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00:12:47  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] bjarnithor99 opened pull request #7859: Feature #7756: Allow server to supply a reason to kicked/banned clients https://git.io/JeH2l

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00:40:04  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #7857: Add #7801: [Script] more error mappings https://git.io/JeH2Q

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00:51:55  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #7859: Feature #7756: Allow server to supply a reason to kicked/banned clients https://git.io/JeHae

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01:07:51  <andythenorth> shots?

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01:14:40  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] FLHerne commented on pull request #7859: Feature #7756: Allow server to supply a reason to kicked/banned clients https://git.io/JeHaz

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10:30:17  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] btzy updated pull request #7028: Feature: Option to group vehicle list by shared orders https://git.io/fhGxd

10:31:47  <peter1138> Today appears to be a metal / NIN day.

10:32:10  <peter1138> On the other hand, I did successfully change my cassette and chain this morning, though ended up slightly late at the office.

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10:57:01  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] btzy commented on pull request #7028: Feature: Option to group vehicle list by shared orders https://git.io/JeHXN

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12:44:39  <Eddi|zuHause> brb, installing "new" graphics card

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13:17:48  <peter1138> Matrix fell over.

13:18:00  <peter1138> So is your stream watchable now?

13:18:16  <Eddi|zuHause> dunno

13:18:47  <Eddi|zuHause> i have to temporary drop a screen, because lack of HDMI cable

13:19:00  <Eddi|zuHause> (previous setup was 2xDVI)

13:19:15  <Eddi|zuHause> i feel so naked

13:21:07  <andythenorth> cables are the worst

13:22:31  <Eddi|zuHause> streaming with only one screen is meh...

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13:27:55  <Eddi|zuHause> https://www.twitch.tv/eddijk but i probably won't be reading any chats

13:37:07  <Eddi|zuHause> bah, my system fans are too loud now, and the config has changed and i can't run fancontrol anymore

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13:51:31  <andythenorth> everything is awful

13:51:40  <andythenorth> I don't know why you keep buying Apple products

13:54:00  <Eddi|zuHause> "you"?

13:54:36  <andythenorth> you're not describing Apple product issues? :o

14:01:07  <Eddi|zuHause> no

14:01:18  <Eddi|zuHause> also, i managed to correct the config

14:01:49  <andythenorth> did you call Applecare?

14:01:55  * andythenorth may not be helping :P

14:02:04  <andythenorth> I live a strange bubble

14:02:31  <andythenorth> I am also playing a metagame called "I have never ever ever called Applecare"

14:02:43  <andythenorth> I did have to ask a question in an Apple store once, that was awful

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14:17:58  <Eddi|zuHause> nice easter egg: the clocks show the real system time :p

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14:47:58  <peter1138> Looks better but still slow.

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14:50:57  <NGC3982> hi guys

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14:58:30  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah

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15:05:03  <Eddi|zuHause> it's still "slow", but not "unplayable" anymore

15:12:57  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] btzy updated pull request #7028: Feature: Option to group vehicle list by shared orders https://git.io/fhGxd

15:16:00  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] btzy updated pull request #7028: Feature: Option to group vehicle list by shared orders https://git.io/fhGxd

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15:17:31  <Eddi|zuHause> but now i want to try out all the games... :/

15:20:34  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] btzy commented on pull request #7028: Feature: Option to group vehicle list by shared orders https://git.io/JeH9V

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15:34:52  <supermop_work> bummer

15:43:51  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] btzy commented on pull request #7028: Feature: Option to group vehicle list by shared orders https://git.io/JeH9A

15:47:12  <peter1138> What a farce.

15:48:21  <Eddi|zuHause> ?

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15:57:57  <andythenorth> could be referring to so many things

15:58:11  <andythenorth> politics, netsplits, Github, existence :P

15:58:35  <Eddi|zuHause> exactly

15:58:36  <peter1138> Matrix. That was not a netsplit...

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15:59:25  <Eddi|zuHause> well, i only show join/part for people who actually say anything, so i don't even notice all the matrix stuff

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16:05:35  <Eddi|zuHause> what exaclty is the difference between a HDMI cable for 5€ and one for 30€?

16:06:41  <orudge> €25

16:06:46  <supermop_work> beat me to it

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16:10:08  <peter1138> True fax

16:10:23  <andythenorth> you feel smarter with the 30 euro one

16:10:30  * andythenorth doesn't have a euro key

16:10:40  <peter1138> I bet you do.

16:10:46  <peter1138> €

16:10:58  <andythenorth> I used to have a key-combo for it, but after June 2016 Apple changed it

16:11:04  <andythenorth> used to be alt-something-3

16:11:12  <peter1138> altgr-4

16:11:28  <peter1138> In normal Xorg with UK layout land.

16:11:36  <andythenorth> I'm probably supposed to use the emojibar

16:11:50  <andythenorth> but I disabled all the emoji shit

16:12:53  <supermop_work> touchbar?

16:13:02  <andythenorth> emojibar

16:13:09  <andythenorth> you say potato, I say potato

16:13:14  <andythenorth> let's call the whole thing off

16:13:20  <andythenorth> [something is incorrect about that quote]

16:13:54  <andythenorth> having freely assignable virtual keys is a great idea in theory

16:13:57  <andythenorth> but there's no haptics

16:14:19  <andythenorth> and the virtual keys  do not align with the real keys

16:14:23  <andythenorth> and have different spacing

16:20:17  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] btzy commented on pull request #7028: Feature: Option to group vehicle list by shared orders https://git.io/JeHQI

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16:23:09  <milek7_> e-ink keycaps on normal keys?

16:24:10  <milek7_> but nobody looks at labels anyway, it is too slow to type by hunting labels

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16:25:29  <milek7_> and application specific keys already exist, they are F1-F12 keys ;P

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16:31:12  <supermop_work> i think the touchbar macs don't have the function keys anymore

16:31:59  <lugo> ehm is there a recent windows nml binary? latest i can find is from 2013: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/

16:32:35  <lugo> ah there´s a 2018 version too

16:34:08  <milek7_> it could run from plain windows python installation too

16:35:40  <supermop_work> i guess i should have bought sterling back in 2016

16:45:13  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] btzy updated pull request #7028: Feature: Option to group vehicle list by shared orders https://git.io/fhGxd

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16:52:52  <Eddi|zuHause> € is AltGr+E here

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16:59:31  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] btzy updated pull request #7028: Feature: Option to group vehicle list by shared orders https://git.io/fhGxd

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17:13:52  <FLHerne> And here it's AltGr+4

17:18:33  <FLHerne> Re. the group-vehicle-list patch, now there are heirarchical groups, does anyone else think it's a mistake for shared-order groups /not/ to simply be an automatic base level of that heirarchy?

17:19:21  <FLHerne> I can't think of any sane reason to have vehicles with the same order set in different groups

17:20:07  <FLHerne> When I manage to do that, it's a mistake 100% of the time

17:20:43  * FLHerne still can't spell 'hierarchy' :P

17:21:38  <Eddi|zuHause> FLHerne: you mean automatically create a group for shared orders?

17:21:55  <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: Pretty much

17:23:01  <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: I mean, all vehicles sharing the same orders should be in the same base-level group, which would be automatically tracked and not manually editable

17:23:02  <Eddi|zuHause> FLHerne: make a group "automatic", put shared orders in there as subgroup on creation, let the player do whatever he wants afterwards

17:23:51  <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: On un-sharing the orders, they'd be removed from that group and placed in the parent (or none)

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17:24:10  <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: That idea is probably more feasible for back-compat with what we have now

17:24:41  <FLHerne> [the name would be editable, but not the contents]

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18:00:17  <FLHerne> https://martinheinz.dev/blog/1 and https://martinheinz.dev/blog/4 are good

18:00:57  <FLHerne> First "tricks you don't know" articles I've seen recently where (a) I really didn't know several and (b) they're actually of widespread practical use

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18:15:36  <andythenorth> I had to teach my 9 year old shared orders again this week

18:15:57  <andythenorth> they're not very obvious, he thought it would be done with groups

18:16:42  <frosch123> what would happen if ottd switched to the simuscape routes concept?

18:16:51  <frosch123> *simutrans

18:17:00  <andythenorth> [unknown]

18:17:07  <frosch123> ... i thought i got rid of those confusion errors

18:17:19  <andythenorth> I'm used to the current system, and when you've learnt it, it's all fine

18:17:21  <andythenorth> it is learnable

18:17:27  <andythenorth> it's just not obvious

18:18:18  <frosch123> FLHerne: __slots__ sounds like the thing eints needs

18:19:22  <frosch123> oh, it's a all-or-nothing decision?

18:19:46  <FLHerne> Slots?

18:19:51  <FLHerne> A bit, yes

18:19:53  <FLHerne> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELpTgwjW4AA4dWU?format=jpg&name=orig

18:20:21  <frosch123> who opened that door?

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18:24:22  <andythenorth> "oops"

18:24:34  <andythenorth> nice cargo sprites though

18:24:53  * andythenorth BBL

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20:29:07  <andythenorth> is cat?

20:32:33  <frosch123> cat got lunched

20:32:43  <andythenorth> lunch errors were made

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21:01:20  <andythenorth> hmm can't play tanks

21:01:26  <andythenorth> Fridays, too many drunks and fools :)

21:01:41  <andythenorth> let's play newgrf spec, a fine meta game

21:06:26  <andythenorth> https://wiki.openttd.org/NewGRF_Specification_Status

21:09:50  <andythenorth> trying to figure out if industry prop 0x13 is implemented in nml

21:09:54  <andythenorth> or if it's magic

21:10:25  <andythenorth> I can't see code for it in nml in the obvious places

21:16:11  <frosch123> https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/commit/8db309b5d1f499d104e6cb9dc722c2f08005db7f#diff-d1a886cb2dde0af9578bb803357ee81b <- that does not seem to contain it

21:16:11  <frosch123> neither in comit message nor in code

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21:21:14  <andythenorth> I concluded it's missing

21:21:40  <andythenorth> this deals with a lot of the deprecated industry vars, but isn't consistent with the vars listed in the table https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/commit/8db309b5d1f499d104e6cb9dc722c2f08005db7f#diff-2ade953655fa99533e042595d8bca43b

21:25:04  <Samu> https://openttd.mousetail.nl/ weird results

21:25:45  <Samu> rocketAI ranked above many good AIs, makes no sense

21:30:57  <frosch123> yes, production_rate_1/2 probably should also have been removed

21:31:59  <frosch123> ah, but 70/71 came later anyway, so maybe there is another commit

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21:53:31  <andythenorth> oof I stayed up too late for reading commits accurately :)

21:53:36  <andythenorth> elections :|

21:59:16  <frosch123> does independent scotland acknowledge the queen like australia/canada, or are they meh on monarchy?

22:01:03  <andythenorth> too complex to answer :)

22:01:32  <frosch123> uk seems quite complex :)

22:02:42  <andythenorth> not sure how it compares to other countries

22:02:46  <frosch123> apparently pre 1970 voting results did not have relevant scottish/welch parties

22:03:47  <frosch123> well, there were strong bavarian parties in the past, but their relevance has declined, while in uk regional parties seem to have gained

22:04:18  <andythenorth> it helps to treat it all as lolz

22:07:33  <frosch123> there were also some west-germany and east-germany specific parties after 1990, but their goal has always been to become relevant everywhere

22:10:24  <frosch123> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=86357 <- ah, the scotrail stuff does not fit into the vision of the british set :p

22:10:49  <frosch123> i didn't know newgrfs could be pushed into a political context :)

22:11:30  <andythenorth> anyone doing an Island of Ireland set needs to be very careful

22:11:50  <andythenorth> the Island of Ireland is very definitely not Ireland

22:11:56  <frosch123> though it's a mystery to me how england and scotland could have different trains

22:12:05  <frosch123> those trains look a lot more recent than the union

22:12:14  <andythenorth> after independence, we'll change the gauge

22:12:36  <andythenorth> like Russia

22:12:48  <andythenorth> or make the bridges lower, like the French did to prevent German trains

22:12:49  <frosch123> also driving side?

22:13:17  <andythenorth> hmm

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22:16:58  <andythenorth> planes cargo https://www.railpictures.net/photo/719456/

22:19:26  <frosch123> do not hump that car

22:22:14  <frosch123> hmm, ttdrussia seems to be online again, but noone seems to be active anymore

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22:26:56  <andythenorth> forums has posts

22:27:39  <frosch123> it was unreachable for about a year

22:27:55  <frosch123> so there are no posts between october 2018 and october 2019 or something like that

22:29:29  <andythenorth> google translate of this is interesting http://forums.ttdrussia.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=3700

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22:29:52  <frosch123> http://forums.ttdrussia.net/viewtopic.php?p=50549#p50549 <- bus as truck+pax-trailer

22:31:05  <andythenorth> there is an american equivalent somewhere

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23:15:20  <FLHerne> frosch123: "UK" definitely includes Scotland, so I don't quite understand what's going on there

23:15:55  <FLHerne> I'd assume it was "we have enough of that generation of EMU"

23:16:24  <FLHerne> But RUKTS has, like, five different kinds of virtually-identical Sprinter

23:20:49  <frosch123> sure, but why is there a difference in rl? there have been no bavaria-specific trains since 1920s

23:21:41  <FLHerne> Well, both of those classes are very new (in the last decade)

23:21:53  <FLHerne> And they just haven't been used anywhere outside Scotland

23:22:24  <FLHerne> I doubt "Scotland" is actually the issue, but no idea what is

23:24:41  <andythenorth> Scottish trains have to have a haggis warmer

23:24:53  <andythenorth> English trains have a special attachment to warm your beer

23:25:11  <andythenorth> Welsh trains have to be longer to fit the station names on

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23:25:24  <frosch123> sounds reasonable :)

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23:26:15  <andythenorth> only British tanks have a tea kettle included :P

23:27:19  <FLHerne> We have regional passenger franchises, which usually lease units long-term, so units tend to stay on a small set of routes

23:27:41  <frosch123> dutch tanks are said to have a caravan attachment

23:28:02  <FLHerne> And it happens that (so far) 380s and 385s have only been leased by Scotrail

23:32:32  <andythenorth> busy busy https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=41607&p=1227558#p1227558

23:33:16  <andythenorth> IRL ews.bbc.co.uk

23:33:52  <andythenorth> eh what?

23:34:01  <andythenorth> oh my new keyboard doesn't work, thanks Apple

23:34:10  <andythenorth> https://i2-prod.cheshire-live.co.uk/incoming/article6393529.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/cabot.jpg

23:43:08  <frosch123> he, i was about to say that the blue-recoloured industry looks weird. but then the real one is blue :p

23:44:37  <andythenorth> IRL industries come in weird colours, we just don't really notice

23:47:01  <FLHerne> Started a new game with FIRS Extreme again

23:47:11  <FLHerne> It's definitely too big for a casual game :P

23:48:17  <andythenorth> it's just a terrible design :)

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23:49:28  <andythenorth> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html#extreme

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