IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2019-05-21
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00:00:49 <andythenorth> not going in that rabbit hole now :P
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00:09:33 <Supercheese> Eddi|zuHause : Civ4 definitely had Global Warming
00:10:11 <Supercheese> I remember it biting me in the rear on occasion, flooding farmland tiles with rising sea levels
00:10:55 <Supercheese> I think that was the only effect, changing land tiles to sea tiles, but that could be very problematic especially if the land tile had a valuable resource that would be lost
00:11:10 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i'm just too good at getting renewable energy and banning nukes
00:11:16 <Eddi|zuHause> before it ever became a problem
00:11:44 <Supercheese> but nukes are renewable energy! :P
00:11:58 <Supercheese> too much meltdown risk in-game though
00:12:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i was never much of a nuclear power person
00:12:41 <Supercheese> Hydro was superior, especially the Three Gorges Dam wonder
00:12:52 <Supercheese> knock that guy out and power for everything always
00:16:19 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i should try civ 4 again...
00:16:29 <Eddi|zuHause> probably get wiped out early
00:57:44 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #6032: Crash while loading savegame from 0.6 in 1.4 https://git.io/fj4q8
01:08:51 <Eddi|zuHause> ... got overrun by barbarians...
01:46:50 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #5305: Savegame not working for me on two computers - but works for others https://git.io/fj4mq
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04:39:50 <Corns[m]> Is there a function to check whether a bridge head will be flat or sloped? Given a tileindex and direction
04:58:57 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds like code that should exist, whether it's a separate function i don't know
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12:15:55 <andythenorth> planetmaker: so Azure Pipelines has release & deploy tools
12:16:11 <andythenorth> I can sftp to a location, and there appears to be a way to store creds
12:16:19 <andythenorth> or I can ssh something (but sftp seems safer)
12:16:29 * andythenorth might make a diagram :P
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15:08:14 <Eddi|zuHause> should i give civ4 another try? maybe i should tick off this button for extreme barbarians, but that just means i'll get overrun by the first AI to declare war
15:09:34 <peter1138> Maybe I should play Civ 5 some day.
15:09:38 <Eddi|zuHause> also what i always found wrong about civ4's longer game options is that it makes it hard to react by building more units, because they take longer to build in relation to how far the opponents can travel
15:10:02 <peter1138> I guess you need to preemptively build them?
15:10:22 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i'm traditionally poor at that part :p
15:13:37 <LordAro> i never played much civ4
15:13:58 <peter1138> From where I heard, 4 was pretty poor.
15:14:09 <peter1138> I played mostly the first one, and a bit of 2.
15:14:13 <peter1138> Not much of 3 or 5.
15:16:22 * andythenorth never played Civ
15:16:29 * andythenorth hoping for Warcraft 1 revival
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15:39:51 <supermop_work> andythenorth: nrt hog?
15:43:12 <andythenorth> I want to finish a Horse 2.0.0 beta
15:44:03 <andythenorth> I have 17 steam engines to draw, then I can ship 2.0.0 beta
15:44:17 <andythenorth> I have drawn 292 trains already, so 17 should be nothing :P
16:10:32 <supermop_work> how many times are you planning on re-drawing each of those?
16:12:31 <andythenorth> the steam trains?
16:12:39 <andythenorth> probably draw them twice
16:12:53 <andythenorth> and then once again after I've learnt to draw trains
16:28:03 <peter1138> Should I buy some Lego games? (Humble Bundle)
16:34:27 <andythenorth> do you like Lego, and games? o_O
16:53:30 <supermop_work> has anyone used mop RVs lately?
16:53:54 <supermop_work> what do they need? other than fewer RVs?
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17:04:02 <Artea> andythenorth hoping for Warcraft 1 revival
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17:18:55 <peter1138> They're not exactly revivals though.
17:23:28 <andythenorth> I wanted the original 'my liege' WC 1
17:24:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i had WC1, but never played it
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18:19:37 <Samu> I'm just at half of the tournament
19:03:46 <Wolf01> Hmmm I'm not yet used to the fact that now irc connect superfast instead of 20 seconds of the provider's modem
19:35:17 <Arveen> maybe someone can set up an BBS for you with this channel
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19:39:13 <andythenorth> I could have a newgrf pipeline create an sftp instance on Azure, use that to move the artifacts to permanent Azure storage
19:39:39 <andythenorth> I wonder if AP can publish directly to Azure storage though?
19:41:45 <andythenorth> has anyone besides Truebrain used Azure?
19:57:37 * andythenorth tries to understand Azure, but it's fairly overwhelming
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20:18:18 <andythenorth> has anyone got an sftp server they'd be prepared to give me an account on?
20:18:24 <andythenorth> for testing Azure deploys
20:18:37 <andythenorth> I can apparently buy one on Azure but NFI which button I click to do that
20:26:33 <Eddi|zuHause> you could just run one on your local machine?
20:27:14 <Eddi|zuHause> (assuming proper port forwarding)
20:27:16 <andythenorth> I could run one on my wife's laptop :P
20:40:45 <andythenorth> it's amusing that cloud has come so far
20:41:00 <andythenorth> that it's now easier to host newgrfs on my laptop, over my broadband connection
20:41:06 <andythenorth> 20 years, full circle
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21:06:15 <glx> andythenorth: you don't have an sftp on openttdcoop ?
21:06:31 <andythenorth> I never asked for one
21:06:49 <andythenorth> I deliberately don't have ssh
21:22:46 <andythenorth> planetmaker: can I have sftp on openttdcoop? :)
21:25:41 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: isn't that exactly what he offered last time he said something?
21:29:54 <andythenorth> ssh and sftp are still different, right?
21:31:43 <andythenorth> so how is sftp secured?
21:32:06 <Eddi|zuHause> it's basically just an ssh connection, focused on file transfer instead of remote control
21:32:52 <LordAro> it just invokes a different "shell" on the other end, basically
21:33:08 <LordAro> are you confusing ftps & sftp ?
21:33:13 <andythenorth> I'm curious how it works
21:33:18 <andythenorth> I read about it before asking
21:33:39 <LordAro> ftps is ftp + ssl, sftp is ssh + ftp
21:33:39 <andythenorth> I have had sftp to remote boxes without knowing I had shell access
21:33:51 <andythenorth> why have sftp at all?
21:33:52 <LordAro> it's quite likely you didn't, you can restrict it
21:33:57 <andythenorth> why not just scp?
21:34:48 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: it's the same login process, but can be subject to different server rights
21:34:50 <andythenorth> so if I give azure coop ssh creds, we have a new vuln?
21:35:19 <glx> usually you only use a key
21:35:22 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: if you put anything in "the cloud", you have a giant vuln
21:35:41 <andythenorth> there are degrees of risk
21:35:49 <andythenorth> it's not practical to say all cloud = game over
21:35:55 <andythenorth> we save that for Intel CPUs
21:35:57 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: theoretically you'd create a new user on the server, that only has very limited rights
21:36:00 <glx> and you can restrict access to the user of this key
21:36:27 <andythenorth> right, so AIUI, I can sftp for upload / download
21:36:35 <andythenorth> but I wouldn't be able to get a shell on the machine?
21:36:36 <Eddi|zuHause> that user's key will be uploaded to "the cloud", and used for nothing else
21:36:52 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: if set up properly
21:37:02 <andythenorth> so sftp doesn't give me a shell
21:37:53 <andythenorth> if coop is set up properly
21:37:56 <andythenorth> so do I want ssh or sftp?
21:38:29 <glx> you don't want ssh if you don't trust the user :)
21:38:53 <andythenorth> we don't trust the users, neither me, nor azure
21:38:59 <andythenorth> nor people who might push PRs
21:40:06 <andythenorth> hmm I could sftp to S3
21:40:36 <Eddi|zuHause> you can sftp to a graphics card manufacturer from 20 years ago?
21:41:08 <andythenorth> I'm worried about bill shock :P
21:41:48 <andythenorth> if I give Azure S3 creds on my account
21:42:44 <andythenorth> I pay the S3 bill if anyone manages to access the creds
21:42:54 <andythenorth> 'cloud is awful'
22:17:12 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #6322: AI can allocate more memory than the system has, crashing the game https://git.io/fj4aO
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22:31:51 <Samu> EmotionAI beats SimpleAI
22:34:11 <andythenorth> it's really horrible, a lot of clicking buttons in bad UIs
22:34:51 <andythenorth> what's worse, running a server, or clicking endless buttons?
22:35:04 <andythenorth> the buttons are confusing, and everything has a security implication
22:40:51 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #6322: AI can allocate more memory than the system has, crashing the game https://git.io/fj4a6
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22:46:25 <andythenorth> "You have provided public access to this bucket. We highly recommend that you never grant any kind of public access to your S3 bucket."
22:46:48 <andythenorth> I love this shit :(
22:47:57 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #7599: UI zoom appearance problems relative to 1.9.1 https://git.io/fj4ab
22:57:52 <andythenorth> ha ha web publishing :D
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22:58:06 <andythenorth> it was making me so sad not being able to do that
22:58:14 <andythenorth> "get a grip andythenorth" :P
23:01:14 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #6322: AI can allocate more memory than the system has, crashing the game https://git.io/fj4VL
23:15:23 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #6322: AI can allocate more memory than the system has, crashing the game https://git.io/fj4VB
23:22:09 <Hazzard> Is there a way to connect to an openttd server as a client but headless?
23:22:18 <Hazzard> for doing integration testing of soap/suds
23:26:41 <andythenorth> "This policy contains invalid Json"
23:26:52 <andythenorth> yeah, I copied it from AWS docs
23:26:56 <andythenorth> AWS is made of lulz
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