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01:00:58  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Mysteron347 commented on issue #7776: Go To Depot default https://git.io/Je4ab

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08:19:53  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #7776: Go To Depot default https://git.io/Je4ab

08:22:50  <andythenorth> moin

08:36:22  <andythenorth> GH could use an easier way to add emoticons :P

08:45:01  <Eddi|zuHause> i do think there's a case to set some default behaviours

08:51:02  <andythenorth> changing current?  Or new options in settings?

08:54:22  <Eddi|zuHause> option

08:54:42  <Eddi|zuHause> well, possibly changing current default, but that's a big discussion...

08:55:12  <andythenorth> are options for defaults orthogonal to all the complications with orders, timetables etc?

08:55:49  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, mostly.

08:56:13  <andythenorth> if we're talking about https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/7776 I see the case for it

08:56:20  <andythenorth> just every setting has a cost

08:56:23  <Eddi|zuHause> unless you're completely revamping the way orders are given, they have no real relation with how they are presented

08:56:44  <andythenorth> scriptable UI :P

08:56:55  <Eddi|zuHause> ... no :p

08:56:59  <andythenorth> expose *all* defaults in the ini

08:58:10  <andythenorth> GS

08:58:44  * andythenorth looks in NoGo docs to see if GS can modify orders

08:58:51  <Eddi|zuHause> sure

08:59:07  <Eddi|zuHause> how else would an AI set up routes?

09:00:23  <andythenorth> I can't tell if NoGO has set as well as get

09:00:23  <andythenorth> https://nogo.openttd.org/api/1.9.0/classGSOrder.html

09:00:56  <andythenorth> but if it does, when the GS runs, it could just change all orders of type x to type y

09:01:04  <andythenorth> problem solved

09:04:21  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: again, what i tried to tell planetmaker yesterday, the GS can't actually react on your actions. it can only continually scan the current game state, and that game state that it must observe may be huge

09:04:46  <andythenorth> yes

09:04:54  <andythenorth> that's why it's an interesting problem

09:05:21  <andythenorth> I am well aware it's not event driven in a callback-response fashion

09:05:35  <andythenorth> that's also why most of the 'fix x in GS' suggestions are useless :P

09:07:02  <andythenorth> maybe we should release an experimental OpenTTD with multi-GS :P

09:07:05  <andythenorth> and see what happens

09:07:19  <andythenorth> build binaries from a branch tracking master

09:08:55  <Eddi|zuHause> ... you could also release binaries where magic bulldozer is always enabled and see what happens...

09:09:13  <andythenorth> you think GS will always be unable to co-operate? o_O

09:09:19  <andythenorth> or it's a performance issue?

09:10:13  <Eddi|zuHause> there's absolutely no way that users can check whether two GS are conflicting, and i'd not trust the programmers to properly decide that either

09:12:05  <andythenorth> imagine the fun that can be had :D

09:12:31  <andythenorth> oof hidden deliberate griefing GS

10:06:52  <planetmaker> <Eddi|zuHause> there's absolutely no way that users can check whether two GS are conflicting, and i'd not trust the programmers to properly decide that either <-- under that assumption we should nver have allowed more than one NewGRF

10:07:33  <planetmaker> (not saying the assumption is wrong)

10:07:42  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: but that was out of our control, as newgrfs existed before we implemented support for them

10:08:17  <Eddi|zuHause> als, with NewGRFs you can more easily separate them by scope

10:08:22  <Eddi|zuHause> *also

10:08:36  <planetmaker> that is easy to do with GS as well

10:08:40  <planetmaker> separating scope

10:09:08  <Eddi|zuHause> no, because the scope isn't built into the language as deeply as with NewGRFs

10:09:19  <Eddi|zuHause> and GS is more complex

10:10:08  <planetmaker> no... you can easily make vehicles which are useless - as the industries have different cargoes. You can easily make roads which no vehicle can use etc

10:10:15  <planetmaker> it's as inter-connected as GS

10:10:34  <planetmaker> where you have one which takes care of towns. The other helps logging. And the third calculates scores based on whatever

10:10:57  <planetmaker> NewGRF scoping only seemingly is more disconnected while it is not really

10:11:24  <planetmaker> (as every newgrf programmer knows... you have to take care of other newgrf)

10:11:35  <planetmaker> in some fashion at least

10:11:51  <Eddi|zuHause> this is a completely worthless discussion, tbh

10:12:04  <peter1138> Hellol.

10:12:10  <planetmaker> yes, indeed. You always seem to say that at some stage ;)

10:12:11  <peter1138> Is it lunch time?

10:12:23  <peter1138> Have state-machines been mentioned yet?

10:12:34  <Eddi|zuHause> huh? i don't remember saying that, at all...

10:43:15  <peter1138> Oh, we killed it.

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15:59:58  <supermop_work> yo

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18:15:22  <Eddi|zuHause> does anybody actually ever want to watch this? https://www.twitch.tv/eddijk

18:30:54  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern updated pull request #7710: Fix: Fix bugs in airport finite state machines https://git.io/fjp0Y

18:30:54  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern dismissed a review for pull request #7710: Fix: Fix bugs in airport finite state machines https://git.io/JeR0e

18:34:12  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern commented on pull request #7710: Fix: Fix bugs in airport finite state machines https://git.io/Je0Xw

18:38:52  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I watch it for a few minutes every time to see what other games look like

18:38:53  <supermop_work> im watching now Eddi|zuHause

18:39:09  <supermop_work> im watching it autosave?

18:39:28  <Eddi|zuHause> it does that occasionally :p

18:39:29  <supermop_work> that constellation looked like it was flying pretty low

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18:47:17  <Eddi|zuHause> duno why i bother with these planes, almost nobody seems to use them

18:47:54  <milek7> flying under overpass on approach was weird ;P

18:53:42  <Eddi|zuHause> i should probably move that bridge out of the way :p

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20:46:12  <andythenorth> quiet day eh?

20:46:17  <andythenorth> did we even have lunch? :)

20:46:52  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not entirely sure

20:49:15  <andythenorth> well I am going for dinner

20:49:16  <andythenorth> for definite

20:49:17  <andythenorth>  :P

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20:55:53  <Eddi|zuHause> ... i have no idea how to untangle this bottleneck... there isn't really much space for more parallel tracks...

21:04:11  <Eddi|zuHause> and it crashed

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23:00:37  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Nik-mmzd commented on issue #7784: SDL2: Not possible to use the up/down keys in the console https://git.io/JeBy6

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