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06:00:05  <supermop_Home_> hallo

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07:44:06  <andythenorth> o/

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10:48:06  <andythenorth> pie

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11:07:10  <Pikka> oh

11:13:07  <andythenorth> not pie?

11:15:16  <Pikka> well, more likely pasta or something

11:16:11  <andythenorth> all well?

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11:17:45  <Pikka> in many ways, no. but pasta will help some of them.

11:17:49  * Pikka brb dindins

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12:13:50  <Pikka> oof

12:23:41  <andythenorth> o_O

12:30:41  <Eddi|zuHause> ok. i might be going properly insane now https://ibin.co/4vljD85ftLsi.png

12:32:44  <andythenorth> is that a pig farm?

12:32:48  <frosch123> i assume incomplete bridges are for the realism aspect

12:32:58  <Eddi|zuHause> no, that is iron ore :)

12:33:56  <frosch123> the plane icon in the toolbar looks disturbing

12:34:45  <Eddi|zuHause> because it's greyed out, or because your brain tricks you into seeing faces everywhere?

12:35:23  <frosch123> i want to say "yes", but it's only "latter"

12:37:22  <Pikka> Eddi|zuHause, pig iron?

12:55:27  * andythenorth watching deadliest catch

12:56:12  <Eddi|zuHause> i should probably get something to eat

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13:22:59  <Pikka> double oof

13:23:19  <Pikka> I had a bit of a fall climbing this afternoon, and I'm not sure I haven't sprained my ankle and/or knee...

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13:26:56  <andythenorth> ouch

13:27:12  <andythenorth> I ignored an ankle injury 20 years ago

13:27:36  <andythenorth> and now the right side of my body is distorted and I have constant minor back pain

13:27:43  <andythenorth> just saying

13:28:24  <Pikka> thanks

13:29:49  <Eddi|zuHause> thanks, i'll get my 20 year old injuries checked out then

13:33:45  <andythenorth> I have been :P

13:35:36  <Wolf01> Same here

13:36:52  * andythenorth "mistakes were made"

13:37:09  <TrueBrain> we don't think any less of you because of it andythenorth, don't worry :)

13:37:49  <Eddi|zuHause> (i'm not quite sure if it's possible for TrueBrain to think less of anyone)

13:38:01  * andythenorth wonders about the inside of TrueBrain's brain

13:38:17  <TrueBrain> do you really andythenorth? do you? really?

13:40:58  <andythenorth> well very briefly

13:41:03  <TrueBrain> :D

13:41:06  <andythenorth> before I remembered not to

13:42:11  <andythenorth> bacon ciabbata is correct, yes/no?

13:42:17  * andythenorth lunch

13:43:58  <peter1138> Yes

13:44:17  <andythenorth> it has tomato

13:44:19  <andythenorth> and butter

13:44:31  <Eddi|zuHause> is there ever a question containing the word "bacon" that is "no"?

13:44:37  <peter1138> That's basically salad...

13:50:48  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause bacon and custard

13:50:52  <andythenorth> invalid

13:51:32  <Pikka> although the japanese...

13:52:43  <andythenorth> oh bacon and custard is valid apparently

13:52:46  * andythenorth checked

13:53:28  <Pikka> bacon and transmission fluid

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14:11:37  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: see what i mean? :p

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14:56:41  <Eddi|zuHause> man that took friggin forever https://ibin.co/4vmRMeobwO2x.png

14:58:56  <andythenorth> automate!

14:59:39  <Eddi|zuHause> well, i could just have used one of the builtin bridges, but they don't really look good over such large heights

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15:38:49  <andythenorth> well

15:39:10  <andythenorth> IRL there are bulk containers for coal, ore etc

15:39:29  <andythenorth> I was going to them covered, because IRL most are for cargo protection, dust suppression etc

15:39:38  <andythenorth> but I could show the cargo, it's trivial :P

15:40:36  <andythenorth> covered https://docplayer.net/docs-images/66/54579666/images/25-2.jpg

15:41:55  <andythenorth> open https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/360/0615/29/3x-kit-built-russell-coal-container_360_c82077e0caf8e0d2df686f7f38f3321d.jpg

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15:49:02  <supermop_Home_> hello

15:57:32  <Eddi|zuHause> at least now we actually got someone using it... https://ibin.co/4vmjbp6cxSaj.png

16:00:13  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern opened pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesfO

16:09:12  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern updated pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesfO

16:14:07  <supermop_Home_> nice viaduct eddi

16:14:54  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, this was the complete view https://ibin.co/4vmRMeobwO2x.png

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16:36:48  <peter1138> Said someone who's never used a soldering iron or a toaster.

16:47:34  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/Jesfp

16:51:10  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern updated pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesfO

16:51:16  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern commented on pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesJf

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18:11:31  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesUc

18:23:35  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesUu

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19:30:00  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesTK

19:30:56  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesT6

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19:52:31  <andythenorth> goes it throw out tank games?

19:52:57  <Eddi|zuHause> sure

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19:53:07  <Eddi|zuHause> just find another game to obsess about

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19:53:41  <andythenorth> my win rate has plateaued

19:57:21  <andythenorth> I am above average, but not interestingly

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19:57:30  <andythenorth> not getting better either

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21:05:56  <andythenorth> can python import from a parent directory?

21:07:05  <frosch123> invoke it from the parent directory?

21:07:29  <frosch123> no idea whether ".." is allowed, but it always has issues with symbolic links

21:07:42  * andythenorth learning about sys.path

21:08:51  <andythenorth> I need to import ./src/constants to this file https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/polar-fox/repository/entry/bin/render_cargo_graphics.py

21:08:55  <andythenorth> the advice so far is

21:08:58  <andythenorth> (1) don't do that

21:09:07  <andythenorth> (2) don't write things that need to do that

21:09:29  <frosch123> put a "main" script into the main folder

21:09:44  <andythenorth> that seems like a hack :)

21:09:48  <frosch123> then import "bin" and import "src"

21:09:53  <andythenorth> I'm only using /bin at all so it looks 'proper'

21:10:04  <andythenorth> there's no actual reason for it not being all in src

21:10:39  <frosch123> add another subfolder to "src" then

21:10:46  <andythenorth> ha ha it even has 2 copies of pixa currently due to this

21:10:48  <frosch123> and make "src" your main path

21:10:52  <andythenorth> thanks

21:11:07  <frosch123> don't call it src/bin though :p

21:11:44  <andythenorth> that would be weird :)

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21:12:16  <frosch123> oh, i recently read about /bin, /usr and /home

21:12:43  <frosch123> just as silly is \ in dos

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21:13:30  <andythenorth> what was the story?

21:13:57  <frosch123> unix started with a proper separation of operating system and user data in /bin and /usr

21:14:05  <frosch123> and put them on two disks

21:14:28  <frosch123> but at some point /bin was full, so they continued with /usr/bin

21:14:35  <glx> lol

21:14:37  <frosch123> later /home was added to separate user data

21:15:09  <andythenorth> oof :)

21:15:14  <andythenorth> sounds all too familiar

21:15:25  <andythenorth> 'mistakes were made'

21:15:35  <frosch123> similar as with \ in dos. while unix already had / for folders, ms said personal computers don't need that

21:15:46  <frosch123> they added / to separate commands from parameters

21:15:55  <frosch123> and then added directories in the next version

21:16:49  <andythenorth> 40 years later, we all repeat similar mistakes :P

21:16:50  <glx> yeah who needs folders anyway ;)

21:17:06  <andythenorth> I am stuck with a users and groups implementation that lacks groups

21:17:12  <andythenorth> in a product

21:17:24  <andythenorth> who needs groups?

21:17:26  <andythenorth> :P

21:17:41  <andythenorth> but we will rebuild him

21:23:06  <milek7> it seems that originally DOS used /

21:23:52  <milek7> from MS-DOS 2.0 README: "The user manual contains some significant errors.  Most of these are due to last minute changes to achieve a greater degree of compatibility with IBM's implementation of MS-DOS (PC DOS).  This includes the use of "\" instead of "/" as the path separator, and "/" instead of "-" as the switch character."

21:24:11  <frosch123> msdos used "/" to separate commands from arguments *without* space

21:24:33  <frosch123> so you wrote "DIR/P" instead of the more modern form "dir /p"

21:24:55  <nielsm> that still works in cmd.exe in windows 10 :)

21:25:47  <nielsm> but early msdos also had a config.sys option to change the command flag character away from /

21:26:01  <frosch123> afaik ibm dos is a licensed version of ms dos

21:26:06  <nielsm> it is

21:26:24  <andythenorth> oof, maybe I CAN AUTOMATE STUFF :)

21:27:03  <nielsm> microsoft bought the system from seattle computer products (I think it was called), then resold it to ibm

21:27:50  <nielsm> and a bunch of oddities in msdos trace to it wanting to be cp/m compatible

21:27:56  <frosch123> hmm, i though msdos is gates idea of immitating wang

21:28:08  <nielsm> (or at least to make porting software from cp/m to dos simpler)

21:28:27  <glx> cp/m was fun

21:28:59  <milek7> https://www.filfre.net/2012/05/the-ibm-pc-part-2/

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21:34:28  <andythenorth> that's my evening gone :)

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22:24:39  <LordAro> andythenorth: you can do import ..src.constants, but yeah, don't

22:25:37  <andythenorth> nah I restructured

22:25:53  <LordAro>  good :)

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23:19:26  <supermop_Home_> oops

23:19:51  <supermop_Home_> I accidentally built blaze ends with helm wind cars

23:20:49  <andythenorth> did it work? :)

23:21:47  <supermop_Home_> yep

23:22:01  <andythenorth> might be...underpowered

23:22:01  <supermop_Home_> it only goes 201kmh tho

23:22:19  <supermop_Home_> and makes diesel smoke

23:22:33  <supermop_Home_> which is what clued me in to the problem

23:22:35  <andythenorth> that's unexpected

23:22:47  <supermop_Home_> lots of power tho

23:25:34  * andythenorth going big on container wagons :P

23:25:43  <andythenorth> 2.1 in progress

23:26:53  <supermop_Home_> hmm the reverse is disappointing

23:27:28  <supermop_Home_> helm wind padded out with some hst cars for economy still limited to 201kmh

23:27:54  <andythenorth> and 1700hp

23:28:42  <supermop_Home_> I had two sets of helm wind cars and 4 hst cars

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