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00:15:06  <LordAro> nnyby: don't suppose you'd like to take a look at #7783, #7784 & #7785 ? :)



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00:22:19  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl opened pull request #7791: GS method to allow company to use an engine before its intro date https://git.io/JeREi



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02:04:52  <nnyby> yes



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03:33:04  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #7791: GS method to allow company to use an engine before its intro date https://git.io/JeRzH



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07:17:37  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas commented on issue #7785: SDL2: Version 2.0.5 is required, but configure script only checks for 2.0 https://git.io/JeBy1



07:19:38  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas commented on issue #7784: SDL2: Not possible to use the up/down keys in the console https://git.io/JeBy6



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08:32:12  <LordAro> morn



08:54:06  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7791: GS method to allow company to use an engine before its intro date https://git.io/JeRoM



09:21:21  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #7791: GS method to allow company to use an engine before its intro date https://git.io/JeRKl



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10:43:15  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7710: Fix: Fix bugs in airport finite state machines https://git.io/JeRiB



10:46:41  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7353: Feature: Measure vehicle capacity utilisation efficiency https://git.io/JeRiw



10:47:36  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7353: Feature: Measure vehicle capacity utilisation efficiency https://git.io/JeRio



10:48:28  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7353: Feature: Measure vehicle capacity utilisation efficiency https://git.io/JeRi6



10:52:19  <peter1138> Morning.



10:52:23  <peter1138> Is it lunch time yet?



10:54:25  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7353: Feature: Measure vehicle capacity utilisation efficiency https://git.io/JeRiS



10:56:24  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7353: Feature: Measure vehicle capacity utilisation efficiency https://git.io/JeRi7



10:56:53  <peter1138> That some comments.



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10:58:26  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7353: Feature: Measure vehicle capacity utilisation efficiency https://git.io/JeRiF



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11:18:57  <andythenorth> o/



11:21:38  <LordAro> peter1138: such is replying to individual review comments



11:21:41  <LordAro> bit annoying really



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11:24:18  <andythenorth> the review system is good



11:24:27  <andythenorth> but it hits a point



11:24:38  <andythenorth> where the amount of comment handling is daft



11:24:44  <andythenorth> and so many round trips and bollocks



11:25:01  * andythenorth has no solution :P



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11:55:43  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh merged pull request #7716: Add: [Script] ScriptEventVehicleAutoReplaced. https://git.io/fjplU



12:02:28  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7790: Doc: CONTRIBUTING.md - add official goals section, link from other se… https://git.io/JeRXC



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12:06:03  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7699: Fix: Possible double path separator in FiosMakeFilename https://git.io/JeRX4



12:07:35  <andythenorth> oof



12:07:45  <andythenorth> the amount of my life I spend changing caps back and forth :)



12:07:58  <andythenorth> blame case-insensitive domain names, presented conventionally as lower case :P



12:08:44  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth updated pull request #7790: Doc: CONTRIBUTING.md - add official goals section, link from other se… https://git.io/JeRRP



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13:40:08  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] j-pet commented on pull request #7699: Fix: Possible double path separator in FiosMakeFilename https://git.io/JeRMI



13:41:07  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] j-pet dismissed a review for pull request #7699: Fix: Possible double path separator in FiosMakeFilename https://git.io/JeR0U



13:41:07  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] j-pet updated pull request #7699: Fix: Possible double path separator in FiosMakeFilename https://git.io/fjddy



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14:33:52  <andythenorth> what is this? :) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/master/docs/openttd.6



14:34:55  <andythenorth> I did google .6 files but no useful answers



14:40:27  <LordAro> andythenorth: manpage



14:40:45  <andythenorth> ta



14:41:05  <LordAro> (section 6)



14:42:21  <andythenorth> not sure this doc is doing much for anyone :D https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/master/docs/landscape_externals.html



14:42:31  <andythenorth> it's just a list of bytes for house types afaict



14:43:12  <milek7> http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/roff.7.html



14:45:10  <milek7> https://www.gnu.org/software/groff/manual/groff.html#Man-font-macros



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15:25:27  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: please don't go around deleting docs because you can't imagine someone using them for anything



15:28:51  <andythenorth> who's going to find that one?



15:29:02  <andythenorth> it's not anywhere useful



15:29:15  <peter1138> It's in the source tree. How is that not useful?



15:29:50  <andythenorth> who said anything about deleting it?



15:30:12  <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, and prior history :p



15:30:36  <andythenorth> I mean it's a fair assumption, I'm hardly offended :P



15:30:48  <andythenorth> but I can't see any useful purpose in linking it from here https://wiki.openttd.org/Development



15:30:52  <andythenorth> which is what I'm working on



15:31:15  <andythenorth> I've linked most of the other docs in /docs from related wiki page



15:31:22  <andythenorth> which will linkrot horribly, but eh



15:32:21  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i imagine it being related to newgrf-specs



15:32:34  <andythenorth> me too



15:32:46  <Eddi|zuHause> i also imagine we should have more of that kind of table



15:32:47  <andythenorth> it's just a conversion of town_land.h to a html table isn't it?



15:33:20  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but we have more tables like that. industries, default vehicles and whatnot



15:33:41  <andythenorth> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/master/src/table/town_land.h



15:33:57  <andythenorth> we do, but not here https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/tree/master/docs



15:34:16  <andythenorth> they're near the end of this page https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Main_Page



15:34:30  <andythenorth> in fact https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/DefaultHouseProps



15:35:22  <Eddi|zuHause> that's what i said, right?



15:36:13  <andythenorth> yes



15:36:27  <andythenorth> I would rather leave the file as a stub linking to https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/DefaultHouseProps



15:36:34  <andythenorth> duplicated docs make me twitch



15:37:43  <Eddi|zuHause> it's no problem to have duplicated docs when the thing they're documenting is very unlikely to change



15:38:05  <andythenorth> well



15:38:28  <andythenorth> let's just say there's a lot less wiki since Sunday :P



15:38:35  <Eddi|zuHause> but yes, the wiki is better off linking to the other wiki, instead of the "offline" docs/ directory



15:39:07  <Eddi|zuHause> there is, however, a case for having offline-documentation in docs/



15:39:18  <andythenorth> I agree, but the project historically doesn't



15:39:46  <Eddi|zuHause> how is that an argument for anything?



15:40:07  <andythenorth> well, there's an additional case: general info docs shouldn't be in project repos



15:40:23  <andythenorth> it ties documentation updates to the release cycle



15:40:36  <andythenorth> and means docs have to go through onerous review-revise-merge cycle



15:40:54  <andythenorth> I have been converted from 'all docs in repo' approach :|



15:41:22  <andythenorth> if I was left alone to this, I'd put all 'official' docs in github, in .md, and have sphinx or something :P



15:41:28  <andythenorth> but it's a bad idea



15:41:49  <Eddi|zuHause> there's two points for this though, a) the aforementioned "it won't change anyway", and b) if it changes, it's tied to the correct version they're documenting



15:42:21  <andythenorth> my conclusion, after staring at this for about 7 days



15:42:26  <andythenorth> is we carry on as we are



15:42:37  <andythenorth> most dev docs are on the wiki



15:42:51  <andythenorth> we run a minimal doxygen that might get some traffic, who knows



15:43:05  <andythenorth> and a few docs are in /docs, some for good reasons, and some totally randomly



15:43:43  <andythenorth> peter1138: is it lunch?



15:53:59  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas commented on issue #7785: SDL2: Version 2.0.5 is required, but configure script only checks for 2.0 https://git.io/JeBy1



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16:06:31  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth opened pull request #7792: Doc: add note and link that there's a better version of the informati… https://git.io/JeRSo



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16:18:58  <andythenorth> added https://wiki.openttd.org/Map_array_(landscape_grid)



16:19:30  <andythenorth> think I'm done with wiki + existing dev docs :P



16:22:23  <peter1138> Hi



16:22:34  <peter1138> No, it's not lunch, that was 2-3 hours ago.



16:22:54  <andythenorth> I was deleting things in my house



16:23:06  <andythenorth> I deleted the contents of a food cupboard, out of date 2014



16:23:11  <andythenorth> and I deleted some books



16:23:17  <andythenorth> quite busy :P



16:23:40  <andythenorth> forgot lunch



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16:24:05  <peter1138> Oof.



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16:38:01  <planetmaker> did he collaps due to starvation?



16:38:37  <Eddi|zuHause> quite possibly



16:39:37  <peter1138> 2014 is nothing, just starting to mature.



16:42:09  <planetmaker> I'm sure the salt became obsolete eons ago :P



16:43:54  <Eddi|zuHause> a few years ago i opened a glass of sausages that expired like in the late 90s



16:44:26  <Eddi|zuHause> they probably were fine to eat, but extremely brittle



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17:12:47  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #7791: GS method to allow company to use an engine before its intro date https://git.io/JeRHl



17:19:17  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh approved pull request #7790: Doc: CONTRIBUTING.md - add official goals section, link from other se… https://git.io/JeRHu



17:21:05  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas opened pull request #7793: Codechange: Don't use SDL_CreateRGBSurfaceWithFormat() https://git.io/JeRHz



17:22:18  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7791: GS method to allow company to use an engine before its intro date https://git.io/JeRH2



17:24:43  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh approved pull request #7699: Fix: Possible double path separator in FiosMakeFilename https://git.io/JeRHV



17:26:16  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh approved pull request #7792: Doc: add note and link that there's a better version of the informati… https://git.io/JeRH6



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17:30:08  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #7791: GS method to allow company to use an engine before its intro date https://git.io/JeRHS



17:32:54  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7791: GS method to allow company to use an engine before its intro date https://git.io/JeRH7



17:35:07  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh approved pull request #7793: Codechange: Don't use SDL_CreateRGBSurfaceWithFormat() https://git.io/JeRHb



17:36:54  <milek7> upgrade HQ to increase research point production



17:37:02  <milek7> and spend research points onto tech tree nodes? :D



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17:37:56  <nielsm> can storybook pages contain buttons or similar the user can click to send a message to the GS?



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17:38:06  <Eddi|zuHause> railway empire has a tech tree like that



17:38:14  <nielsm> so you can browse a catalogue of stuff to purchase



17:38:28  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #7791: GS method to allow company to use an engine before its intro date https://git.io/JeRQT



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17:39:53  <andythenorth> oof grinding :P



17:40:02  <andythenorth> so much grinding in WoT Blitz



17:40:08  <andythenorth> grind for days



17:40:10  <_dp_> nielsm, no, it can only link to some object



17:40:15  <_dp_> nielsm, would be nice to have though



17:40:41  <andythenorth> grind for a new train



17:40:48  <andythenorth> deliver x thousand pax



17:40:57  <andythenorth> reward: grind some more



17:41:16  <nielsm> _dp_: there isn't any way for a GS to query a user for a text input either, right?



17:41:50  <nielsm> a generic text input, a password input, and a full username/password box might be good additions too?



17:42:33  <_dp_> nielsm, yeah, think so, can only ask to chose one of 3 buttons



17:42:51  <_dp_> GS gui is severely lacking



17:42:57  <_dp_> almost non-existent



17:43:56  <_dp_> ffs, there is no good way to even show an arbitrary string :p



17:44:01  <_dp_> only what it has in lang



17:45:31  <_dp_> eg, I can only generate random password for company out of numbers coz I can't show letters xD



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17:51:00  <andythenorth> NewGS



17:51:40  <_dp_> yeah, that's next on my list xD



17:51:58  <nielsm> actually much of the trouble with making more complex GS interactions is in the network command format



17:52:15  <nielsm> since you just have two 32 bit ints and one string



17:52:43  <nielsm> a common way to pack/unpack data from the string field would be a big help



17:53:05  <_dp_> nielsm, json ;)



17:54:13  <_dp_> though idk two ints one string seem quite enough for me, at least for GS interactions



17:54:43  <_dp_> well, enough for sending data from player



17:54:56  <_dp_> for server I guess it's not xD



17:55:53  <andythenorth> MultiGS :P



17:55:55  <nielsm> protobuf?



17:56:15  <nielsm> except I'm not sure if a binary format is suited



17:56:34  <_dp_> not a fan of protobuf



17:56:38  <_dp_> but it's already binary



17:56:48  <Eddi|zuHause> surely needs more xml!!



17:57:18  * andythenorth wonders if multGS would be a shit show



17:57:21  <nielsm> yeah protobuf is weird to work with, I tried doing something with it a few times and never got off the ground



17:57:37  <nielsm> also the support library and tools seem like very large dependencies



17:58:29  <nielsm> technical issue with multiGS: when both GS send a query to a client, and the client responds, how does the server know which GS the response is for?



17:58:50  <nielsm> do they get a generated UID?



18:00:13  <_dp_> no, but it's not that hard to make one



18:00:24  <_dp_> except question command is already out of free bits xD



18:00:26  <nielsm> it would still consume some more bits



18:00:49  <nielsm> so, extend the command protocol for openttd 2.0 ?



18:01:14  <nielsm> that would be a very 2.0-ish thing to do



18:01:36  <_dp_> nielsm, well, extending would make some stuff easier for sure



18:02:13  <_dp_> nielsm, idk, depends on how you're going to extend it



18:02:37  <_dp_> nielsm, it's not that hard to add some extra wars, just a matter of remaking function signatures all over the plalce



18:02:51  <_dp_> *vars xD



18:03:51  <nielsm> could also do a ton of fancy C++11 stuff with variadic templates to build variable size command packets, maybe



18:04:47  <andythenorth> GS 2.0 :P



18:05:10  <nielsm> and move the entire game protocol to UDP to allow for easier NAT punching, might with the help of a master server make all the router port opening dances obsolete



18:05:45  <milek7> um, udp would rather make variable size packets worse



18:05:59  <milek7> MTU etc.



18:06:29  <nielsm> yes there's issues, we'd have to do one of those stream-protocol-over-udp things



18:06:44  <nielsm> QUIC or something'



18:06:47  <_dp_> also you kinda need ordering and guaranteed delivery in OpenTTD



18:08:06  <milek7> i with NAT would be dead already, with ipv6



18:08:08  <LordAro> the generally accepted wisdom today is that protobufs were a mistake that don't actually solve anything



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18:16:18  <nielsm> hm if we were to use QUIC as game protocol then Quiche seems like the most promising option right now



18:16:18  <nielsm> https://github.com/cloudflare/quiche/blob/master/include/quiche.h



18:18:10  <nielsm> not from some "random" small group of developers, not part of some other huge project, and has a C interface



18:40:53  <andythenorth> what rule did I break? :P https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/7792/checks?check_run_id=269988916



18:40:58  <_dp_> I like how all the cool new stuff is made in Rust nowadays



18:41:22  <andythenorth> b/docs/landscape_externals.html: No newline at end of file



18:41:30  <nielsm> was just about to paste it



18:41:46  <andythenorth> FFS :P



18:42:06  <nielsm> but you're fixing that



18:42:11  <nielsm> it's a bug in the checker



18:42:19  <nielsm> someone will have to override it



18:42:43  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth dismissed a review for pull request #7792: Doc: add note and link that there's a better version of the informati… https://git.io/JeRH6



18:42:43  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth updated pull request #7792: Doc: add note and link that there's a better version of the informati… https://git.io/JeRSo



18:42:44  <andythenorth> I've added a newline



18:43:17  <nielsm> it'll still fail



18:43:39  <nielsm> the issue it that it looks for magical "NO NEWLINE AT END OF FILE" or similar message in the diff output



18:43:52  <nielsm> and it's present in the "before"



18:44:31  <nielsm> if you instead avoid modifying the end of the file, so the newline is still missing, the diff contains nothing about the end of the file and so will not cause the checker to complain



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18:45:32  <andythenorth> I definitely prefer the wiki for docs



18:45:44  <andythenorth> and I *really* dislike wikis, so that's going some



18:46:47  <Eddi|zuHause> <nielsm> if you instead avoid modifying the end of the file, so the newline is still missing <-- somehow that sounds very wrong



18:47:42  <andythenorth> it's ironic how much work it takes to maintain a dead doc



18:47:52  <andythenorth> this is why projects tend to have crap docs



18:50:02  <andythenorth> fixing that is beyond me, shall I just close the PR?



18:51:18  <nielsm> okay, quiche is not in very many linux distros as a package yet, it was only added to gentoo this september, and isn't in arch, fedora, ubuntu, or debian at all



18:52:42  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth closed pull request #7792: Doc: add note and link that there's a better version of the informati… https://git.io/JeRSo



18:52:42  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #7792: Doc: add note and link that there's a better version of the informati… https://git.io/JeR77



18:55:27  <andythenorth> planetmaker: hi hi, could I have SSH on bundles AND/OR does it run a web server that can handle redirects? :)



18:56:26  <Eddi|zuHause> https://www.twitch.tv/eddijk <-- i'm going to get tired of that at some point



18:56:41  * andythenorth watches



18:56:46  <andythenorth> nice music :P



18:56:55  <andythenorth> not much happening in game though



18:57:15  <Eddi|zuHause> loading takes a few minutes



18:57:27  <andythenorth> you could livestream some....coding? :)



18:57:32  <Eddi|zuHause> and the music doesn't loop...



18:57:49  <Eddi|zuHause> so there'll be silence, and the game starts properly when the music restarts



18:58:14  <andythenorth> it's very TTD-ish music eh



18:58:59  <nielsm> it's very clearly inspired by



18:59:41  <Eddi|zuHause> the previous game had a music that was really obviously inspired by the TTD theme song



18:59:52  <andythenorth> I prefer watching live coding :P



18:59:56  <andythenorth> maybe coding should have music



19:06:25  <nielsm> very exciting loading screen



19:06:46  <andythenorth> nielsm: sorry to bug, but could you merge this? https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/7790 I have a wiki edit window open waiting to link to it :)



19:07:25  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh merged pull request #7790: Doc: CONTRIBUTING.md - add official goals section, link from other se… https://git.io/JeRRP



19:07:43  <andythenorth> ta



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19:17:09  <andythenorth> think this is ok now



19:17:10  <andythenorth> https://wiki.openttd.org/FAQ_development#I_do_not_agree_with_the_goals_of_the_official_branch.2C_what_can_I_do_instead.3F



19:17:18  <andythenorth> actually the whole page is probably fine



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19:32:07  <nielsm> so many station configurations...



19:32:24  <nielsm> hopefully the station building tool in TF2 works as well as they advertise



19:34:24  <nielsm> I'm going to play a different TF2



19:34:29  <nielsm> the one where you shoot people



19:37:19  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, station improvement i'm really looking forward to



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20:02:20  <andythenorth> ha can we teach DorpsGek_III to list the GH issue count?



20:02:21  <andythenorth> :P



20:03:43  <LordAro> no reason why not



20:03:51  <LordAro> well, we'd have to give it a concept of commands first



20:03:56  <andythenorth> oof



20:03:59  <LordAro> probably easier to give to DorpsGek



20:04:00  <andythenorth> is it supybot?



20:04:09  <LordAro> no, custom



20:04:12  <LordAro> it's in the org



20:05:10  <andythenorth> do we know current state on ICU? https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/6922



20:06:40  <LordAro> unchanged



20:06:52  <andythenorth> ta



20:07:01  <LordAro> compile without ICU works fine, just lacks RTL support



20:07:01  <andythenorth> not seeing many issues I can close yet tbh



20:07:06  <LordAro> :p



20:07:24  <LordAro> (and Mac & Windows no longer use it)



20:07:45  <andythenorth> I don't want to close samu's right now, I'm worried about him :P



20:07:48  <andythenorth> life sounds hard



20:11:02  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #7623: Support for macOS Catalina. https://git.io/fj2uh



20:11:03  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth closed issue #7623: Support for macOS Catalina. https://git.io/fj2uh



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20:15:10  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth closed issue #7599: UI zoom appearance problems relative to 1.9.1 https://git.io/fj4IV



20:15:10  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #7599: UI zoom appearance problems relative to 1.9.1 https://git.io/fj4IV



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20:25:06  <andythenorth> hmm



20:25:12  <andythenorth> very hard to close most of these issues



20:25:24  <andythenorth> on the other hand, most of them will never be addressed



20:25:46  * andythenorth plays Blitz instead for a bit



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20:53:32  <LordAro> andythenorth: never is a strong word



21:03:31  <andythenorth> the problem is always predicting the future



21:06:41  <Eddi|zuHause> always is also a strong word



21:09:23  <andythenorth> strong is a strong word



21:09:43  <andythenorth> can we predict that predicting the future will always be hard?



21:10:55  <Eddi|zuHause> there might sporadically be cases where it's easy



21:11:25  <andythenorth> not sure it's even hard



21:11:36  <andythenorth> there are oodles of future which are reasonably predictable



21:31:25  <andythenorth> how much quality do we want? o_O https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/7613



21:31:37  <andythenorth> 65500 news messages is a lot



21:31:49  <Eddi|zuHause> so... game crashed :/



21:33:01  <andythenorth> oof



21:33:52  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i'm going to restart today



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21:38:57  <andythenorth> we should have made newgrf orders :P



21:38:57  <andythenorth> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/7558



21:39:11  <andythenorth> installable predicates



21:39:44  <andythenorth> with a name string



21:39:57  <andythenorth> the timetables & conditional orders seem to produce a witches brew of ever more feature requests and bug reports



21:41:55  <Wolf01> Shay



21:46:26  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #7674: Feature Request: Programmable Waypoints https://git.io/fjSx4



21:46:26  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth closed issue #7674: Feature Request: Programmable Waypoints https://git.io/fjSx4



21:46:33  <andythenorth> really hard to close any of the current issues



21:46:44  <andythenorth> lots of reports about flawed code



21:47:58  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth closed issue #7691: Infinite money exploit in multiplayer using shares and sending money back and forth https://git.io/fj5zX



21:47:59  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #7691: Infinite money exploit in multiplayer using shares and sending money back and forth https://git.io/fj5zX



21:50:27  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #7694: Too much news spam on small economy changes https://git.io/fj5yn



21:50:27  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth closed issue #7694: Too much news spam on small economy changes https://git.io/fj5yn



21:51:11  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #7732: Shared orders allows only two vehicles https://git.io/Jeqai



21:51:12  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth closed issue #7732: Shared orders allows only two vehicles https://git.io/Jeqai



21:51:59  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #7772: Showing destination when stopped or waiting https://git.io/Je4C2



21:52:58  <andythenorth> 7777 eh



21:53:13  <andythenorth> are we really going to add a setting to set the default for a specific conditional order? https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/7777



21:55:43  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #7580: Feature Request: When loading a saved game, the file picker should remember the last used directory https://git.io/fjCgd



21:55:43  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth closed issue #7580: Feature Request: When loading a saved game, the file picker should remember the last used directory https://git.io/fjCgd



21:57:07  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #7624: Changing rolling stock reverts on next visit to depot https://git.io/fj2MW



21:57:07  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth closed issue #7624: Changing rolling stock reverts on next visit to depot https://git.io/fj2MW



22:01:28  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #7295: Proposal: quick settings overrides / filter https://git.io/fhN7M



22:01:28  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth closed issue #7295: Proposal: quick settings overrides / filter https://git.io/fhN7M



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22:03:08  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #7473: Request to make new game settings those of the last loaded game https://git.io/fjLVW



22:03:08  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth closed issue #7473: Request to make new game settings those of the last loaded game https://git.io/fjLVW



22:04:45  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #7558: Feature Request: Conditional Orders on Timetable Status https://git.io/fjZpR



22:04:45  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth closed issue #7558: Feature Request: Conditional Orders on Timetable Status https://git.io/fjZpR



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22:07:10  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #7562: Feature Request: Add drag functionality to land purchase tool https://git.io/fjnvn



22:07:10  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth closed issue #7562: Feature Request: Add drag functionality to land purchase tool https://git.io/fjnvn



22:08:48  <glx> hmm 3 days of failing nightlies



22:09:44  <glx> oh of course



22:10:58  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #7775: Omit button https://git.io/Je422



22:10:58  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth closed issue #7775: Omit button https://git.io/Je422



22:13:42  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #7777: Change default load percentage when setting conditional orders https://git.io/Je4Py



22:13:42  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth closed issue #7777: Change default load percentage when setting conditional orders https://git.io/Je4Py



22:13:58  <andythenorth> 3 more need to die, then I make payday



22:18:19  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #7774: Notify button https://git.io/Je4Wi



22:18:19  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth closed issue #7774: Notify button https://git.io/Je4Wi



22:21:01  <andythenorth> is https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/7513 duplicate of https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/6322



22:21:02  <andythenorth> ??



22:21:22  * andythenorth thinks it is



22:22:05  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #7513: Crash when AI allocates too much memory https://git.io/fjm1f



22:22:05  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth closed issue #7513: Crash when AI allocates too much memory https://git.io/fjm1f



22:22:35  <nielsm> hmm, no actually it isn't



22:23:02  <andythenorth> can they be retitled?



22:23:03  <nielsm> but both are artifacts of the squirrel VM that are difficult to work around



22:23:11  <andythenorth> in plain english, they say the same imho



22:24:00  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth reopened issue #7513: Squirrel can stack overflow when GCing deep structures, leading to crash https://git.io/fjm1f



22:24:04  <nielsm> changed the later one



22:24:06  <andythenorth> thx



22:24:40  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #7513: Squirrel can stack overflow when GCing deep structures, leading to crash https://git.io/fjm1f



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22:24:59  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6322: AI can allocate more memory than the system has, crashing the game https://git.io/JeRb5



22:25:34  <andythenorth> ok almost all open issues are code quality issues



22:25:45  <andythenorth> not feature requests



22:25:48  <andythenorth> I can't really close them



22:26:00  <andythenorth> some are crashes



22:26:08  <andythenorth> some are exploits that I don't care about at all, but apparently others do



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22:26:51  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 opened pull request #7794: Fix 3575dd551: update names for the bundles https://git.io/JeRbF



22:27:06  <andythenorth> I suspect hunting down gameplay exploits is like painting the Forth Bridge https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-14789036



22:27:18  <andythenorth> and likely fixing one just enables another one to be uncovered



22:27:24  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh approved pull request #7794: Fix 3575dd551: update names for the bundles https://git.io/JeRbb



22:28:10  <glx> real test will wait for tomorrow nightly run



22:28:22  <andythenorth> 50 PRs, 72 issues, not too crap



22:29:00  <andythenorth> this is an easy approve https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/7788



22:29:28  <andythenorth> how do we trick Eddi|zuHause into finishing this? https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/7745



22:29:35  <andythenorth> tell him it's impossible?



22:32:44  <nielsm> anyone want to review this? :D https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/7729



22:34:22  <andythenorth> I can test it :P



22:34:24  <andythenorth> but not review



22:35:07  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #7794: Fix 3575dd551: update names for the bundles https://git.io/JeRbF



22:35:37  <glx> hmm I should check the installer too



22:35:52  <andythenorth> nielsm: I was about to close this, but 2nd opinion? https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/7653/commits/775735bbf28ff3d785d05948b8476f88ad7cb729



22:35:52  <andythenorth> it's a nice feature if it works, but it's very rough edges



22:35:52  <andythenorth> and the history is a mess



22:35:52  <andythenorth> I think we'd end up regretting it



22:38:22  <nielsm> yeah it needs major rework before we can merge it



22:38:32  <nielsm> the idea is good, the execution leaves something to be desired



22:40:09  <andythenorth> I think 7729 works, but my FFWD doesn't, so it's hard to test end of vehicle life :P



22:42:19  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #7550: Add: Screenshot window (& simplify the about/help DropDown) https://git.io/JeRNn



22:43:37  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/JeRNW



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22:45:23  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth closed pull request #7051: Feature: Moveable depots #6328 https://git.io/fhnug



22:45:23  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #7051: Feature: Moveable depots #6328 https://git.io/JeRNE



22:48:31  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh requested changes for pull request #7550: Add: Screenshot window (& simplify the about/help DropDown) https://git.io/JeRN2



22:49:02  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #7582: Use shift + click to show vehicles' group. https://git.io/JeRNV



22:49:02  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth closed pull request #7582: Use shift + click to show vehicles' group. https://git.io/fjCid



22:49:23  <nielsm> "the week of august 17th to october 22nd" -LordAro



22:51:21  <andythenorth> eh this is quite cool to watch



22:51:22  <andythenorth> I think it presents a few UI problems.



22:51:25  <andythenorth> https://gfycat.com/zealoussentimentalcollardlizard



22:51:44  <andythenorth> oops bad paste, the URL, ignore the UI problems comment



22:51:52  <andythenorth> the rail planner is quite neat



22:52:16  <andythenorth> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/7607



22:53:05  <nielsm> I see it as a feature that could be potentially problematic in multiplayer games



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22:53:32  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #7607: Feature Request/WIP: Rail Planner track builder https://git.io/JeRNS



22:53:43  <andythenorth> I think it has problems



22:53:45  <nielsm> so if someone wants it (I don't really) it should probably be disable-able, or even just be blanket disabled in multiplayer



22:53:56  <andythenorth> but I think we'll inevitably end up adding one, if we live long enough



22:54:22  <andythenorth> it would be more useful if it could build double track :P



22:54:29  <nielsm> :D



22:54:45  <andythenorth> I would really like a 'build double track, with bi-directional signals' tool



22:54:52  <andythenorth> I know it's kind of cheating



22:55:13  <nielsm> infrastructure build speed cooldown, similar to landscaping cooldown? so the client has to build small bits at a time



22:55:18  <andythenorth> but I've been playing OpenTTD for about 12 years, and I've built and signalled enough tracks



22:55:48  <andythenorth> nielsm: cooldown suggestion is the kind of thing that is followed by 'but do that in GS'



22:55:55  <andythenorth> despite that GS actually can't



22:55:58  <andythenorth> :P



22:56:34  <nielsm> I should sleep, have a meeting with a user group tomorrow morning to present and discuss implementation of security protocols on a new document management system



22:57:17  <andythenorth> super!



22:57:21  <andythenorth> sounds like my life!



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23:22:12  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth opened pull request #7795: Doc: fix 3 mis-spellings of 'official' https://git.io/JeRAG



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23:38:23  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stormcone commented on pull request #7582: Use shift + click to show vehicles' group. https://git.io/JeRAw



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23:54:53  <LordAro> oh no



23:54:59  <LordAro> oh



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23:55:03  <LordAro> i was scrolled up



23:55:09  <_dp_> some smart tool for building rails is very needed imo but it should just help players build faster instead of build some crap on its own.



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23:55:23  <LordAro> failing nightlies? i feel we shouls get a notification somehow



23:56:15  <LordAro> at the very least "creating the installer" should be part of the CI



23:56:35  <LordAro> or possibly even "installing the installer"