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10:05:37 <andythenorth> oof it's TrueBrain
10:19:22 <TrueBrain> well, that is not nice :'(
10:19:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i was considering a "/part quick enough?"
10:20:08 <TrueBrain> but was too much effort :P
10:20:12 <Eddi|zuHause> but then i remembered i was lazy :p
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10:33:52 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #6980: GDI engine for font glyph rendering as a replacement for FreeType https://git.io/fpoEo
10:39:31 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh approved pull request #6979: Fix: [Win32] Align sprite glyphs to the font baseline when using Uniscribe text layout https://git.io/fpoE1
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10:51:32 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh dismissed a review for pull request #6973: Add: Unique ID to savegames to prevent accidental overwriting https://git.io/fpE8P
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11:24:18 <TrueBrain> hmmm .. LordAro kept saying he wanted to give feedback on my hackmd document .. did I miss it, or did he only say he wanted to? :D
11:24:37 <LordAro> technically i do still have the tab open
11:45:20 <eirc> hey guys about that kiwi christmas event, will it be streamed or something? I'd love to watch some competitive openttd :D
11:57:18 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #6979: Fix: [Win32] Align sprite glyphs to the font baseline when using Uniscribe text layout https://git.io/fpELh
12:42:33 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: I deployed the latest version to staging; it is still a bit of a manual process, but I am getting there :)
12:43:12 <TrueBrain> wow, it is stupidly fast :P
12:43:24 <TrueBrain> it is looking really good, damn
12:43:26 <TrueBrain> nice work andythenorth :)
12:44:21 <TrueBrain> owh, right, we have to fix emails not being plain text I guess .. or do we believe enough in the spamfilter .. hmm
12:46:14 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: found a bug: the logo always points to the current page. It should point to the main page :)
12:46:58 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: another bug, the sorting order of news is wrong :)
12:59:50 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: file some tickets :P
13:00:07 <andythenorth> the project manager can prioritise and allocate my time :P
13:01:21 <andythenorth> or I'll look when I've done the washing up :P
13:15:01 <andythenorth> oh the header logo is weird
13:15:10 <andythenorth> can click on the 'OpenTTD' text, but not the icon
13:15:15 <andythenorth> different images
13:15:54 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: pushed
13:24:07 <planetmaker> eirc, I don't know. In principle OpenTTD allows to join games as spectator - so a streaming of the game itself technically is not necessary as you could simply join - if they make the servers publicly accessible
13:24:45 <planetmaker> it is a question you have to ask the kiwi guys, though (I did ask it them as well - but have no answer so far)
13:39:42 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: well, that is quick :D
13:40:00 <andythenorth> this stuff is trivial
13:40:04 <andythenorth> static sites ftw
13:40:20 <TrueBrain> its funny how quick it becomes because of that
13:44:05 <LordAro> TrueBrain: is "staging" anywhere public?
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13:44:10 <eirc> nice planetmaker thanks for the input, I contacted them through the participation form I'll let ya know if get any feedback
13:44:44 <TrueBrain> LordAro: define "public", but it has an https address yes :P
13:46:39 <LordAro> TrueBrain: what is the url?
13:47:08 <Eddi|zuHause> imho "it has an https address" is not "public"
13:47:22 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: that was exactly why I asked
13:47:25 <TrueBrain> as it is not really public
13:47:27 <TrueBrain> it is just available
13:47:34 <TrueBrain> it is not meant for publication
13:47:39 <TrueBrain> just to be accessable :P
13:47:59 <TrueBrain> just a temporary address etc etc
13:48:49 <Eddi|zuHause> news is definitely backwards
13:49:40 <Eddi|zuHause> is "CABBAGE" some sort of inside joke?
13:53:36 <andythenorth> you going to apply it to the new repo? o_O
13:53:48 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: CABBAGE is what one puts in templates to indicate unfinished work
13:54:01 <andythenorth> or sometimes, find where something is being injected :P
13:54:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i figured as much. wasn't the question i asked :p
13:55:17 <andythenorth> new site is new is old
13:55:21 <LordAro> andythenorth: technically i could...
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13:56:55 <TrueBrain> LordAro: after the initial port, you can make a PR for these things :)
13:57:01 <TrueBrain> but first we are going to move stuff one-on-one
13:57:34 <LordAro> i figured you might say that :p
13:57:42 <LordAro> i'll try not to delete it in the meantime then :p
13:57:50 <TrueBrain> you can already prepare the PR :)
13:59:18 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: added LICENSE and a start on a README :)
14:13:07 <TrueBrain> lol .. we have a wrongly date news item it seems :D
14:13:34 <TrueBrain> hmm, no, Jekyll is acting weird
14:13:39 <TrueBrain> no title, no author, no date
14:14:29 <TrueBrain> haha, a : in the title :)
14:14:51 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: a bug; the frontpage shows ALL news items :P
14:15:41 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: another bug: <!-- --> stuff is generated in the HTML, wasting space
14:15:46 <TrueBrain> seems like a silly thing to do :)
14:16:26 <TrueBrain> guess we should change those into template comments?
14:17:17 <andythenorth> Liquid might have a 'drop comment' syntax
14:17:20 <andythenorth> I can look later
14:17:21 <TrueBrain> hmm .. not all author names are showing up
14:17:53 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: media/images/dot.png not found errors btw :)
14:18:43 <TrueBrain> an author name starting with a 't', any, doesnt work ..
14:19:11 <TrueBrain> this is really weird
14:19:20 <TrueBrain> sometimes adding a letter can make the author disapear
14:21:05 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe the website has synesthesia, and letters can change the colour of a word? :p
14:21:45 <TrueBrain> ah, andythenorth is doing something funky with site.people
14:22:41 <andythenorth> it was your idea TrueBrain :(
14:22:52 <TrueBrain> it was? I AM BRILIANT :P
14:23:01 <TrueBrain> I also dont understand the piece of code tehre :D
14:23:06 <TrueBrain> "remove_first" .. what does that do?
14:23:32 <TrueBrain> ah, Kamnet is in the _people, that is why his name works
14:23:50 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: you put me in without a nick :D EVIL!
14:24:08 <andythenorth> I haven't looked, but I think there was something there where I couldn't figure how to parse urls
14:24:17 <andythenorth> am I just doing a stupid split to drop something from path?
14:24:42 <TrueBrain> mainly, if the author is not in people, it doesnt show anything
14:25:20 <andythenorth> it will be a null key
14:25:23 <TrueBrain> do you really want to put everyone in the people list?
14:25:34 <TrueBrain> as we have some old old names there :D
14:25:36 <andythenorth> it seemed weird to have 'people' for contacts
14:25:42 <andythenorth> and then not use 'people' for posts
14:25:54 * andythenorth wonders about a README
14:26:03 <TrueBrain> let me try to fiddle a bit with this
14:26:28 <andythenorth> making an entity for 'people' was an exercise in learning Jekyll
14:26:48 <TrueBrain> and leaving my Nick empty was just spite :P
14:26:50 <andythenorth> it could just be dropped, and names written out in the content
14:26:58 <andythenorth> I don't think it's winning us much
14:27:06 <TrueBrain> I like your idea to allow to link to people who we know
14:27:13 <TrueBrain> but itmight be overdoing it
14:27:21 <andythenorth> I think it's overkill
14:27:21 <TrueBrain> so yeah, going to remove it for now :)
14:27:42 <andythenorth> you can replace 'contact' with a paste of the generated output
14:28:03 <TrueBrain> 'people' stuff is nice for contact
14:28:06 <TrueBrain> makes it easier to manage
14:28:14 <TrueBrain> just the hook into the post seems overkill
14:28:20 <TrueBrain> {{ post.author }} should be enough?
14:29:34 <andythenorth> simpler is better
14:29:42 <andythenorth> also I don't like that loop
14:33:16 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: please always end all files with one (and exactly one) \n :)
14:33:20 <TrueBrain> you had .. variantions in that :P
14:34:13 <andythenorth> I switched editor recently
14:34:21 <andythenorth> I've just found the setting in the new one
14:34:42 <andythenorth> now I will get complained at again at work
14:34:51 <andythenorth> and I found 'strip whitespace'
14:35:03 <andythenorth> people love my diffs
14:40:11 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: I pushed stuff
14:40:18 <TrueBrain> can you look at pagination if youhave the time? :)
14:41:15 <andythenorth> I can later today
14:41:29 <andythenorth> be nice to be 'done'
14:41:30 <TrueBrain> but now you have 235 news items to toy with :P
14:43:34 <TrueBrain> guess we should automate the thumb creation some day
14:45:38 <andythenorth> so Ludde works at Spotify
14:45:46 * andythenorth followed a news article
14:46:02 <TrueBrain> what part about that makes you wonder? :)
14:46:11 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: would that mean ImageMagick or something on the server?
14:46:21 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: in the build-step, yes
14:46:49 <Eddi|zuHause> uhm, Ludde was the founder of spotify, right?
14:46:52 <andythenorth> overcomplicate everything with a proprietary media server and a CDN
14:47:04 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: that is a first I hear that suggestion
14:47:47 <Eddi|zuHause> at least he was involved very early on
14:47:56 <andythenorth> he's not listed as a founder
14:48:03 <andythenorth> he might have been a very early engineer?
14:48:38 <TrueBrain> we are now speculating ;) Might not be the best thing in the world to continue this road :)
14:48:49 <TrueBrain> (before you know it, someone updates his wiki and now is a fact :P)
14:49:02 <andythenorth> if wikipedia doesn't know, humanity doesn't know
14:49:06 <andythenorth> so often wrong :P
14:49:41 <Eddi|zuHause> that's how the world works, right? everyone thinks they know something, and suddenly you're being accused of "fake news" when you try to correct it
14:50:06 <andythenorth> so has Eddi|zuHause implemented the pagination yet?
14:50:15 <andythenorth> most of it is probably deciding the rules
14:50:45 <andythenorth> seems we paginate in blocks of 5?
14:50:48 <Eddi|zuHause> cross between paganism and imagination?
14:51:04 <andythenorth> the correct value is always 50 :P
14:51:09 <andythenorth> dunno why people much around with 5 or 10
14:51:17 <andythenorth> or they get it even worse, and go to endless scroll
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14:52:23 <Eddi|zuHause> good luck doing endless scroll on a static page :p
14:53:03 <andythenorth> just load more content
14:53:35 <andythenorth> xhr to a static page
14:53:58 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: I see what you mean with folders; that is pretty nasty to keep correct :D
14:54:05 <TrueBrain> I was putting screenshots in folders .. it did not like that :D
14:54:14 <andythenorth> it does not like
14:54:20 <andythenorth> 'flat is better than nested'
14:54:28 <TrueBrain> yeah ... flat is unreadable
14:54:42 <TrueBrain> guess I can prefix all files with the version
14:54:55 <andythenorth> how many screenshots are there?
14:55:46 <TrueBrain> yeah, I am going to just prefix them all with the version
14:56:02 <TrueBrain> I do wonder what we should do with the special screenshots
14:56:10 <TrueBrain> sorting will put them in weird places, I guess
14:56:35 <andythenorth> oh TrueBrain you know the prefix is irrelevant?
14:56:37 <TrueBrain> deleting the r10000 cake?! :o :o :o
14:56:51 <andythenorth> the sorting is dictated by the FrontMatter entry in the md file
14:57:02 <Eddi|zuHause> make up a fictional inbetween version number?
14:57:17 <andythenorth> we could also just do it on the filename
14:57:35 <TrueBrain> how does it know that posts filename start with a date?
14:57:48 <andythenorth> posts are a magic type of collection
14:58:12 <TrueBrain> would be nice to not repeat 'group' in md files
14:58:33 <andythenorth> we can sort on arbitrary keys in Liquid filters
14:58:47 <TrueBrain> it is not the sorting
14:58:50 <TrueBrain> the information ! :D
14:59:04 <TrueBrain> now for every screenshot the name will be like: 0.4.7-blabla.png
14:59:07 <andythenorth> I mean: we can split the filename, and use that to compose groups
14:59:13 <TrueBrain> and a 0.4.7-blabla.md, with : group: 0.4.7
14:59:21 <TrueBrain> let me fiddle with that :)
14:59:31 <andythenorth> doing it reliably needs someone who is more interested in splits or regexp than me
14:59:48 <andythenorth> I have officially never written a regexp in 35 years of coding
14:59:51 <andythenorth> and I'm not starting now
15:00:05 <TrueBrain> if you have a problem you try to solve with regex ... you just have two problems
15:00:42 <andythenorth> the liquid filters are pretty good
15:00:56 <andythenorth> and Jekyll extends it with some that are custom to Jekyll
15:02:42 <andythenorth> will the whole world get re-written in YAML?
15:03:10 <andythenorth> also we should convert NML to YAML
15:12:33 <Eddi|zuHause> regex is like alcohol, if it's not solving your problem, you're not using enough of it yet
15:22:32 <Xaroth> What's wrong with XML?!
15:22:39 <TrueBrain> go back to your corner!
15:23:06 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #6980: GDI engine for font glyph rendering as a replacement for FreeType https://git.io/fpowu
15:23:28 <Xaroth> I wonder if we can make the savegames in yaml
15:24:38 <Eddi|zuHause> we haven't done XML savegames in the laast 15 years, why would we start with yaml savegames now?
15:25:24 <Xaroth> Because it's the new thing
15:27:38 <TrueBrain> I wish it was a bannishable offense to talk stupid :P
15:29:55 <Eddi|zuHause> you have +b power, use it?
15:30:31 <Eddi|zuHause> (although i fear you'd quickly have to use it on yourself :p)
15:30:51 <TrueBrain> yeah, that is my main issue tbfh :P
15:30:56 <TrueBrain> that made me wonder if the world is fair
15:31:17 <TrueBrain> hmm .. 'alt' text is not showing
15:31:24 <LordAro> Eddi|zuHause: KSP uses xml savegames, iirc
15:31:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm pretty sure that's incorrect
15:52:04 <TrueBrain> adding 42 MiB of PNGs to git
15:52:08 <TrueBrain> is this a good idea, I wonder
16:11:31 <andythenorth> people complain it makes deployments slow
16:15:37 <frosch123> spreadsheets use xml savegames
16:16:55 <TrueBrain> okay, pushing 50 MiB :D
16:17:03 <TrueBrain> we should use LFS for this, but meh
16:17:07 <Eddi|zuHause> <TrueBrain> is this a good idea, I wonder <-- what else would you do with them?
16:17:24 <andythenorth> there's a github service for binaries
16:17:24 <TrueBrain> storing binaries in git is not really .. smart :)
16:17:28 <andythenorth> or was that bitbucket?
16:17:36 <TrueBrain> either way, it is done :P
16:17:43 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: added a tons of {{ base }} to URLs
16:17:51 <TrueBrain> which seems a bit nicer than the remove_first statements :)
16:18:05 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: sometimes ideas are bad, but every other idea is even worse
16:18:11 <TrueBrain> but you might want to check if it works for you andythenorth :)
16:18:29 <TrueBrain> right, lets see if I can understand pagination :)
16:18:47 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe ask paganini?
16:19:20 <Eddi|zuHause> (wonder if i can come up with more puns using pag*)
16:20:07 <Eddi|zuHause> (was trying to do one with panini, but it didn't work out)
16:21:16 <TrueBrain> so for pagination you need jekyll-pagination, it yells, but that repo is no longer under active development
16:21:18 <TrueBrain> this feels weird :P
16:24:43 <andythenorth> I'll dig through those in a bit
16:29:19 <andythenorth> old posts innit :)
16:29:20 <TrueBrain> we also used to host OpenTTD on torrent
16:29:30 <andythenorth> link integrity checker's going to find the link rot
16:29:31 <TrueBrain> I noticed a few issues with old posts
16:29:38 <TrueBrain> not sure if we want to fix that :P
16:29:52 <andythenorth> I might, just so I can get a clean 404 check
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16:30:18 <TrueBrain> pagination works, now to make it pretty
16:30:48 <TrueBrain> please, just use common sense ;)
16:31:01 <andythenorth> assumes I have any spare :P
16:45:29 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I think I murdered Chrome
16:45:47 <TrueBrain> it still thinks the server is alive .. while I killed it :D (locally)
16:49:27 <Eddi|zuHause> also: '"We found a proliferation of press releases, white papers, and persuasively written articles [about blockchain]," Burg et al wrote on Thursday. "However, we found no documentation or evidence of the results blockchain was purported to have achieved in these claims. We also did not find lessons learned or practical insights, as are available for other technologies in development."'
16:54:34 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: more fixes :)
16:54:45 <TrueBrain> pagination, and I changed the URLs of news to start with /news
16:54:50 <TrueBrain> easier to migrate :)
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16:57:38 <andythenorth> 2005: new servers!
16:58:03 <TrueBrain> pushed latest version to staging
16:58:17 <TrueBrain> incredible how fast things are, if they are not dynamic :P
16:59:11 <andythenorth> and how easy to work on
16:59:25 <andythenorth> I wonder why we pissed around for so many years with database driven systems
16:59:35 <TrueBrain> because DYNAMIC IS GOOD :P
17:01:45 <TrueBrain> so, the things we have to fix: language status, downloads, and serverlisting
17:01:46 <andythenorth> DB MIGRATIONS THAT ARE NOT IDEMPOTENT
17:01:56 <TrueBrain> language status .. we might just drop it tbh
17:02:01 <TrueBrain> downloads .. I have some ideas
17:02:05 <TrueBrain> server-listing is a sysop thingy to fix
17:03:23 <andythenorth> was a bit brutal, but JFDI eh
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17:04:05 <andythenorth> when LordAro finishes porting the skin to proper css, we can delete most of the media
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17:09:16 <TrueBrain> we changed history, bah :P
17:09:24 <TrueBrain> news should be immutable! :P
17:09:29 <TrueBrain> but SourceForge links are weird :P
17:10:03 <TrueBrain> I tried to change URLs to https ... not all sites accept https ..
17:10:32 <TrueBrain> I like the [dead link] thing andythenorth, nice
17:11:36 <TrueBrain> but yeah .. I guess we should now lock the repo and start using PRs :)
17:11:45 <TrueBrain> think it is mature enough to do that, you agree andythenorth?
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17:22:13 <TrueBrain> but locally it works
17:22:40 <TrueBrain> docker should be deterministic!
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17:27:12 <andythenorth> my new editor is on the wrong linebreak?
17:27:26 <andythenorth> some of the post files might have broken encodings btw
17:27:49 <TrueBrain> possibly it is latin-8
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17:27:59 <TrueBrain> you get what I mean
17:29:26 <TrueBrain> I did not check how the UTF-8 went via MySQL .. most likely horrible :D
17:33:11 <TrueBrain> and I am sure we will find more things wrong with the news :P
17:35:20 <TrueBrain> whyyyyyyy does travis fail on something that works locally
17:36:45 <andythenorth> I just invented cache invalidation in the shower
17:36:50 <andythenorth> not sure the world needed that
17:41:16 <TrueBrain> it makesno sense why it works locally, but not on travis .. its a 'docker build' ffs
17:42:28 <andythenorth> 2438 instances of slash-x{0D}
17:42:35 <andythenorth> which my editor fails to recognise
17:43:09 <andythenorth> replace with \r ?
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17:47:09 <TrueBrain> hmm, indeed, lots of \r :)
17:47:13 <TrueBrain> created a PR for that
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17:57:02 <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> DB MIGRATIONS THAT ARE NOT IDEMPOTENT <-- "idempotent" means "if you do it twice on top of each other, you don't change the result again", is that really what you meant?
17:57:33 <Eddi|zuHause> in maths speak: a^2=a
18:11:13 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek-github] pyup-bot opened pull request #20: Scheduled monthly dependency update for December https://git.io/fpoPl
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19:06:30 <Eddi|zuHause> but... what about eggs?
19:07:39 <Wolf01> Mmmh, dying connection o'clock
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19:08:46 <Eddi|zuHause> peak usage in your neighbourhood?
19:10:39 <Wolf01> Probably, this hour and on weekend mornings
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19:36:47 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: I fixed \r\n issues
19:36:54 <TrueBrain> they are now alllll \n :)
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19:45:19 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: how did you check for dead links btw?
19:45:22 <TrueBrain> might be good to add that as CI
19:46:10 <andythenorth> I used a mac tool called integrity
19:46:17 <andythenorth> but there are others
19:46:29 <andythenorth> at work we pay for a license of Total Validator and run it on all html pages
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19:55:09 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: what to do about translations count?
19:55:32 <TrueBrain> I do not think it helps, on the website
19:55:40 <TrueBrain> when we first added it, it gave a lot of new translators
19:55:45 <TrueBrain> but .. I do not think it does these days
19:55:56 <TrueBrain> so I was thinking about simply removing it for now
19:55:56 <andythenorth> there is some other issue with getting an account on WT :P
19:56:00 <andythenorth> I would remove it
19:56:14 <TrueBrain> we use eints these days, and are there issues?
19:56:18 <TrueBrain> I am not aware of any
19:56:45 <andythenorth> there was some nonsense about who is the translation manager
19:56:52 <andythenorth> maybe someone was trolling dunno
19:57:02 <TrueBrain> yeah; that was nonsense
19:57:09 <TrueBrain> people "demanding" to know who is being "translation manager"
19:57:14 <andythenorth> I didn't keep up with it
19:57:15 <TrueBrain> that is totally irrelvant
19:57:19 <TrueBrain> like asking who is behind info@
19:57:21 <Xaroth> sounds like an epeen contest
19:57:32 <TrueBrain> but grumpy people can make a lot of noise
19:57:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the person with the banhammer won that :p
19:57:55 <TrueBrain> "they requested an account DAYS ago, WHAT IS THIS NONSENSE?! You do this all for free, AND YOU GIVE NO SERVICE" or something similar
19:58:05 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: you are absolutely correct :)
19:58:40 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: 'html-proofer', a ruby tool, that is maintained, seems to do the trick of checking
19:59:07 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: or just write a recursive curl with logging
19:59:11 <Eddi|zuHause> a few months ago another guy wanted to know about the translations manager, and i told him "you don't want to know what happened to the last finnish guy who asked about the translations manager"
19:59:34 <TrueBrain> the main issue is, it is never a question of "who is this person"
19:59:39 <TrueBrain> you have a question, ask the question
19:59:46 <TrueBrain> the witchhunting is just useless crap
20:00:06 <TrueBrain> lol ... if you curl www.ovh.de, you end up in an endless loop :D
20:01:17 <TrueBrain> guess not having a cookie means you get a redirect :D
20:04:02 <andythenorth> I want a river building tool :(
20:04:08 <andythenorth> for when I bulldozer river by mistake
20:04:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i hate pages where you need cookies like that
20:04:50 <Eddi|zuHause> out of the top: twitter or new york times
20:07:43 <TrueBrain> 173 external links .. that is a lot :P
20:12:45 <Xaroth> andythenorth: ask peter1138, he might have a patch for that.
20:15:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm pretty sure that's a one-line change
20:15:25 <Eddi|zuHause> just remove the check for "you're in editor"
20:15:32 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: maybe you could add your second commit? o_O
20:15:39 <Eddi|zuHause> well, ok, maybe 3 lines
20:15:57 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: not sure i agree with the feature itself
20:16:17 <andythenorth> but rivers get over-thought
20:16:42 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i'd rather have rivers self-repairing (like a mini-flood) if no alternate route (via canals) is provided
20:16:58 <andythenorth> but that's a really lot more work
20:17:02 <Eddi|zuHause> and that is more than one line :p
20:36:04 <nielsm> 11:43:12 <TrueBrain> wow, it is stupidly fast :P <-- let's spearhead the "responsible web design" movement, making sites that are just fast, without wasting time downloading and executing several megabytes of javascript
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20:40:40 <andythenorth> spend it on images :P
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23:23:43 <peter1138> Hmm, I see Yogscast are playing OpenTTD on their winter stream.
23:30:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i ever saw more than 5 minutes of yogscast
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