IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2019-10-31
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00:02:15 <TrueBrain> LordAro: you have to register yourself .. I cannot make the bot know you :p
00:03:30 <DorpsGek> LordAro: I don't recognize you.
00:03:46 <LordAro> TrueBrain: i don't follow. presumably you're not talking about nickserv
00:09:29 <TrueBrain> No, I am talking about DorpsGek
00:09:41 <TrueBrain> He doesn't know you because you aren't identified to it
00:09:48 <TrueBrain> Not an action I can take for you
00:09:59 <TrueBrain> That is all you to fix :D
00:10:36 <TrueBrain> (You did work with supybot before, not)
00:11:05 <LordAro> never worked on supybot
00:11:19 <TrueBrain> There you go :) now I can assign you permissions ... but it via mobile :p
00:11:55 <TrueBrain> Well .. with != on, but okay :)
00:32:54 <glx> would be nice if DorpsGek_III could be auto voiced on .notice
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09:33:44 <DorpsGek> dihedral: Rubidium was last seen in #openttd 24 weeks, 3 days, 14 hours, 31 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <Rubidium> are those from the same NewGRF?
09:33:54 <dihedral> what happened to him?
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09:57:28 <andythenorth> work + openttd burnout
09:58:12 <andythenorth> I don't know that for a fact, but it's a guess
10:02:34 <peter1138> Well, work burnout + openttd burnout + life burnout.
10:03:15 <andythenorth> Alberth has also retired for similar reason
10:03:44 <andythenorth> projects change :)
10:03:51 <peter1138> I haven't retired, just... not doing anything atm.
10:03:58 <dihedral> anybody have their postal address?
10:04:03 <dihedral> we could send them a card
10:04:09 <andythenorth> you sending christmas cards?
10:04:27 <andythenorth> I did try to get in touch with Yexo
10:04:34 <dihedral> we could do it the same way as with the openttdcoop assocciation
10:04:34 <andythenorth> but only via linkedin, so that will never work
10:05:00 <andythenorth> I don't have alberth or rubidium's address
10:05:06 <dihedral> snail mail a card from one person to the other, each sign and then the last person sends it on to rubidium
10:05:14 <dihedral> well i am sure someone in here does
10:05:16 <andythenorth> alberth answered my forum DM 3 days ago
10:05:38 <dihedral> did you message rubidium also?
10:05:50 <andythenorth> about a year ago, no reply
10:05:54 <dihedral> I would have though peter1138 to have a postal address
10:05:57 <andythenorth> he has been in this channel a few times since
10:06:38 <dihedral> TrueBrain, or planetmaker or even orudge ? you guyes got something ^
10:07:02 <peter1138> I have a postal address, yes.
10:07:42 <dihedral> peter1138, the idea would be to send a card from one person to the other, each sign, and you are the last in line. then you can send it on :-)
10:10:19 <peter1138> andythenorth may still have my address.
10:10:54 <andythenorth> forum DM search is crap :)
10:11:17 <LordAro> i could probably work out peter1138's address
10:11:23 <LordAro> or at least the street
10:11:31 <andythenorth> have you moved since 2014?
10:13:59 <dihedral> i am sure we can all find someone to share our address with :-P
10:14:58 <dihedral> perhaps we can start a list who would be interested in taking part
10:15:12 <peter1138> Shame that laptop died before I really got much chance to use it :-(
10:15:27 <peter1138> Some charging/logic board issue.
10:17:59 <Eddi|zuHause> V should know my adress
10:18:41 <andythenorth> I no longer have value-less old macs to give to openttd devs :(
10:18:55 <andythenorth> we sell all the old ones on eBay, they get about £500
10:23:04 <peter1138> I was not complaining! :-)
10:23:40 <andythenorth> I think fonso had one as well from me
10:23:50 <andythenorth> oh there's another long-lost-dev
10:23:56 <andythenorth> is fonsinchen still here?
10:26:12 <DorpsGek> peter1138: fonsinchen was last seen in #openttd 2 years, 34 weeks, 1 day, 16 hours, 19 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <fonsinchen> There we go.
10:26:31 <peter1138> I'll say that's a no, although now he's been highlighted, who knows...
10:30:14 <peter1138> Damn, I've been so inactive for so long :(
10:30:29 <peter1138> About the time I got into gaming on Windows.
10:31:01 <andythenorth> dunno, NRT, multiple docks
10:31:10 <andythenorth> couple of the big new features you did
10:31:19 <peter1138> That's barely anything in the activty graph.
10:31:33 <andythenorth> newgrf docks then :P
10:31:40 <peter1138> Belugas got burned out cos he implemented NewGRF industries for me, and I was gone by the time he finished it.
10:31:51 <andythenorth> what's left, besides newgrf docks and a rewrite?
10:32:02 <andythenorth> rewrite is such a bad idea :D
10:32:21 <andythenorth> I miss the music composition trading :P
10:32:24 <andythenorth> come back belugas
10:33:43 <andythenorth> you should do some commits :D
10:33:59 <dihedral> they were always by someone else
10:34:09 <peter1138> I used to work on some Linux-based audio tools as well.
10:34:27 <peter1138> That all petered out, when I looked it was 10 years ago that me & belugas were making music.
10:35:06 <andythenorth> newgrf docks, 'newgrf stations are weird', station objects, consist management, watertypes, 1 tile locks, performance stuff, and a rewrite? o_O
10:35:22 <andythenorth> oh and mumble mumble GS
10:35:37 <andythenorth> also tanks in Blitz :P
10:35:45 <andythenorth> 3 hours of every day :P
10:37:48 <andythenorth> hmm, but I've mastered all the tank destroyers
10:37:54 <peter1138> Well, docks was coming on okay but I go stuck with layouts/no layouts and then someone mentioned state machines...
10:38:03 <andythenorth> in mediums I'm too slow and I make too many poor choices
10:38:07 <peter1138> And also there was variants but I got frustrated on that too :p
10:38:09 <andythenorth> maybe Blitz is over soon
10:38:33 <andythenorth> variants *might* be that I had a terrible idea and I might be regretting the whole thing
10:38:33 <peter1138> I don't even have the pics any more :p
10:39:08 <andythenorth> does twitch archive streams? :P
10:40:01 <dihedral> andythenorth, on youtube :-D
10:40:01 <peter1138> No. They are kept for a few weeks and that's it.
10:41:27 <peter1138> Hmm, wonder why I used GRF ID "PN 09 01"
10:41:38 <andythenorth> google images doesn't find them either
10:43:59 <peter1138> That's all there? That's the authoritative place after all?
10:44:08 <peter1138> Anyway, I wasn't doing development on my server.
10:44:21 <andythenorth> I didn't read the code, so I don't know if that's just the stuff that's already merged to master
10:44:23 <peter1138> I still have all that on a local VM on my desktop PC. Not backed up though.
10:44:55 <andythenorth> I haven't backed up for weeks
10:45:07 <peter1138> Problem is I need to back up the backups...
10:45:11 <andythenorth> dropbox, gmail, icloud, github, bitbucket :P
10:45:32 <andythenorth> there is stuff I would be sad about if my mac bricks, but 85% of it is covered
10:45:32 <dihedral> or some other cheap storage
10:46:07 <peter1138> ~/Projects/OpenTTD$ git branch | wc -l
10:46:34 <peter1138> Probably some of those are PR checkouts.
10:46:38 <dihedral> at least you still have the source of openttd on your computer :-(
10:46:40 <peter1138> Some are obsolete. Some are rebases.
10:47:11 <peter1138> Hmm, I have an idea.
10:47:33 <peter1138> I should uninstall lots of games from Steam that I never play, then I can use the spare storage as backup.
10:48:05 <peter1138> (1x 256GB M.2 SSD, 1x 256GB SATA SSD, and 2x 2TB SATA SSD should be enough for Windows)
10:48:12 <peter1138> That'll give me 2x 3TB HDD to use.
10:48:41 <peter1138> Although... I don't have anything else to put them in!
10:48:53 <peter1138> Yeah, my NAS has 2x 3TB and... it's full.
10:49:02 <dihedral> and if you are using windows, checkout veeam backup free
10:50:00 <peter1138> Seems to be VMWare related?
10:51:13 <peter1138> Remember when Google was not evil? And Google Chrome was good...
10:51:51 <dihedral> comes with a vmware background, however they have released a windows computer version which does a good job with cbt of local disks
10:52:30 <dihedral> we use the enterprise version for the vmware cluster, but workstations (also linux) are backup up with this
10:52:44 <dihedral> the really nice part is: if you need to restore an entire computer it is a charm
11:11:57 <Eddi|zuHause> my 4x3TB Raid5 is also full :/
11:16:35 <andythenorth> how do people gather so much stuff? :)
11:18:32 <Eddi|zuHause> TV recordings, mostly
11:18:40 <peter1138> Steam Humble Monthly :p
11:19:03 <andythenorth> yeah, so at work one of our companies does film
11:19:06 <Eddi|zuHause> my steam library is like 300GB
11:19:15 <andythenorth> there's 1 cubic metre of terrabyte hard drives
11:19:33 <andythenorth> we have to assess the lift capacity when we move office :P
11:20:00 <Eddi|zuHause> well, if you're dealing with film stuff, you're probably using uncompressed video
11:20:18 <andythenorth> from multiple cameras, at probably a 4:1 shooting ratio
11:20:28 <Eddi|zuHause> or at least, lossless image compression and no temporal compression
11:20:34 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: i'd move off that RAID5, you'll not recover it
11:21:17 <Sacro> Statistically once you get past 750GB you'll have a read failure during recovery
11:21:40 <Sacro> Though perhaps MTBF is different these days
11:22:13 <Eddi|zuHause> there's other errors than complete drive failures
11:22:44 <Sacro> That's just a single bit failure
11:23:23 <andythenorth> peter1138: newstations :P
11:23:57 <Eddi|zuHause> like, once i tried installing windows, and didn't unplug the raid disks, and it decided to use some of the raid for its boot stuff. had to resync that bit (500MB or so?)
11:28:53 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, prefer RAID6 over 5
11:29:25 <dihedral> if the hot spare has to jump in there is a lower risk of it killing any other disk during the rebuild
11:29:59 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: yes, but i didn't have enough budget for 4 disks, and when i got the 4th i needed the space.
11:30:12 <andythenorth> what happened to RAID 10? Or was that just marketing?
11:30:52 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: and next i'd probably upgrade the disk size, which will be... tricky
11:31:04 <peter1138> RAID6 and RAID5 are less common these days.
11:31:22 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: raid 10 is more for when you are using 2 separate physical locations
11:31:23 <dihedral> raid 10 is fun when you do not have too many disks and need the performance
11:31:26 <peter1138> Disks are cheap so the performance hit is not worth it.
11:31:32 <dihedral> raid 6 across 24 and more disks is the real joy :-P
11:31:44 <andythenorth> are we still striping for performance?
11:31:54 <peter1138> RAID5 and RAID6 don't scale well with lots of disks.
11:31:57 * andythenorth is so out of the loop these days
11:32:04 <Eddi|zuHause> striping as in raid0?
11:32:08 <dihedral> peter1138, netapp :-P
11:32:24 <peter1138> RAID5 generally means you can survive one failure.
11:32:30 <dihedral> + block level deduplication
11:32:59 <peter1138> Problem with failures is they tend to cascade as you get a flurry of unusual activity when rebuilding.
11:33:09 <andythenorth> how fast to we need to record TV shows anyway? :)
11:33:45 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: as fast as the data comes in. :p
11:34:26 <andythenorth> are you still spinning disks?
11:34:53 <Eddi|zuHause> for the things that need lots of space? yes.
11:35:02 <andythenorth> I took one apart to show my kids
11:35:14 <andythenorth> how things from the olden days worked
11:35:16 <dihedral> i get more sas storage than ssd for the same amount of money
11:35:26 <dihedral> totally depends on the purpose
11:35:42 <Eddi|zuHause> if you're playing games, you're better off with SSDs
11:35:55 <Eddi|zuHause> because there the access time matters the most
11:36:27 * dihedral recalls a youtube video demonstrating 10 ssd's with raid0 :D
11:37:21 <andythenorth> sas is quite expensive?
11:38:05 <dihedral> hitachi disks with netapp firmware are around 1k eur for 1.8 tb
11:39:00 <dihedral> but that's just something we use at work
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13:32:32 <planetmaker> well, I do have alberth's address somewhere... I think. But he's not out-of-the-world.
13:32:50 <DorpsGek> LordAro: Alberth was last seen in #openttd 14 weeks, 1 day, 18 hours, 11 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <Alberth> andy: I bisected the build-train bug back to d54b6ac09b6fe88c09f7886739fe9c05f16b8222 (feb 28th)
13:33:15 <LordAro> hadn't realised it had been quite that long
13:33:21 <planetmaker> but... for what reason do we need RL addresses and snail mail cards?
13:33:41 <LordAro> dihedral had "an idea"
13:36:35 <planetmaker> and yexo surely can be stalked via facebook :P
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14:02:38 <peter1138> My Garmin ran out of juice mid ride last night.
14:02:48 <peter1138> This would normally be "okay" as I can use the Strava app as a backup.
14:02:59 <peter1138> However... they've removed support for external sensors!
14:03:14 <peter1138> Like... something that was totally working fine for me, completely removed because some people had bugs with it. Huh.
14:04:54 <Eddi|zuHause> was andy in charge of that? :p
14:07:45 <peter1138> And damn, my favourite discount supplies doesn't have the protein bars I like :(
14:15:45 <andythenorth> is it lunch time?
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14:37:58 <andythenorth> did anyone approved the README yet? :P
14:42:15 <peter1138> I have lunch timed.
14:42:47 <peter1138> Actually I'm still eating because my salad was huge. I need to stop doing that. Everyone thinks it's two meals :/
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15:24:54 <dihedral> LordAro> dihedral had "an idea" <- thanks for the quotes
15:24:58 <dihedral> peter1138, what garmin?
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15:26:43 <peter1138> It was very cold and wasn't fully charged, so it just gave up a bit sooner than expected.
15:28:24 <dihedral> thought someone here might be in to aviation :)
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15:35:53 <LordAro> dihedral: i mean, you didn't elaborate further
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15:42:04 <dihedral> yeah i did - a card which can be signed by whoever wants to, to send greetings to those missing
15:43:10 <LordAro> my bad, must have missed that
15:43:14 <LordAro> does sound like a nice idea :)
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16:07:44 <peter1138> 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 108 099 006 Pre-fail Always - 16932064
16:08:09 <peter1138> That seems high, considering smart errors reported is 0.
16:08:46 <LordAro> the two are not necessarily linked
16:08:52 <LordAro> reading smart data is basically a black art
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16:09:01 <LordAro> sometimes the values mean something, sometimes they don't
16:09:11 <LordAro> and "smart errors" is almost never useful
16:13:15 <peter1138> 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 108 099 006 Pre-fail Always - 16947568
16:13:19 <peter1138> That's... gone up quickly
16:15:55 <LordAro> mm, i'd be very concerned about that disk
16:16:01 <LordAro> no offline sectors or anything though?
16:17:50 <peter1138> 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 010 Pre-fail Always - 0
16:18:16 <peter1138> 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 31
16:18:20 <peter1138> 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 085 085 000 Old_age Always - 13530
16:18:30 <peter1138> Looks like it's been left powered on for a while o_O
16:18:47 <DorpsGek> LordAro: 436.451612903
16:18:59 <DorpsGek> LordAro: 18.1666666667
16:19:16 <LordAro> 2-3 weeks at a time? i do that
16:19:33 <peter1138> Probably not, probably always on and an occasional reboot, heh.
16:19:39 <peter1138> This is an external USB drive.
16:19:51 <peter1138> (But it's a regular 3.5" 7200RPM drive inside)
16:21:13 <peter1138> The seek error rate is a 48bit value, 1852733 is 0x0000001C453D hex. First 16bits is 0x0000, last 32bits are 0x001C453D. Basically, zero seek errors over 1852733 total seeks. Source
16:21:28 <peter1138> So it's that mean *seeks* not seek errors.
16:21:51 <peter1138> I misread Seagate as Samsung, heh.
16:22:11 <peter1138> I think the it's a Samsung USB enclosure, with a Seagate drive, heh.
16:22:31 <LordAro> this doesn't surprise me at all
16:22:35 <LordAro> like i said, black art
16:22:40 <peter1138> I'm gonna say, despite not being new, it's safe. There's no IO errors reported, no remapped sectors.
16:22:52 <peter1138> Anyway, it's plugged in to a raspberry pi.
16:23:33 <peter1138> I'm just using it instead of the MicroSD for frequently written stuff. Logs, email.
16:23:43 <peter1138> Okay, so email is kinda important, but I'll back that up.
16:24:02 <peter1138> I'd use NFS but NFS on my NAS gets really confused with user mapping.
16:24:15 <peter1138> Also, large files + NFS is not really good.
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16:32:06 <peter1138> I was thinking about switching to maildir, but large folders are not that good either :p
16:33:43 <LordAro> maildir is much better for backing up
16:33:51 <LordAro> (with rsync-ish stuff)
16:34:26 <peter1138> I'm using dovecot which also has its own formats which are "better" but then you are locked into dovecot.
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17:18:56 <peter1138> Hmm, now, should I find another USB disk and run it in a RAID1 config... hehe
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17:40:27 <_dp_> how do I set up git fork that only updates to releases?
17:40:55 <_dp_> i.e. I want to be able to merge/rebase to a specific tag/commit without fetching everything into my repo
17:42:25 <_dp_> I did it previously with a branch that I updated manually from source packages but that feels kinda wrong :/
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18:05:57 <LordAro> _dp_: not sure you can
18:06:08 <LordAro> given tags are just commits
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19:15:33 <NGC3982> im on leia and i cant seem to locate it
19:16:44 <NGC3982> oh, im in the wrong place
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19:45:48 <Wolf01> Holy fuck LEGO... 543543 shippings and blocked my credit card because of suspicious transactions
19:49:59 <Wolf01> I already unlocked it, but now the lego assistance is closed... probably until monday, I sent them an email with "retry with the payment"
19:52:00 <NGC3982> what a world we live in.
19:54:29 <Wolf01> Why not? They had it since... the 70's?
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23:51:56 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #7767: Large numbers of trains and signals cause low FPS https://git.io/Je8mF
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