IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2019-12-14
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09:51:56 <peter1138> It wasn't much of a fast though.
09:54:56 <andythenorth> get breakfast done
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10:04:43 <lugo> andythenorth, so i checked out firs git repository, got nml running and now i have no clue how to go about compiling firs
10:07:16 <lugo> executing makefile doesn't really do anything :/
10:13:48 <andythenorth> have you got a python environment?
10:15:35 <andythenorth> do you have the firs python dependencies?
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10:38:57 <andythenorth> hmm FIRS makefile doesn't work
10:40:43 <peter1138> Hmm, when your server backup has gone missing again. Hmm.
10:41:13 <andythenorth> ^ make finds no changes when pngs have changed
10:41:33 <andythenorth> L74 is irrelevant and copied from other projects
10:41:58 <andythenorth> L74 needs deleted, but I really don't understand make, it's the most baffling development tool I've ever used
10:42:47 <andythenorth> I need nmlc to build the project if pngs have changed, but I have NFI how to do that
10:45:59 <andythenorth> all I'm doing is moving string around
10:46:09 <andythenorth> this makes no sense, it's just piling crap on top of cra
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11:17:49 <andythenorth> well it appears to work, so eh
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12:34:50 <LordAro> andythenorth: FIND_FILES (presumably) returns a list of all files with the specified extensions. adding these files as "dependencies" of the GRF_FILE rule means that if any of the dependencies have changed (or have a newer timestamp) than the grf file, make will rerun the commands specified in the rule and regenerate the grf file
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13:17:06 <andythenorth> I kind of get it, but it seems to work by piling on string
13:17:28 <andythenorth> if I want to declare dependencies I have to add more junk to the file
13:17:46 <andythenorth> I guess that's just how it works
13:24:25 <LordAro> the idea is that once it's set up, it only rarely needs changing after that
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14:06:57 <lugo> should have read that before i started ;)
14:09:02 <lugo> oh there´s a FIRS 4 now, christmas is early this year :D
14:12:04 <lugo> suggestion: how about ctrl-clicking "move up"-button in newgrf-windows to move a newly added grf to the top?
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14:19:10 <Pikka> hmm I should try civi 20 with FIRS 4
14:26:46 <andythenorth> teach it steeltown
14:28:55 <Pikka> it all seriousness, I don't want it to get into complex industrial chains. it's meant to stay out of players' way
14:29:00 <Pikka> I might teach it to fish though ;)
14:29:52 <Pikka> BTW today I fixed the "building lines to the wrong station" bug :)
14:30:33 <Pikka> it's amazing how much of a genius you feel when you solve a problem that your own stupidity created ;)
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15:22:58 <andythenorth> Pikka: can you make it build roads to nearby industries? :P
15:23:05 <andythenorth> Migrations GS does that
15:24:23 <andythenorth> it's actually really annoying because it blocks stations, but looks really cool
15:28:10 <Eddi|zuHause> also, in this game streaming drops my fps to a half
15:37:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i can stream this game
15:44:33 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, i will stop this :p
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17:03:14 <snail_UES_> just curious, anyone here uses gimp?
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17:06:41 <frosch123> it's the obvious choice on linux
17:08:34 <snail_UES_> ok, I’m trying it out for macos...
17:08:48 <snail_UES_> haven’t quite figured out how to set the palette yet
17:09:17 <frosch123> ogfx+landscape is even using gimp in the build process to compose sprites from multiple parts
17:09:43 <frosch123> snail_UES_: menu->image->mode->indexed
17:10:28 <frosch123> then load the paeltte from file (it will actually remember the last one used) and make sure to unselect "remove unused/duplicate colors"
17:11:24 <frosch123> in the toolbox you can add a tab "colormap"
17:11:46 <snail_UES_> alright, thanks… let me try it out
17:15:07 <snail_UES_> how can I add that tab in the toolbox?
17:15:45 <frosch123> do you have the toolbox opened?
17:16:32 <snail_UES_> I have a tab on the right, which looks like it
17:17:02 <frosch123> ctrl+b to open the toolbox
17:17:08 <frosch123> or menu->windows->toolbox
17:17:19 <frosch123> there are a bunch of tools at the top, and then some tabs below
17:17:32 <frosch123> the tabbox has some kind of menu-button on the right
17:17:39 <frosch123> there you can select add tab->colormap
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17:30:48 <Wolf01> andythenorth: so it begins, BL blocking ip mocs
17:35:02 <nielsm> okay let's try TF2 as a proper free game instead of campaign
17:36:57 <Wolf01> <peter1138> BL? < BrickLink
17:39:45 <andythenorth> Wolf01: inevitable
17:42:13 <Wolf01> Yes but it's like... 98% of the mocs?
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19:11:22 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 opened pull request #7860: Fix: [MinGW] undefined references when _FORTIFY_SOURCE > 0 https://git.io/JeQZm
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19:44:43 <peter1138> Urgh. nVidia Surround is bollocks :/
19:55:51 <andythenorth> nice depots snail_UES_
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21:45:50 <andythenorth> nah thats all done
22:04:13 <andythenorth> I should Horse or something
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22:10:33 <LordAro> andythenorth: maybe you should sell tanks
22:27:21 <andythenorth> are there tanks in TF 2?
22:28:16 <nielsm> at least one of the campaign missions involve transporting munitions
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22:35:56 <andythenorth> do they have tracks?
22:36:40 <glx> oh of course it's not team fortress :)
22:37:55 <frosch123> haha, i had the same association yesterday :)
22:38:05 <nielsm> I'm still looking for the railroading game where you have to build telegraph lines between signal posts that need to communicate, and signal posts can only control signals within reasonable distance and with line of sight or technical installations that lets them monitor the track being protected
22:38:57 <frosch123> sounds like you want a multiplayer game, where every employee must be a player
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22:39:20 <frosch123> how many brake operators do you need on early trains?
22:41:24 <peter1138> Yes, TF2 is Team Fortress 2. Sorry.
22:41:40 <peter1138> If you have some other new game, that'll have to be long hand, thanks ;p
22:42:34 <nielsm> context sensitive initialisms!
22:43:38 * glx added an iterator for pools
22:44:06 <nielsm> for (Train *t : _trains) ?
22:44:22 <glx> companies for now, but it seems to work
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22:46:03 <frosch123> nielsm: c++20 ranges would allow "_vehicles | TrainFilter" or something
22:47:28 <frosch123> hmm, i guess it's tmwftlb to turn those pointers into references
22:48:10 <nielsm> frosch123, 2050 and we'll be on C++20 ? ;)
22:49:41 <glx> oh C++17 was already an issue when I completed peter1138's cmake branch on grfcodec for MSVC
22:50:46 <glx> not very realistic bridge :)
22:50:46 <frosch123> glx: shouldn't ValidateIndex use first_unused instead of GetPoolSize?
22:51:36 <frosch123> glx: some operators have incorrect prototypes
22:51:40 <frosch123> == and != should be const
22:51:51 <frosch123> ++ should return a reference
22:52:08 <frosch123> constructor should proabably be explicit
22:52:38 <frosch123> operator* is probably const as well?
22:55:02 <frosch123> glx: ok, but should end() use GetPoolSize then?
22:56:57 <glx> PoolItem::GetPoolSize() is just a wrapper around pool first_unused
23:00:54 <frosch123> oh, i thought they were like size and capacity :)
23:09:38 <andythenorth> those pixels are quite realistic nielsm
23:09:55 <andythenorth> I can't see any tanks though
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23:10:26 <nielsm> true there's very few tank locos
23:11:42 <andythenorth> most maps have one
23:31:43 <frosch123> yay, coal powered planes
23:41:15 <glx> hmm it will be harder with the stations
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23:44:10 <frosch123> it's the same as for vehicles
23:44:26 <glx> not tried vehicule yet :)
23:45:03 <frosch123> i don't think c++14 has a real solution to the problem, it's all in c++20
23:46:31 <andythenorth> frosch123: buy a wind turbine
23:46:36 <andythenorth> put them around the runway
23:46:49 <frosch123> i guess you could turn PoolIterator into a template which optionally takes a Predicate function
23:47:04 <frosch123> so you can do PoolIterator<void> to iterate over all
23:47:22 <frosch123> or PoolIterator<FilterVehicleType<VT_TRAIN>>
23:47:47 <andythenorth> I looked into wind turbines, installed cost of a good one is £3.35m
23:47:49 <frosch123> similar PoolIterator<FilterStationType<WAYPOINT>>
23:47:53 <andythenorth> out of my price range :|
23:48:30 <frosch123> andythenorth: sell shares in wind turbines :)
23:49:11 <frosch123> wind options: sell the right to get all revenue of the wind turbine on a certain day, like 2020-03-15
23:50:28 <andythenorth> the more serious option is actually buying into a wind coop :P
23:50:32 <andythenorth> it's a lot less money
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