IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2018-10-17
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00:06:55 <planetmaker> iSoSyS, for me, on 2 monitors, OpenTTD covers in full screen one monitor (as does any other full screen programme)
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00:08:03 <iSoSyS> main monitor, or the one where the window currently is?
00:08:25 <Eddi|zuHause> most modern games offer choice between "actual" fullscreen and "windowed" fullscreen
00:08:41 <Eddi|zuHause> which may behave differently
00:09:57 <iSoSyS> I am aware. It is also common to offer an option with the target screen (for borderless at least)
00:10:15 <planetmaker> the latter: current monitor... I wanted to answer until I just tried again
00:10:26 <planetmaker> funkily it cloned itself to both screens :|
00:13:42 <planetmaker> bloody hell. That killed my monitor arrangement and set it to mirror
00:14:18 <iSoSyS> lol. That's something not expected.
00:14:34 <planetmaker> let's see whether it happens again
00:15:05 <planetmaker> yes. Indeed, it happened again
00:15:22 <planetmaker> Activating full screen in openttd resets my monitor arangement to mirror instead of dual
00:16:34 <planetmaker> That's something new to me. And that definitely was different before
00:20:17 <iSoSyS> I did hammer down a few changes to enable borderless in sdl. But I did some wrong assumptions, and while redoing I stopped once I realized I couldn't handle multi-monitor arrangements from within sdl.
00:22:17 <planetmaker> maybe that's the issue with it...
00:22:24 <iSoSyS> So I guess I either wait for SDL2 or I need to handle it without the help of SDL. Which would be hard and very platform dependent
00:23:03 <iSoSyS> maybe. From my searchs, sdl1.2 is not known to handle multimonitors nicely
00:23:07 <planetmaker> well... platform dependent it is anyway. SDL is primarily used for linux support in OpenTTD. Windows uses GDI. And OSX uses cocoa
00:23:36 <planetmaker> yet, last time I tried, SDL worked at least on mac. But that's rather years ago than months
00:25:09 <iSoSyS> and the other more obscure platforms? isn't it with sdl?
00:25:34 <planetmaker> well, likely. I honestly don't know. Android is a kind of linux as well
00:26:24 <iSoSyS> yes, it seems so. I just checked the readme, except DOS everything is SDL
00:28:02 <planetmaker> I don't say to not care... but if SDL on general linux is improved... that's a win. Even when it doesn't work on some more obscure system :)
00:29:39 <iSoSyS> did SDL2 drop support of any platform?
00:35:09 <iSoSyS> It's a dropdown in the settings.
00:35:24 <iSoSyS> btw, you lose alt-tab when in borderless
00:35:42 <planetmaker> ok. Is that necessary to loose?
00:36:29 <iSoSyS> no, but you need to handle explicitly. Since when in borderless the WM delegates all tasks to you
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00:38:11 <planetmaker> where's the setting for borderless?
00:38:38 <iSoSyS> dropdown bellow screen resolution
00:41:54 <planetmaker> ok, my fault... built wrong revision from your repo :D
00:42:04 <planetmaker> interestingly ... full screen worked there...
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00:43:21 <iSoSyS> strange, any other of my branchs don't have video driver related changes. So it is something in between 1.8.0 and HEAD
00:44:35 <planetmaker> yeah... my checkout wasn't very recent... so maybe
00:45:01 <planetmaker> so, your windowless version works for me. When activated, it defaults to complete desktop, covering both my screens
00:45:48 <planetmaker> when I change the resolution to smaller, then the main menu and settings window are not re-positioned. I might end up w/o access to them had I made it smaller than half the width
00:46:22 <iSoSyS> Well at least it behaves as expected.
00:46:39 <planetmaker> I'm not sure we have a callback for that, though to reposition windows
00:47:49 <iSoSyS> it's GameSizeChanged()
00:47:56 <planetmaker> I experience little difference between switching between windowed, fullscreen and borderless modes though
00:48:26 <iSoSyS> do fullscreen also spawn both screens?
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00:52:43 <iSoSyS> well, that's the part that would need platform depend things. Spawn both screens is not the intended behavior 99% of the times
00:53:00 <planetmaker> sometimes one, sometimes both screens when selecting 'full screen'
00:53:00 <iSoSyS> borderless to windowed crashes?
00:53:20 <planetmaker> I can switch from whatever to whatever mode w/o issue
00:53:32 <iSoSyS> ah I saw some crashed with the transition borderless to windowed.
00:54:33 <iSoSyS> not crash, more like unresponsive. But anyway that is strange. At least I expected some consistency in the behavior
00:55:39 <planetmaker> there is some regularity... but given the time I'm not exactly awake enough anymore to say exactly :)
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00:57:38 <planetmaker> I don't think there's anything unresponsive for me either. It's a quick and clean switch
00:57:43 <planetmaker> no flickering, no nothing
00:59:35 <iSoSyS> btw, what is your environment? X11 or wayland?
01:01:13 <planetmaker> it's fedora 28. So Wayland I suppose
01:01:35 <iSoSyS> interesting interesting
01:04:16 <planetmaker> It's using the default noveau graphics driver, no nVidia stuff
01:08:14 <planetmaker> anyway, good night for now :)
01:08:33 <iSoSyS> it seems only fedora 28 gnome has wayland
01:09:45 <planetmaker> well, there'll be Fedora 29 very soonish :P
01:11:28 <planetmaker> $ echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
01:11:42 <planetmaker> my beliefs crumble :P
01:15:11 <iSoSyS> wait, that affects a fuckton of servers.
01:16:02 <planetmaker> like... every server
01:22:40 <iSoSyS> ahhh libssh and openssh are different things
01:22:47 <iSoSyS> the internet can remain calm
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14:42:15 <Eddi|zuHause> "By presenting the server an SSH2_MSG_USERAUTH_SUCCESS message in place of the SSH2_MSG_USERAUTH_REQUEST message which the server would expect to initiate authentication, the attacker could successfully authentciate without any credentials." <-- what is this, win95-retro-feeling?
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19:23:00 <Samu> Just finished the AI competition
19:23:37 <Samu> I started on 2nd october
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19:25:49 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: I have not seen truelight.
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20:03:18 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i'm sure other people had those kinds of mistakes :p
20:04:17 <Wolf01> Speaking about mistakes, I heat up the PEARS with the GOULASH in the microwave, thinking they were potatoes
20:04:48 <Wolf01> I can't keep up with things today
20:05:05 <Eddi|zuHause> at least both are edible :p
20:05:30 <Wolf01> Luckily I found they were pears before mixing it all up
20:06:03 <Eddi|zuHause> would probably not have been that bad...
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20:08:28 <Wolf01> I couldn't wait to try again :P
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21:00:46 <planetmaker> Wolf01, goulasch and pears doesn't sound as bad as one would think on first sight
21:02:32 <frosch123> i don't think i ever had cooked pears
21:03:26 <frosch123> but there are many receipts/pictures on the internet, so apparently it is a thing
21:11:26 <LordAro> more or less for the same reasons you cook any other fruit
21:12:10 <Wolf01> Luckily I like cooked pears :D
21:30:17 <andythenorth> so I wanted to ask Truebrain, but eh, he's maybe afk
21:30:25 <andythenorth> do we want to try and get help with infra?
21:30:41 <andythenorth> moving to github has worked for core, we have 156 closed PRs since April or so
21:30:53 <andythenorth> even 'good first task' things are getting looked at
21:31:06 <andythenorth> but the infra seems to have massive bus factor / limited progress
21:33:14 <Xaroth> If you say his name three times, it summons the TrueBrain.
21:33:27 <Xaroth> So whatever you do, don't say TrueBrain.
21:33:45 <andythenorth> does he then chop your head off with a hooked hand?
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