IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2019-08-21
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12:02:17 <LordAro> "Russians are?" according to google translate
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14:28:42 <LordAro> Xaroth: i assumed as such
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16:58:18 <Samu> my customized pathfinder is utterly slow, just tried this on official 1.9.2 with default 10000 ops/medium speed
16:59:17 <Samu> 1 and half year to pathfind a route of 90 manhathan
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18:40:51 <adikt> prob stupid question... not a big deal either but i'm going to ask anyway.... where is the openmsx file supposed to be installed for the playback? i'm running 1.7.1 on linux mint 19.2 using the sudo apt install openttd ... i realize i can just install the newer version, however was having same issue with music... when i install it in game and go to sounds to skip the track it scrolls through all the track names but doesn't play any
18:41:22 <adikt> not really sure what the issue is, and it's not THAT BIG of a deal as everythign else works... but the soundtrack to the game is a bitchin tune i remember from childhood and would like to get it working
18:46:47 <nielsm> if you install openmsx via the in-game downloader it should unpack the right place, probably under ~/.openttd/content_download/baseset/
18:47:34 <nielsm> but also keep in mind that openmsx is not much like simon foster's original soundtrack from transport tycoon (deluxe)
18:48:52 <adikt> i tried installing it via sudo apt install openttd-openmsx when the ingame downloader failed
18:49:04 <nielsm> I'm getting old... simon foster drew the art, john broomhall composed the music
18:49:12 <milek7> do you have timidity installed?
18:49:17 <adikt> neither solution works.. have the same issue on another computer running ubuntu
18:49:31 <nielsm> yes, you need timidity (the executable) installed for music playback to work
18:49:39 <nielsm> it's a software midi synthesizer
18:50:40 <adikt> nope... weird... gonna see if it actually installed to the right place
18:50:50 <adikt> it's something along the line of i dont have a codec or something
18:50:55 <nielsm> worth mentioning that in 1.9 we added a more reliable music playback for linux builds, based on linking fluidsynth directly
18:51:40 <nielsm> but I'm surprised the content downloader is failing for you
18:51:47 <adikt> i'm a novice linux user who needs to go youtube how the filesystem works
18:52:04 <adikt> scared to compile my own stuff lol
18:52:20 <adikt> yeah the sound effects work just not the music
18:54:34 <nielsm> music and sound effects are entirely separate :)
18:54:50 <nielsm> the sound effects are sampled audio, the music is midi data
18:55:26 <adikt> that's why i asked the path of the file.. i'm trying the ingame downloader in 1.9 right now
18:56:01 <milek7> does running 'timidity' in terminal prints info?
18:56:16 <adikt> yeah.. same problem.. when i go into the jazz jukebox it just scrolls all the tracks in the file
18:56:44 <nielsm> okay so it does find the music
18:56:56 <nielsm> then it exists with the correct filenames
18:57:04 <nielsm> the problem is with timidity
18:57:26 <adikt> TiMidity++ version 2.13.2 -- MIDI to WAVE converter and player
18:57:39 <adikt> plus a page of other stuff
18:57:55 <nielsm> can you try running openttd from a console with driver debug enabled?
18:58:21 <nielsm> it should show which music driver it selects and what it does
18:59:09 <adikt> dbg: [driver] extmidi: set volume not implemented
18:59:17 <adikt> everything else successful
18:59:30 <milek7> some soundfont installed is required too
18:59:33 <adikt> dbg: [driver] extmidi: set volume not implemented
18:59:46 <adikt> dbg: [driver] Successfully probed video driver 'sdl'
18:59:46 <adikt> dbg: [driver] Successfully probed sound driver 'sdl'
18:59:46 <adikt> dbg: [driver] Successfully probed music driver 'extmidi'
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19:01:41 <adikt> you lead me to the solution i think... thank you!
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19:12:13 <nielsm> midi was more foolproof when all you had to do was plug the MPU-401 card into an ISA slot, hook up the synthesizer, and software could write to port 330 and it just worked
19:13:51 <nielsm> (I never had an MPU-401, and only got a roland GM module recently)
19:14:39 <nielsm> also who let them turn the outside heating back on, I didn't ask for a second summer
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21:13:15 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... it was fine until i hit 70k inhabitants, now i'm facing complete gridlock all of a sudden :/
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22:23:35 <Samu> heh, my pathfinder got stuck in a road depot
22:33:35 <Samu> it just timed out on the retry
22:39:23 <Samu> these desert towns are really hard
22:39:34 <Samu> most populous town only 734
23:33:25 <Samu> experimenting a less all or nothing approach when selectively removing negative profit vehicles
23:34:05 <Samu> this may be a bad idea, but just wanted to experiment
23:35:03 <Samu> now it removes 1 by 1, with an interval of 30 days between each removal
23:35:49 <nielsm> okay now I have a new music-related project, I need to get the MT-32/LAPC-1 music from TTO working somehow
23:37:05 <nielsm> for reasons I haven't figured out yet, it doesn't work in dosbox, it just doesn't output any midi data at all to the (emulated) mpu-401 so nothing ever gets played
23:37:51 <nielsm> but it has a unique set of music files and it even has a patchset file, so it's definitely a separate arrangement of the music
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23:57:41 <Samu> I just had an awesome weird idea
23:58:28 <Samu> have the pathfinder prioritize loading bays stations when the vehicle is wanting to full load from it
23:58:52 <Samu> if there's drivethrough and loading bays as part of the same station
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