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00:12:53 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nazdakka opened issue #7798: On a large and very heavily-developed map, ordering a vehicle to station A sends the vehicle to station B instead https://git.io/Je09p
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00:21:32 <LordAro> that's the same as the others
00:45:43 <glx> hmm and DorpsGek_III is silent now
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09:15:22 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh closed issue #7798: On a large and very heavily-developed map, ordering a vehicle to station A sends the vehicle to station B instead https://git.io/Je09p
09:15:26 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #7798: On a large and very heavily-developed map, ordering a vehicle to station A sends the vehicle to station B instead https://git.io/Je09p
09:35:50 <andythenorth> that bug is a source of failure demand :P
09:55:58 <LordAro> though i do need yo update the PR
09:59:03 <peter1138> Fucks sake, why do I keep doing that :/
09:59:31 <peter1138> Come home late, have a little bite to snack on... suddenly... shit how much have I just eaten!? :S
10:04:22 <andythenorth> I drank enough last night that my head hurts
10:04:29 <andythenorth> but not enough to take painkillers
10:05:58 <peter1138> I drink soft drink, mid-week innit.
10:06:27 <andythenorth> Thursday used to offiically be the weekend
10:06:33 <andythenorth> did I miss a memo?
10:07:10 <peter1138> But I had a nice dinner, different to my usual fayre, went out to watch Terminator: Dark Fate, and then... finished off some snacks. Boo. Like a meal's worth. So easy with snacks :(
10:07:25 <LordAro> peter1138: film any good?
10:08:06 <peter1138> Yeah, I liked it. But then I liked Terminator: Genisys.
10:08:21 <peter1138> (I never watched 3 or Salvation, though)
10:08:41 <peter1138> I think those two were meant to be the flops.
10:08:54 <peter1138> I saw Terminator 1 & 2 back to back in the cinema last month, to prep :-)
10:09:15 <peter1138> Watching a film from 1984 on the big screen is pretty fun.
10:09:48 <andythenorth> hmm, maybe I am dehydrated
10:09:49 <peter1138> Very little CGI in the first one.
10:09:53 <andythenorth> I hate drinking water :(
10:10:00 <andythenorth> gun, boots, motorcycle
10:10:01 <peter1138> Put flavouring in it.
10:10:11 <andythenorth> usually I make it hot and coffee flavoured
10:10:18 <peter1138> andythenorth, so do that.
10:10:25 <andythenorth> or I buy it in a bottle flavoured with barley, malt, hops
10:10:49 <peter1138> A mug of coffee is more hydrating than no water.
10:13:14 <peter1138> (Wow, such large image)
10:14:58 <andythenorth> we had lemon Fanta in it
10:15:08 <andythenorth> apparently that's Majorcan style
10:15:18 <peter1138> So I had ~ 800 kcal last night.
10:15:19 <andythenorth> so what do I need to do for 1.10? :P
10:15:41 <peter1138> However, I just had 220 for breakfast, and did a 50 minute cycle commute.
10:16:09 * peter1138 ponders half a protein bar.
10:16:30 <peter1138> All the multiple docks bugs fixed?
10:16:43 <peter1138> I'd fire up my dev environment but I'm too lazy now :(
10:16:55 <LordAro> andythenorth: list of changes since i last updated it would be good
10:16:56 <peter1138> I guess I need some motivation to get back to devving.
10:17:16 <peter1138> I even have shed loads of RAM now so I can't even use that excuse (I had shed loads anyway)
10:17:24 <peter1138> I'm not sure why but I upgraded my desktop PC to 64GB.
10:17:42 <peter1138> I *have* seen it past 32GB now though.
10:18:01 <peter1138> And it allowed me to allocate more to my dev Linux VM. And Minecraft.
10:18:16 <peter1138> What size is the map array now?
10:18:51 <peter1138> I'd look for the docs but andythenorth's probably deleted them.
10:18:53 <LordAro> 8 + 4 sounds about right
10:19:19 <LordAro> don't think we've let him touch the html docs :p
10:19:55 <LordAro> ooi, why is it in 2 separate structures?
10:20:24 <peter1138> 8 byte + 4 byte alignment is more efficient than 12 byte alignment.
10:20:38 <peter1138> And certainly 8 + 1 was.
10:20:59 <LordAro> doesn't cpu caching make that less relevant now?
10:21:00 <peter1138> Cool so the largest map is 200MB, at least for the landscape.
10:21:17 <LordAro> given cache lines are 64 bytes (or something much bigger than 12)
10:21:19 <peter1138> LordAro, feel free to benchmark it :-)
10:21:44 <peter1138> Is there a patchpack that'll let me max my RAM?
10:22:34 <LordAro> peter1138: minecraft modpack
10:22:58 <LordAro> though jvm would struggle to get that high, i think
10:23:12 <peter1138> 48GB for a 64kx64k map? Have I messed that up?
10:23:32 <peter1138> Hah, I remember trying to run one of the big mod packs on my old Q6600. With 6GB.
10:23:43 <peter1138> It failed loading, after about 10 minutes.
10:24:10 <DorpsGek> LordAro: 51539607552
10:24:16 <michi_cc> LordAro: i386 has a *8 indexed addressing mode, but no *12 mode. Whether the compiler is in fact using it is quite a different thing though :)
10:24:27 <peter1138> Hmm, rain tomorrow. Another lazy day perhaps?
10:25:19 <LordAro> maybe just bump the whole thing to 16 and remove some of the bit twiddling hacks :p
10:26:04 <peter1138> Full C++ OOP structures...
10:26:54 <LordAro> peter1138: i was just wondering how possible it would be to have some sort of inheritance for the different tile types :p
10:27:52 <peter1138> last year? It's not even that old...
10:28:21 <LordAro> michi_cc: what still needs doing? :p
10:28:41 <peter1138> Updating for NRT and multiple docks at least.
10:30:00 <LordAro> and SmallVector removal
10:30:36 <michi_cc> Staions are not fully finished yet. And I've been wanting to add a MP_ANIMATION type to reduce MP_HOUSE and MP_STATION map space.
10:31:10 <michi_cc> After that, the next step would be to rearange the tile struct into something smaller. Then you can add multi-layer access and devirtualize bridges and tunnels.
10:34:42 <michi_cc> Oh, and of course find all the conversion bugs that I've added as special features :p
10:37:30 <peter1138> There's probably already some of those.
11:08:03 <andythenorth> "OpenTTD is still dying"
11:08:27 * andythenorth did not delete the html docs btw :P
11:09:20 <andythenorth> but there is no obvious method that doesn't involve running them through a web service
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11:42:25 <LordAro> it's a shame that the raw view doesn't display the html
11:42:44 <LordAro> wouldn't be unopposed to converting them to md though
11:42:53 <LordAro> would be more readable in an unrendered form as well :)
11:42:56 <andythenorth> I looked, the md format for tables is less good
11:43:13 <andythenorth> I wouldn't want to make that change and try to get it approved :)
11:43:16 <andythenorth> feel free though :)
11:44:08 <andythenorth> they rely on a lot of whitespace management to maintain alignment
11:44:29 <andythenorth> so if one cell changes (too wide for example), potentially the entire table has to be manually adjusted
11:50:05 <LordAro> no different to code comment alignments
11:50:18 <LordAro> build enough in to begin with, and you should be fine
12:29:45 <andythenorth> I seriously considered having a pandoc conversion
12:30:16 <andythenorth> but frosch convinced me that projects should avoid creating doc building systems
12:36:20 <LordAro> our work one is xml based
12:36:25 <LordAro> it's horrid and i hate it
12:36:40 <andythenorth> xml sounds like the worst place to start :)
12:37:12 <andythenorth> we used to use xml content to drive flash interfaces
12:37:31 <andythenorth> then we moved to keeping the xml in an object database, as strings, because we were clueless and lolz
14:00:49 <milek7> maybe docs/ directory could be hosted with github pages?
14:01:06 <milek7> "If your site is associated with an existing project, you can add the source code for your site to a gh-pages branch or a docs folder on the master branch in that project's repository. "
14:06:00 <andythenorth> GitHub pages is (1) quite weird (2) quite cool
14:06:21 <andythenorth> it's easy to configure it on and test, I'll try it in my fork
14:11:50 <andythenorth> I was trying different settings to try and make the root path show something
14:12:36 <andythenorth> change the path to ^
14:13:28 <andythenorth> not sure how to trick it into running Jekyll and rendering the .md
14:20:27 <andythenorth> anyway, if someone has rights on the main repo, they could turn on GH pages
14:33:23 <milek7> .md are rendered with output in .html
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14:38:04 <peter1138> And twitted important twits.
14:45:19 <andythenorth> oh it's not chocolate :o
14:52:34 <planetmaker> andythenorth, 5 bit are sufficient to model those hight levels ;)
14:52:45 <planetmaker> so... we have even way more :D
14:52:52 <andythenorth> I didn't actually count them :)
14:53:03 <planetmaker> 28 from bottom to top. or somewhat
14:53:09 <andythenorth> landscape generator option: "Giant spiral pit mine"
14:53:32 <andythenorth> dedicated industry set :P
14:56:01 <planetmaker> btw, nice cleanup on the dev wiki pages :)
15:03:13 <andythenorth> needs to be the whole map :P
15:36:44 <peter1138> I think I'm broken :(
15:36:55 <peter1138> Trying to decide if I can be bothered to cycle tomorrow.
15:37:07 <peter1138> Why am I even considering that? o_O
15:40:39 <andythenorth> mistakes were made
15:44:48 <peter1138> It used to be I'd always be going out, unless the weather is bad.
15:44:56 <peter1138> Now I just can't be arsed .
15:47:03 <andythenorth> but cycling long distances
15:47:06 <andythenorth> is very good for you
15:47:37 <peter1138> Yeah. I'm doing 45 km a day commuting.
15:47:42 <peter1138> That's probably it.
15:47:50 <peter1138> I used to do 25 km a day.
15:53:27 <peter1138> ^ Lunch... but I already ate it, except the Tyrrells.
15:53:51 <andythenorth> I am eating fishfingers chips and salad
15:53:59 <peter1138> Did you have salad cream with it?
15:54:18 <andythenorth> and a mac+cheese
15:54:29 <peter1138> And a mac-cheese? o_O
15:54:43 <peter1138> I had some fruit and a soreen thing.
15:55:20 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #7791: GS method to allow company to use an engine before its intro date https://git.io/JeEeF
16:04:23 * andythenorth wonders about an option for 'years elapsed' instead of calendar dates :P
16:15:03 <nielsm> callback controlled introduction dates
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16:45:32 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas commented on issue #7784: SDL2: Not possible to use the up/down keys in the console https://git.io/JeBy6
16:54:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i had lunch twice today
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17:37:50 <_dp_> hm, people are somehow getting money out of thin air and I've no idea how...
17:38:00 <_dp_> any money bugs reported recently?
17:38:06 <_dp_> except that silly "exploit"
17:39:34 <supermop_work> i want some thin air money
17:40:49 <_dp_> nielsm, no, sending disabled
17:41:16 <_dp_> also goes by 10m per action
17:47:00 <nielsm> does it show up in their finances window?
17:48:40 <nielsm> maybe try patching company_cmd.cpp SubtractMoneyFromCompany to do some kind of logging (maybe even a trigger a minidump/coredump) if the cost is sufficiently large positive or negative
17:49:17 <nielsm> otherwise you'd probably have to enable the desync command logging to get a full transcript of the commands performed
17:49:46 <_dp_> yeah, I have command log just don't save it
17:50:00 <_dp_> so if I catch them doing it again I'll likely know what's going on
17:51:49 <nielsm> if you do log commands, maybe then just patch SubtractMoneyFromCompany to log which tick/date any large transactions happened on
17:51:57 <nielsm> (assuming it happens as a single action)
17:56:06 <_dp_> well, so far it happened about 3 times in last 2 weeks so may need to wait eternity for that logging to trigger
17:56:12 <_dp_> so I'll just dig into code first
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18:27:56 <planetmaker> _dp_, and it's not related to taking loans and/or buying/selling company shares?
18:28:10 <planetmaker> taking out max loan does iirc show up in other as income
18:30:18 <_dp_> idk, shouldn't be, it's not like you can just take 10m loan
18:32:32 <_dp_> may not even be vanilla issue tbh
18:32:33 <planetmaker> depends on inflation setting and currency
18:32:41 <_dp_> I just asked in case I missed some bugs
18:32:51 <planetmaker> it's one action to take max allowed loan
18:33:25 <_dp_> inflation off currency gbp
18:34:52 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> taking out max loan does iirc show up in other as income <-- that sounds wrong
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18:36:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think it does
19:01:31 <andythenorth> WallyWeb is getting "The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified."
19:06:24 <Eddi|zuHause> or do you mean the download itself?
19:06:56 <andythenorth> he said the page
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19:34:54 <LordAro> WallyWeb uses WinXP, so they'll be missing SNI support
19:35:05 <LordAro> a significant part of the internet won't work for them
19:37:08 <Wolf01> I still use WinXP too... but on a offline laptop and for just one software which uses particular drivers
20:23:13 <Echonn> Hey folks. What exactly do the service cars in the 2cc Trains set do?
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20:59:25 <nielsm> I'm traveling to japan on vacation (again) on sunday and I'm doing all sorts of things that aren't really preparation for that
21:01:02 <Wolf01> Nice, I'm trying to travel to Japan again at the end of the next year
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21:20:12 <andythenorth> wallyweb has Windows 10 Home
21:20:22 <andythenorth> hmm, who can approve website PRs?
21:21:31 <LordAro> andythenorth: what needs approving?
21:22:44 <LordAro> could wait until 1/11 ?
21:23:06 <andythenorth> I think the moment will have passed
21:23:10 <andythenorth> news goes out of date
21:23:34 <andythenorth> I actually think we should abandon the news section of the website
21:23:37 <andythenorth> and just use forums
21:23:40 <andythenorth> but that's a different question
21:23:45 <LordAro> i thought forums were dead?
21:23:55 <andythenorth> they are, but so is news
21:24:11 <andythenorth> we could cross-post to reddit
21:27:21 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stormcone commented on pull request #7582: Use shift + click to show vehicles' group. https://git.io/JeELS
21:27:53 <glx> ah yes IPv6 is dead again
21:28:59 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #7582: Use shift + click to show vehicles' group. https://git.io/JeELH
21:30:50 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #7582: Use shift + click to show vehicles' group. https://git.io/JeEL5
21:31:42 <LordAro> maybe we should have an ipv4.openttd.org...
21:32:09 <milek7> or just disabling ipv6 for now
21:33:08 <glx> restoring ipv6 is easy, just needs to touch the proxy, but only one person knows how to :)
21:33:48 <glx> and it's the same that can disable ipv6 too ;)
21:34:47 <milek7> anyway, didn't browsers implement 'Happy Eyeballs' RFC?
21:42:22 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stormcone commented on pull request #7582: Use shift + click to show vehicles' group. https://git.io/JeEte
21:49:12 <Eddi|zuHause> "happy eyeballs"? sounds like april 1st meets october 31st...
21:51:21 <glx> but ipv6 "works" from the browser point of view
21:58:07 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stormcone opened pull request #7800: Easier access for vehicles' group window. https://git.io/JeEtl
22:05:56 <TrueBrain> glx: you are getting slow in reopening these tickets :P
22:06:08 <TrueBrain> I want to switch to Azure .... it is only twice as expensive ....
22:16:53 <TrueBrain> I wonder why I didn't get a reply back from Azure yet .. 2 weeks now .. you would think their sales is not that lazy .. *puzzled*
22:40:13 <andythenorth> also @seen frosch123
22:40:19 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: frosch123 was last seen in #openttd 3 days, 23 hours, 49 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <frosch123> milek7: no, you can also remove water in factorio, it's equaly rare as in ottd
22:40:29 <andythenorth> frosch has left the building :P
22:51:21 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #7800: Easier access for vehicles' group window. https://git.io/JeEqM
23:00:11 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 opened issue #7801: Error messages for reaching landscaping/tree planting/tile clearing limits are not mapped to the Script API. https://git.io/JeEme
23:02:41 <andythenorth> should I ask James103 to start filing PRs not just reports? o_O
23:02:46 <andythenorth> or impose a quota? o_O
23:04:21 <LordAro> maybe we should actually fix the things he reports :p
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23:06:09 <nielsm> can't we just put the "good for new contributors" tag on it and call it a day?
23:06:49 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stormcone commented on pull request #7800: Easier access for vehicles' group window. https://git.io/JeEmT
23:23:48 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #7793: Codechange: Don't use SDL_CreateRGBSurfaceWithFormat() https://git.io/JeEmC
23:23:59 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro closed issue #7785: SDL2: Version 2.0.5 is required, but configure script only checks for 2.0 https://git.io/JeBy1
23:24:00 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro merged pull request #7793: Codechange: Don't use SDL_CreateRGBSurfaceWithFormat() https://git.io/JeRHz
23:30:09 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro updated pull request #7717: Codechange: [OSX] Use std::unique_ptr with a custom deleter to simply… https://git.io/fjp43
23:31:20 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro updated pull request #7717: Codechange: [OSX] Use std::unique_ptr with a custom deleter to simply… https://git.io/fjp43
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23:34:53 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro updated pull request #7717: Codechange: [OSX] Use std::unique_ptr with a custom deleter to simply… https://git.io/fjp43
23:35:53 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro merged pull request #7699: Fix: Possible double path separator in FiosMakeFilename https://git.io/fjddy
23:37:14 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #7710: Fix: Fix bugs in airport finite state machines https://git.io/JeEmr
23:42:34 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh merged pull request #7710: Fix: Fix bugs in airport finite state machines https://git.io/fjp0Y
23:43:46 <LordAro> there was a patch in the forums somewhere that had aircraft reversing out of their spots
23:44:01 <LordAro> i really like that one, would be good to get it
23:46:09 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh approved pull request #7717: Codechange: [OSX] Use std::unique_ptr with a custom deleter to simply… https://git.io/JeEm9
23:49:11 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #7595: Possible fix for #7430: when train visits station, only reset time_since_pickup if has room to load https://git.io/JeEm7
23:51:11 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #7729: Add #7525: Allow autoreplace with same model vehicle https://git.io/JeEm5
23:55:04 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7595: Possible fix for #7430: when train visits station, only reset time_since_pickup if has room to load https://git.io/JeEmA
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