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02:29:06 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/JeJXO
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03:43:49 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Eddi-z commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/JeJdT
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08:34:34 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/JeJbS
09:25:55 <andythenorth> this is just unloading and reloading at the second station
09:26:22 <andythenorth> getting transfer leg profit?
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10:28:54 <Samu> oh no, an anti rondje patch
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10:44:55 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/JeTvv
11:18:38 <Samu> looking for AIs that (are forced to ) transport PASS and MAIL with road vehicles
11:33:27 <crem2> How I play openttd+FIRS: 1. Start it. 2. Play for 15 minutes. 3. Feel overwhelmed. 4. Stop it. 5. Wait half a year. 6. GOTO 1.
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14:28:25 <Eddi|zuHause> what am i going to do with a wet cat?
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14:48:56 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/JeLZf
14:53:11 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: put it on top of the hot tub to dry out
14:53:59 <andythenorth> NewStationRating
14:54:12 <andythenorth> eh, fix it in newgrf
15:37:28 <Samu> testing3x my AI: PASS & MAIL vs PASS vs MAIL
15:40:49 <_dp_> andythenorth, newgrfs are ever bigger problem :p
15:41:12 <andythenorth> _dp_: you are a bad person :P
15:45:15 <Samu> I expect PASS & MAIL to be the best
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16:02:41 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas updated pull request #7086: Change #6173: Update SDL driver to use SDL 2.0 https://git.io/fhamZ
16:20:27 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/JetGO
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17:02:40 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/JetDf
17:24:09 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/Jeqek
17:29:51 <peter1139> Yet another hidden super advanced setting? :p
17:30:36 <nielsm> I'm perfectly fine with not changing the station rating calculation
17:30:57 <nielsm> there should just not be an easy way to configure vehicles to constantly autorenew to the same model then
17:31:47 <peter1139> Or that should cost more.
17:32:10 <nielsm> what is even depreciation on vehicle value?
17:32:12 <peter1139> Realistic Value Depreciation!
17:32:24 <peter1139> Dunno, but it's quite tame.
17:33:07 <nielsm> basically value drops by 50% when it leaves depot first time and then it follows a curve down to 1% of purchase price over the lifetime
17:33:30 <nielsm> (as long as it hasn't left depot you can sell it for full refund, as an undo button)
17:35:45 <_dp_> nielsm, I'm not sure that even with an easy way to autorenew it will be worth doing
17:36:01 <_dp_> mb for a very specific situations like that cb game
17:37:20 <_dp_> where you have limited amount of vehicles so that bit of extra cargo at a right time is worth the lost growth while upgrading
17:39:47 <_dp_> btw, selling vehicles is actually a big problem for goal games
17:41:23 <_dp_> 1. selling vehicles at destination
17:41:37 <_dp_> worst but at least can be blocked by server
17:41:45 <_dp_> 2. selling everything to reach the goal faster
17:42:25 <nielsm> what kind of goal here?
17:44:20 <nielsm> goals for reaching a certain bank balance could be supplied with a goal of having a certain profit, and maintaining that profit for a while after reaching the cash goal
17:45:40 <_dp_> nielsm, why have balance goal in a first place then?
17:46:09 <nielsm> e.g. keep monthly profits for 6 months and require the player doesn't drop below 90% of that average in the next 6 months
17:46:18 <_dp_> also profit is also not a good goal for a number of reasons
17:47:05 <nielsm> (in this idea the profit goal is not fixed but just a verification requirement determined dynamically)
17:49:37 <nielsm> also "preloading" shouldn't be classifiable as an exploit or unusual, as stations receiving all cargos right away was the original behaviour
17:50:46 <_dp_> nielsm, I don't care about classification, it's just a thing you have to do for a best score and I don't like it
17:51:08 <_dp_> it's also allowed on all servers I know of
17:51:55 <nielsm> imo it should be made a feature, just a button you click on a station "begin transporting this cargo"
17:52:16 <_dp_> nielsm, yeah, that would be nice
17:53:04 <_dp_> but than, easier griefing...
17:53:13 <nielsm> maybe a tri-state, starts out "undetermined", where sending a vehicle to load the cargo will then toggle it to "enabled", but you can also manually toggle it to "enabled" or "do not transport"
17:54:45 <_dp_> nielsm, yeah, would also solve "how to stop accepting" problem
18:09:10 <andythenorth> we should get better exploits
18:09:16 <andythenorth> like short selling of stock
18:09:19 <andythenorth> buying on margin
18:09:23 <andythenorth> pumping and dumping
18:12:45 <_dp_> andythenorth, there are better exploits
18:13:01 <_dp_> andythenorth, like soft-blocking an industry by building two stations :p
18:13:18 <andythenorth> does that mean no cargo gets distributed to 3rd or something?
18:18:19 <_dp_> autoclean is also a fun thing to exploit
18:18:41 <_dp_> as there is no way to autoclean protected company without leaving it unprotected for at least a month
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18:21:58 <milek7> exploiting autoclean? what does it exploit?
18:24:45 <_dp_> milek7, you can catch yourself a nice rich company if you're lucky/patient
18:25:50 <milek7> eh, disable autoclean? ;d
18:26:57 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7540: Change: New layout for the Station view window https://git.io/Jeq2P
18:27:29 <nielsm> milek7 I think the purpose might be if you want to drop out of the game?
18:27:57 <nielsm> you can't have the server delete your company without leaving it unprotected for a while, and someone else might claim it in that time
18:28:29 <milek7> yes, but why delete companies? does unoccupied companies hurt?
18:28:51 <_dp_> milek7, because servers quickly become full with unused companies
18:31:32 <milek7> *there's patch for that
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18:36:54 <nielsm> I'm sure you could work around it
18:37:44 <nielsm> like the GS catching a company name change to "deleteme", popping up a confirmation box to the player, and on confirmation it sends something to the adminport where something then sends an rcon command back to delete the company
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18:41:41 <_dp_> nielsm, I just reimplemented the whole autoclean logic :p
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18:44:06 <_dp_> to only clean companies when server is near full or wants to restart
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19:47:22 <andythenorth> nielsm: if it's any help, I have no problems with station window :)
19:52:35 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] kiwitreekor updated pull request #7575: Feature: Add industry production graph https://git.io/fjc3i
19:56:30 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] kiwitreekor updated pull request #7575: Feature: Add industry production graph https://git.io/fjc3i
19:58:36 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] kiwitreekor updated pull request #7575: Feature: Add industry production graph https://git.io/fjc3i
20:04:40 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh updated pull request #7353: Feature: Measure vehicle capacity utilisation efficiency https://git.io/fhho4
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