IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2019-09-23
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00:16:41 <TrueBrain> Ha, I can use UDP proxy protocol, w00p. That kinda solves my issue, and allows me to run multiple instances in the backend :D
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04:15:10 <Eddi|zuHause> someone who randomly says "huh" in the middle of the night is a ghost?
04:37:10 <Eddi|zuHause> for all i know, you could be?
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08:33:54 <Pikka> just need to find someone to plan, draw and code it :)
08:48:37 <andythenorth> usually it turns out to be me :P
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13:40:34 <andythenorth> I tried a coffee experiment
13:41:09 <andythenorth> I have not drunk enough :P
13:42:19 <andythenorth> on balance, it's gone badly
13:43:19 <Pikka> but it's how we learn or sommat
14:45:35 <andythenorth> sacro is lost for words :P
14:50:44 <Sacro> Something like that yes
15:13:47 <peter1138> I might have a coffee.
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19:15:26 <TrueBrain> Finding ancient stuff are you? :)
19:15:44 <TrueBrain> I spotted some dust on that Avi :p
19:20:59 <frosch123> i am sure you are missing the old homepage
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22:02:35 <firewire1394> FLHerne: need to wait till i get 1.9.3 on archlinux
22:07:35 <TrueBrain> meh; proxying UDP is annoying as ... well, especially with the OpenTTD UDP protocol ... sometimes it replies 1 message, sometimes 2, and sometimes none ... and a proxy wants to know what it can expect :P
22:08:17 <glx> and UDP has no guarantee on delivery either
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22:10:03 <TrueBrain> this is rather annoying :D
22:10:13 <TrueBrain> glx: well, that funny enough is not really an issue on modern internet
22:10:17 <TrueBrain> but yeah, it can happen
22:11:42 <glx> basically the proxy should not expect anything
22:11:51 <TrueBrain> those don't exist, sadly
22:11:58 <TrueBrain> well, only nginx really does UDP proxying
22:14:19 <TrueBrain> and I don't want to build something myself, as the whole point is using off-the-shelve stuff so things are less dependent on me :P
22:20:27 <glx> yeah the goal is to simplify maintenance
22:28:30 <andythenorth> in a python global_constants.py
22:29:03 <TrueBrain> I spotted an anti-pattern :D
22:29:06 <andythenorth> is it wrong to write actual algorithmic code (not just assignments)
22:29:17 <TrueBrain> 1) the name is wrong
22:29:34 <TrueBrain> changing the name could change that answer :D
22:29:55 <TrueBrain> "global" constants should not really have a meaning in the world of Python :)
22:29:59 <TrueBrain> you either import the module, or you don't
22:30:14 <TrueBrain> you refer to it by module .. so "global" is weird :P
22:30:18 <andythenorth> it's cargo culted
22:30:22 <andythenorth> oh it's called constants.py
22:30:30 <TrueBrain> so make algorithm.py
22:30:31 <andythenorth> but that's bikeshedding :P
22:30:38 <TrueBrain> it needs to be golden!
22:30:51 <TrueBrain> (like asking where to place code is not bikeshedding :D)
22:31:02 <andythenorth> as long as I know it's wrong before I do it anyway
22:31:06 <TrueBrain> I always start with putting everything in a single file, and move things out from there after :P
22:31:17 <andythenorth> being definitely wrong reduces anxiety
22:31:25 <TrueBrain> I now have a master implementation of 100 lines of Python ... and 400 lines to make sure it can run :P
22:31:34 <TrueBrain> s/master/master server/
22:32:09 <TrueBrain> 47 lines of code, 60 lines of comments ...
22:32:22 <TrueBrain> I think our protocol needs too much explaining :D
22:34:16 <FLHerne> (I ran into the same problem yesterday...)
22:34:29 <firewire1394> FLHerne: i'm scared and kinda lazy to compile myself :D
22:34:41 <firewire1394> i guess it just takes some more days hmm
22:34:52 <glx> it's really easy to compile
22:34:54 <FLHerne> firewire1394: That's a compiled pkg
22:35:04 <firewire1394> FLHerne: for archlinux?
22:35:15 <firewire1394> you're an arch user as well? :)
22:35:38 <TrueBrain> we should frame this. The two arch users found each other on #openttd
22:35:40 <TrueBrain> this is world news :)
22:35:53 <firewire1394> FLHerne: nice! :)
22:35:55 <FLHerne> TrueBrain: It's, like, the third-most-popular distro or something?
22:36:09 <TrueBrain> I was just mocking you :)
22:36:16 <TrueBrain> it was such an easy score :P
22:36:52 <firewire1394> FLHerne: do you use i3wm?
22:37:13 <FLHerne> No, dwm, I found i3 annoyingly opinionated
22:37:29 <LordAro> well aren't you both complete stereotypes?
22:37:32 <FLHerne> (and xmonad annoyingly haskelly)
22:37:37 * LordAro says, as an Arch & i3 user
22:39:22 <firewire1394> FLHerne: i tried to get into dwm, but it feels weird as i already got used to i3wm, though most of the features no one really needs
22:42:49 <FLHerne> There's definitely a diminishing-returns point
22:43:30 <FLHerne> If you're happy with something and know how to use it, scrapping it to use the latest supposedly-slightly-better alternative is silly
22:43:52 <FLHerne> (an idea that I think the frontend JS industry has yet to learn...)
22:45:04 <nnyby> yes. xmonad is basically unchanged in 10 years. there's nothing else to be done: it's perfect :P
22:45:25 <firewire1394> FLHerne: i wish js people would think the same
22:47:13 <FLHerne> Of course, this is the channel for a 20-odd-year-old game, so it would be odd if we weren't likeminded
22:47:45 <FLHerne> (and for a FOSS project, so it would be odd if half of us weren't using tiling WMs on Arch)
22:53:42 <Samu> no, it's just underperforming
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