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08:29:09 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh approved pull request #8028: Codechange: [AzurePipelines] Update MacOS image to 10.14 https://git.io/JvwAC
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09:11:19 <TrueBrain> owh no, its an andythenorth
09:11:42 <andythenorth> I just came to ask where the Feb blog post is
09:11:57 <TrueBrain> I think it is hiding behind your excellent writing :)
09:12:39 <andythenorth> also Nov, Dec, Jan :P
09:12:50 <TrueBrain> that just shows the slacker you are :P
09:15:07 <andythenorth> forgiveness is everything
09:18:20 <TrueBrain> look, it is LordAro ! And he was just about to enabled his 2FA on GitHub :)
09:18:56 <TrueBrain> -d, what-ever, it is early morning
09:19:08 <andythenorth> I haven't even had breakfast
09:19:19 <Wolf01> Hmmm, bored, to many games to play
09:19:28 <andythenorth> LordAro: I asked Kamnet about savegame for 10.10.10
09:19:37 <andythenorth> he has a new job and has no time to run a competition
09:19:56 <TrueBrain> who gave him a new job ...
09:20:01 * andythenorth wonders about hiring someone to do all the community crap :P
09:20:06 <andythenorth> how much do we have in the bank?
09:20:40 <andythenorth> reviewing blog posts
09:20:42 <andythenorth> approving blog posts
09:21:08 <andythenorth> closing old stale tickets
09:30:18 <peter1138> Pumpkin Seed Butter. Hmm.
09:30:27 <peter1138> Got a bit messy mixing it up.
09:45:39 <peter1138> Seems to be a bit wonky. Might not actually handle actual load, heh.
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12:16:17 * andythenorth dares to look in nml PRs
12:16:38 <TrueBrain> good luck andythenorth :) Let us know if you survived!
12:39:21 <Samu> AI/GS don't have a "IsRiverTile"
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12:40:56 <Samu> they have a IsWaterTile which is misleading
12:43:06 <frosch123> TrueBrain: is the disk quota warning from dnsadmin important?
12:43:26 <TrueBrain> dnsadmin is orudge 's server; so I hope not :D
12:45:06 <andythenorth> I tried, but not good enough :)
12:48:41 <Samu> IsCoastTile is missing the rail/water tile check
12:48:57 <Samu> wondering if that's important
12:51:25 <Samu> a rail on diagonal slope is also no longer a coast tile
13:07:01 <TrueBrain> okay, flask-restx is not as useful as I was hoping for ..
13:07:07 <TrueBrain> feels like all these frameworks are slacking
13:17:21 <Samu> I think IsRiverTile should exist for AIs. I'm not really a ship AI author, but there's no easy mechanism to detect river tiles atm
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14:43:25 <Samu> question: which group should get IsRiverTile? AIMarine or AITile?
15:25:16 <Samu> another question: if I add new AI/GS functions right now, do they go to 1.11 changelog or 1.10?
15:33:43 <Samu> oh, it already exists, i see
15:34:05 <TrueBrain> well, search and read, sorry that I was not explicit
15:35:30 <Samu> krinn is the author of DictatorAI, isn't he?
15:45:07 <Samu> Add ScriptTile::IsRiverTile, ScriptTile::IsSeaTile - i added both
15:45:17 <Samu> i didn't add the clear ones
15:46:03 <Samu> they would come handy for planning routes
15:47:10 <Samu> and also missed the regression changes
15:48:58 <Samu> I'm not sure I agree with LordAro GetWaterTile
15:49:22 <Samu> IsWaterTile already returns true for ship depots and locks
15:49:33 <Samu> what would GetWaterTile return then?
15:55:25 <Samu> if (IsWaterTile(tile) && GetWaterTile(tile) == none)
16:05:15 <Samu> there is no PR_CLEAR_SEA, neither a PR_CLEAR_RIVER
16:10:02 <Samu> case BT_CLEAR_RIVER: return ::GetPrice(PR_CLEAR_WATER, 1, NULL); - that's cheating
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16:29:02 <Samu> just got a weird crash, opening the list of aircraft vehicles after loading some savegame
16:48:34 <Samu> anything to say? I should perhaps mention that it supersedes 6751?
17:02:04 <Samu> i'm not getting the weird crash on 1.10.0-RC1
17:08:37 <Samu> not getting the crash anymore, after cleaning / rebuilding
17:08:43 <Samu> must have been visual studio
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17:27:30 <frosch123> "put"... how exotic
17:32:01 <frosch123> TrueBrain: "md5sum" should probably hint about being truncated
17:35:53 <frosch123> "compatibility" is intended to be an array?
17:37:51 <frosch123> hmm, where to comment on this?
18:12:08 <Samu> the one DictatorAI used wasn't 100% correct
18:19:28 <Samu> So, it's still possible to detect a river, I guess a PR that adds it isn't needed.
18:19:46 <TrueBrain> frosch123: fixed md5sum, fixed compatibility (it is now an array of dicts, what my intentions where :D)
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18:19:59 <TrueBrain> and I am looking for how to leave comments ... I have a thing "comments", but no way of adding one
18:21:33 <TrueBrain> frosch123: you need to sign in (via GitHub); I can make allow you to leave comments after that
18:22:46 <Samu> Can I comment on a closed PR?
18:23:01 <Samu> would go unnoticced most likely
18:24:10 <frosch123> ok, it knows about me
18:25:07 <glx> Samu: comments on closed PR are reported by dorpsgek
18:28:47 <TrueBrain> there you go frosch123 :)
18:32:18 <TrueBrain> I made /search a bit more useful; more things to search on/for :)
18:32:50 <frosch123> hmm... i can show comments, but where to add them :o
18:33:29 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick commented on pull request #6751: Allow scripts to check for river tiles #5377 https://git.io/Jvr0Y
18:34:02 <TrueBrain> owh, yes, I could have told you as I had to lookup their blog post
18:34:04 <TrueBrain> left of the line numbers
18:39:06 <TrueBrain> the lines you are adding comments feels random to me :D But I can understand them perfectly, so it doesn't matter :P But this IDE is a bit weird
18:39:54 <frosch123> i hate that you need to press shift+enter to make a multiline comment
18:42:02 <TrueBrain> why did we make license this complicated :D
18:43:08 <frosch123> i made the comments in the lines where the fields were defined
18:43:28 <frosch123> but some are referenced via 2 levels, so stuff may be readonly for some api calls, but not all
18:44:22 <TrueBrain> here your comment about license is inside the UploadToken blob :D
18:44:30 <TrueBrain> pretty sure our lines simply no longer match up :)
18:44:51 <TrueBrain> I would expect that to sync, but .. seems it doesn't :) But it is fine, your comments are clear enough :)
18:46:45 <frosch123> ok, i reloaded the page. yeah they are in weird places now :)
18:55:11 <TrueBrain> I haven't touched authentication at all; I think for now we just make a header that states the username, and bypass it all. As one of us can add it pretty easily later on, I guess :)
18:55:23 <TrueBrain> (and I say "one of us", but I hope it is a copy/paste from eints :D)
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19:07:58 <TrueBrain> I made some changes to the API. I removed the "versions" endpoint, as every other endpoint also already shows the versions
19:11:52 <TrueBrain> frosch123: tomorrow I will give the backend implementation a spin. I have all the pieces, I guess it is mostly just glueing them together. Shouldn't be that difficult, I think :)
19:12:06 <TrueBrain> pretty sure at that point we will find issues :P
19:12:11 <TrueBrain> (with the API-specs)
19:12:49 <frosch123> i'll try the frontend then :)
19:31:52 <TrueBrain> frosch123: btw, you can export from Swagger to a client SDK. It might be helpful :)
19:31:57 <TrueBrain> seems the Server Stub is, at least the models are
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19:35:41 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #6751: Allow scripts to check for river tiles #5377 https://git.io/JvrEx
19:37:23 <Samu> is it possible to have rivers at tile height 0?
19:40:04 <TrueBrain> frosch123: euhm, nevermind .. the server-stub doesn't understand "allOf" modifier I used a lot :P Lol
19:43:47 <TrueBrain> well, that is something to crack tomorrow :)
19:45:07 <andythenorth> time to delete FIRS Extreme eh
19:45:56 <frosch123> aren't the limits in ottd high enough now, so you can just add all cargos and industries to extreme?
19:46:13 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick commented on pull request #6751: Allow scripts to check for river tiles #5377 https://git.io/Jvrum
19:47:56 <andythenorth> frosch123: probably not
19:48:05 <andythenorth> it has been requested though
19:48:13 <andythenorth> obviously it's the best way to make gameplay :)
19:48:49 <frosch123> it's for those who actually do not want to know the whole economy, and discover something new every day
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19:56:42 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 opened pull request #8032: Fix #7904: Don't use a timer for hundredth tick determination https://git.io/JvruE
19:58:56 <andythenorth> and there goes Extreme, bye bye to that
19:59:36 <frosch123> who will riot first? forums or reddit?
20:05:11 <andythenorth> nobody will notice
20:05:29 <andythenorth> hmm can we make github build grfs yet? :P
20:05:43 <andythenorth> I had Azure doing it and publishing to S3
20:06:52 <TrueBrain> Who/what is Extreme?
20:07:11 <frosch123> TrueBrain: think of 4k x 4k maps
20:07:47 <frosch123> certain people set all settings to extreme values, and then wonder why stuff does not work well
20:08:06 <TrueBrain> If you shoot yourself in the foot ....
20:09:38 <frosch123> this client sdk stub is way bigger than i expected
20:11:10 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: extreme is like "download all GRFs from BaNaNaS and activate them all at the same time"
20:14:06 <andythenorth> it is actually ok to play
20:14:11 <andythenorth> but the graph :(
20:15:25 <frosch123> he, don't make them riot on me, just because i added them
20:15:38 <andythenorth> the graphs are awesome
20:15:42 <andythenorth> they help designing so much
20:16:22 <andythenorth> although...there is one cargo pair in Steeltown which is wrong for gameplay, but graphviz can't make a nice layout if I swap it
20:16:37 <andythenorth> so I prioritised the graphviz layout :P
20:17:22 <frosch123> bulk terminal now has 5 output cargos
20:17:37 <frosch123> gone are the times of searching synonmys for "harbor"
20:18:06 <andythenorth> so much better :P
20:18:13 <frosch123> what is wrong with cryo plant and scrap yard?
20:18:33 <andythenorth> they have weird production rules
20:18:41 <andythenorth> there's no style defined
20:19:01 <frosch123> they are no primaries?
20:20:28 <andythenorth> maybe I should stop endless changing Horse and release FIRS
20:21:34 <frosch123> oh, you make engines from cast iron, i guess that explains the reliability mechanics
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20:34:35 <Samu> hmm, im unsure if i submit a PR
20:36:38 <Samu> after all, it already exists
20:38:04 <Samu> I need a workaround to detect river tiles at sea level
20:38:12 <Samu> and I don't think it's possible
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21:44:31 <Samu> i can send Goal Questions to clients, but then they can't respond
21:44:49 <Samu> is event waiting doesn't detect me clicking OK
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22:00:36 <glx> you probably don't use it right Samu
22:10:49 <Samu> The server will ditch any server commands a client sends to it, so effectively
22:10:49 <Samu> * this guards the server from executing functions for an invalid company. */
22:11:28 <Samu> client was a spectator that answered OK to the question
22:12:18 <glx> of course spectators don't play
22:12:28 <Samu> but they can receive questions
22:13:49 <glx> that's a bug, only clients in a company should get it
22:14:18 <Samu> client was me, in a spectator slot
22:14:43 <Samu> i received the question as spectator, i clicked OK, and event waiting didn't trigger
22:15:03 <Samu> turns out the command was rejected
22:15:14 <glx> yes because spectators should not receive the question
22:15:54 <LordAro> Samu: getting real tired of you not reading what's in front of you
22:15:57 <glx> "company The company to ask the question, or GSCompany::COMPANY_INVALID for all. " <-- company, not spectator
22:16:32 <glx> if spectator receive the question, it's a bug that should be fixed
22:16:32 <Samu> that's the other function
22:16:44 <Samu> I used GSGoal.QuestionClient
22:16:52 <Samu> I thought I linked to that
22:16:57 <Wolf01> So... I won't be able to get to work starting from tomorrow, I don't know for how much time, maybe up to april
22:17:21 <LordAro> doesn't matter, spectators are spectating - they're not interacting with the game so it makes no sense for a GS to interacte with them
22:17:21 <_dp_> hm, guess I never though someone would ask client a question that matters xD
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22:18:32 <_dp_> at the very least gs can send welcome message
22:20:37 <_dp_> interacting may also be useful, i.e. client can be required to agree to server rules before starting a company
22:20:58 <TrueBrain> Wolf01: self isolation?
22:23:17 <_dp_> answering command is just missing a spectator flag
22:24:30 <Samu> i was trying to make spectators be able to unpause the game
22:24:46 <Samu> my company value gs pauses the game when goal is reached
22:25:30 <Wolf01> <TrueBrain> Wolf01: self isolation? <- nope, the entire province is isolated, I can't get to the one where I work
22:25:51 <Samu> I was asking companies to continue, but now with QuestionClient, I thought i'd ask clients directly
22:26:05 <TrueBrain> We all had to make sure we could work from home ..
22:26:41 <Wolf01> But the sysadmin is from my province too :P
22:28:07 <TrueBrain> Well, more time for OpenTTD :D
22:28:35 <Wolf01> If I don't lose myself in no man's sky again :P
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22:57:03 <_dp_> Samu, try adding CMD_SPECTATOR flag to CmdGoalQuestionAnswer
22:57:19 <_dp_> should be fine for PR unless I missed something
23:20:07 <Samu> but glx wanted the opposite approach
23:20:24 <Samu> spectators not able to receive questions
23:20:52 <_dp_> glx didn't even know there is a function to ask clients :p
23:21:11 <glx> yeah, anyway there was a bug :)
23:21:28 <Samu> so cool, GS can act accordingly now
23:21:31 <_dp_> I specifically made it so it's able to ask spectators
23:23:04 <glx> if spectators can receive question, they should be able to answer, or they should not be asked in the first place ;)
23:23:41 <_dp_> ofc, and I already explained a fix
23:24:35 <_dp_> eh, probably should stop being lazy and PR it myself xD
23:25:16 <Samu> plz do, i don't have much time today, nearly getting to bed
23:25:36 <Samu> line 323 command.cpp : DEF_CMD(CmdGoalQuestionAnswer, CMD_SPECTATOR | CMD_DEITY, CMDT_OTHER_MANAGEMENT ), // CMD_GOAL_QUESTION_ANSWER
23:26:02 <glx> but how do you know which client replied ?
23:26:20 <glx> the event is company based
23:26:33 <_dp_> hm, that's an interesting question xD
23:27:55 <_dp_> can add client to the event
23:30:21 <_dp_> though it's already possible with uid
23:31:54 <glx> hmm true, the script knows the question id
23:36:36 <_dp_> another interesting question is how to close window
23:36:54 <_dp_> makes no sense but there is code that handles questions with same uid to different companies
23:37:01 <_dp_> can't quite to that with clients
23:37:08 <_dp_> but then why is that even a thing?
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