they block non-food items? <- to stop idiots going to buy playstations at the stores
15:29:46 <supermop_Home> most larger chain cafes and shops are closed
15:30:07 <supermop_Home> smaller independent ones seem more likely to try to stay open
15:30:38 <LordAro> Wolf01: well within reason, sure
15:30:46 <LordAro> but why not let people buy something to give them something to do?
15:32:58 <Wolf01> It may be a rumour, but newspapers are talking about it, also giving out the names of the stores which did it
15:34:04 <Wolf01> Maybe some guy took it too much literally... no soap, how do I wash hands? With alcohol and fire?
15:40:24 <supermop_Home> now I've ended up being basically on video calls all day instead of being able to get any work done
15:57:27 <andythenorth> you and all of the rest of the world
15:57:35 <andythenorth> people celebrated for 2 days how few meetings there would be
15:57:39 <andythenorth> so all the waste would be gone
15:57:45 <andythenorth> now we're all on the phone all day
16:04:07 <supermop_Home> they didn't let me wfh til yesterday
16:04:17 <supermop_Home> I think as they didn't trust us to keep working
16:04:35 <andythenorth> obviously people give less performance of working when at home
16:04:41 <andythenorth> does less work happen though?
16:04:54 <supermop_Home> and clearly they still don't as anything that used to be a quick check on slack is now a 10-30 min video call
16:05:08 <andythenorth> it's just easier to keep talking eh
16:05:20 <andythenorth> ambulance chasing is out in force
16:05:32 <andythenorth> I am being advertised "spy on your staff without them knowing" tools
16:06:18 <supermop_Home> also someone is connecting to this bluejeans call via remote desktop connection to their computer at the office....
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16:50:52 <supermop_Home> as soon as I get off this call I think I'll go for a walk
17:05:47 <andythenorth> exercise is a thing
17:05:55 <andythenorth> no walking in Italy, Spain, France
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18:35:53 <Wolf01> Ok, work done for today
18:36:12 <Wolf01> andythenorth, yes, they are fantastic
18:38:21 <Wolf01> The problem is that the water traffic moves a lot of sediment, and the water is shallow in the city, it's not how they show you in movies where you can fit a submarine, if there is 1.5mt is already fine
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18:56:56 <andythenorth> oof the Italy CFR is really horrible Wolf01 :(
18:57:49 <milek7> or infections are underestimated?
19:07:19 <SpComb> CFR is the number that only accounts for diagnosed cases
19:08:11 <andythenorth> it's absolutely contextual
19:12:22 <Wolf01> Infections are underestimated.
19:16:04 <Wolf01> Oh nice, 35k cases today, yesterday they were 28k
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19:45:49 <DorpsGek_III_> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
19:47:57 * andythenorth hopes an antibody test becomes possible in mass supply
19:48:32 <andythenorth> I know a significant number of people who had the definitive covid symptoms from mid-Jan onwards
19:48:51 <andythenorth> but those symptoms also overlap with a few other common winter viruses that we don't usually bother much about
19:51:48 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: does it really matter? I get why it can be a bit obsessive to know if you have/had it or not, but .. does it really matter?
19:52:07 <andythenorth> it affects who can care for the vulnerable etc
19:52:16 <andythenorth> I know multiple doctors already self-isolating
19:52:25 <andythenorth> but it might be just for a cold
19:52:26 <TrueBrain> you said "mass supply"
19:52:30 <TrueBrain> that is not needed to be able to do that ;)
19:52:57 <andythenorth> semantics of 'mass'
19:53:02 <andythenorth> I don't mean the whole population
19:53:11 <andythenorth> but tens and tens of thousands
19:53:13 <TrueBrain> fair enough; it sounded like you wanted everyone to be able to test himself
19:53:25 <andythenorth> no that's probably not much value
19:53:45 <glx> there's no mass testing here, only people with symptoms are tested
19:53:48 <andythenorth> but healthcare, social care, teachers, pharmacists etc
19:53:58 <andythenorth> the antibody test is to find out who has already had it
19:54:22 <andythenorth> therefore, based on currently available evidence, is unlikely to get it again soon
19:54:27 <TrueBrain> glx: same here, and even than only people who have severe symptons
19:54:29 <andythenorth> therefore isn't transmitting it
19:54:42 <glx> and it's said most have it without symptoms at all
19:55:05 <andythenorth> this isn't about specifically covid
19:55:07 <glx> TrueBrain: yes those already in the hospital due to the severity
19:55:21 <andythenorth> it's about all the cancer patients, heart patients etc who will die as a side effect
19:55:24 <TrueBrain> yeah, exactly glx :)
19:55:30 <andythenorth> due to lack of care
19:55:46 <andythenorth> anyway, it's not yet a thing so eh :P
19:56:00 <TrueBrain> but I have to say, all this covid left,covid right, it is starting to get old that every conversation is about covid
19:56:08 <TrueBrain> and, maybe more annoying, everyone has become a doctor
19:56:09 <glx> so the ratio death/positive may seem high, but most positive are indeed not detected
19:56:55 <frosch123> TrueBrain: at most 50% of talk is abotu covid, the other 50% is about how to increase the vpn bandwidth or how to better utiliize it
19:56:57 <TrueBrain> today our gov had a long debate about the actions we are taking
19:57:15 <glx> you're not confined yet ?
19:57:19 <andythenorth> I have tried having covid free days, but tbh, it's a major societal change and we do kind of talk about that
19:57:23 <TrueBrain> frosch123: ugh, don't get me started on the last one ... running Teams with your whole company over a single VPN is .. not fun :P
19:57:27 <andythenorth> a year of quarantine is very long
19:57:43 <andythenorth> hmm social distancing, not quarantine, wrong word
19:57:49 <SpComb> I've noticed that rationing your news consumption is beneficial for your mental health :)
19:58:11 <andythenorth> the headline fonts generally got smaller
19:58:27 <frosch123> irc font is always same size
19:58:58 <TrueBrain> not if you use Riot client :P
19:59:01 <andythenorth> mine is monospace with formatting stripped
19:59:10 <TrueBrain> # This looks bigger
20:00:12 <SpComb> when I started I wasn't happy with how difficult our VPN setup was to manage, because it doesn't configure any default route, only specific addresses. Now I'm happy, no VPN issues at work so far :)
20:00:13 <TrueBrain> without opening the link, on a scale from 1 to 10? about a 20
20:00:26 <andythenorth> £150 bargain price, 15 min result
20:00:40 <glx> only 15 minutes for the result ?
20:00:41 <TrueBrain> you have to wonder ... if it takes 2 days for official tests ....
20:01:43 <SpComb> TrueBrain: having spent the time to setup AWS Global Accelerator etc and file tickets for each individual VIP address to route, yes, it was worth the time :)
20:02:04 <glx> with PCR in dedicated labs
20:27:42 <Samu> got a crash in 1.10.0-RC1
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20:27:59 <Samu> Assertion failed at line 302 of d:\a\1\s\src\economy.cpp: old_owner != _local_company
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20:29:19 <TrueBrain> thank you for that spam; I will file it with the rest ;)
20:34:10 <_dp_> Samu, wasn't that fixed recently?
20:34:45 <Samu> what was the other one, I forgot
20:34:59 <Samu> i think this is different, as it's in single player mode
20:37:56 <supermop_Home> andythenorth someone got arrested at LAX trying to bring those in from the UK
20:38:20 <supermop_Home> customs at least believed them to be fake
20:39:32 <Samu> oww.. a visual studio update, this will take a while
20:39:35 <andythenorth> if I've read correctly it's a scam
20:40:01 <andythenorth> it relies on conflating 'Covid produces an IGG or IGM response' with 'IGG / IGM response means you have Covid'
20:47:12 <Samu> there is no other company
20:47:37 <Samu> which is enough to trigger the assert
21:21:11 <Samu> interesting, a spectator slot in single player would solve the problem :p
21:29:38 <Samu> planning ahead for unprofitable routes with infrastructure maintenance costs isn't an easy task :(
21:30:37 <Samu> at least I learned something
21:30:53 <Samu> helicopters are profitable and easy to do
21:31:07 <Samu> the other airports, not so quite
21:31:37 <Samu> totally didn't expect that
21:32:43 <Samu> it also looks like faster planes are preferred
21:33:19 <Samu> than a large one with big capacity that travels half-loaded most of the time
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21:34:29 <_dp_> Samu just don't send it half-loaded :p
21:34:32 <Samu> or, maybe my income formula is fooling me
21:35:03 <_dp_> A21 and darwin are best moneymakers
21:36:25 <Samu> my formula so far has always picked darwin 300, dinger 200, and if neither exists, it's the darwin 600, bakewell lb-8
21:36:33 <Samu> the typical largest capacity available
21:37:08 <Samu> but with infrastructure maintenance costs, it goes on to pick yate haugan, or dinger 1000
21:37:56 <Samu> it's just that planning ahead is a whole mess of a code
21:38:44 <Samu> i'm still planning routes that are already unprofitable to begin with
21:38:54 <_dp_> and why is infra maintanance affecting plane choice?
21:39:21 <Samu> i am including these costs in the formula
21:39:38 <_dp_> even if you consider small/large planes maintanance is too insignificant
21:41:31 <Samu> small maps, like 256x256, only helicopters seem to profit
21:42:05 <Samu> the ai is unable to terraform for a good large airport spot
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21:42:39 <_dp_> oh, that... mb, planes need some distance indeed
21:42:53 <_dp_> though would probably be much better running rvs or trains than helis
21:43:14 <Samu> it's still possible, if i happen to find good enough places
21:43:30 <Samu> but it's usually routes that cross a corner of a map to another
21:43:41 <Samu> and yet it's still not profitable enough
21:52:20 <Samu> local income_max_speed = (primary_capacity * AICargo.GetCargoIncome(cargo, distance_max_speed * days / 1000, days) + secondary_capacity * AICargo.GetCargoIncome(Utils.getCargoId(AICargo.CC_MAIL), distance_broken_speed * days / 1000, days) - running_cost * days / 365) * multiplier;
21:52:53 <Samu> oh, that's actually wrong
21:53:54 <Samu> good thing that I copy pasted.. horizontal coding made it go unnoticed until now
21:54:07 <Samu> distance_broken_speed isn't supposed to be here
22:07:32 <nielsm> that's a good argument for breaking long lines up and having more intermediate variables :)
22:14:53 <_dp_> that formula doesn't seem to take take off and landing into account
22:17:56 <nielsm> that really makes a big difference for short distances especially, and also adds lots of downtime if one or more airpots are too busy
22:47:07 <Samu> local income_max_speed = (primary_capacity * AICargo.GetCargoIncome(cargo, distance_max_speed * days / 1000, days) + secondary_capacity * AICargo.GetCargoIncome(Utils.getCargoId(AICargo.CC_MAIL), distance_max_speed * days / 1000, days) - running_cost * days / 365 - 2 * infra_cost * 12 * days / 365 / max_count) * multiplier;
22:47:48 <Samu> this at least worked well for sampson u52 with high costs + infrastructure
22:47:55 <Samu> it deemed it unprofitable
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22:51:23 <Samu> breakdowns are preventing cotswald lb-3 from being picked as profitable
22:51:35 <Samu> otherwise, it is profitable, let me just confirm
22:55:51 <Samu> there was only money for 9
22:56:03 <Samu> also, more than 9 and airports would go overcapacity
22:56:15 <Samu> map too small perhaps, let me try a larger map
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