IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2018-10-18
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08:52:03 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth opened issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fxait
09:06:46 <LordAro> ideally this would go in a bananas repo... but that doesn't exist yet
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18:00:00 <andythenorth> such Truebrain? o_O
18:01:11 <andythenorth> no I did not, but that is a good call
18:01:40 <andythenorth> something like this happened once before
18:01:48 <andythenorth> I had to use musa for uploads for a short period
18:04:24 <LordAro> frosch123: you should have access to the server with the logs on it, right? we could try to diagnose the issue...
18:04:49 <frosch123> i am only devzone admin
18:05:17 <andythenorth> afaik it's rubidium and TB
18:05:20 <andythenorth> I don't know about others
18:13:48 <frosch123> i can tell that the disk is not full
18:13:58 <frosch123> but the log files are from another group
18:15:45 <Eddi|zuHause> whenever anyone says "musa" i must think of that running gag from bad boys (2?) with rubbing your ears and say "wusa" to calm down
18:19:54 <frosch123> ETA for "disk full" is 50 years. V has disappointed :)
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19:05:00 <Eddi|zuHause> clearly, any value >6 months means you wasted ressources prematurely :p
19:05:59 <Eddi|zuHause> you must use cloud/blockchain/agile/AI/cyber...
19:06:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure i missed a lot of misplaced buzzwords
19:14:52 <andythenorth> we don't just talk about blockchain though
19:15:04 <andythenorth> we also talk about distributed ledgers
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20:04:41 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fxV7l
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20:13:20 <andythenorth> funny noise for a wolf
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20:20:42 <andythenorth> so what I wondered
20:20:49 <andythenorth> actual dev is in pretty good shape
20:20:55 <andythenorth> 127 merged PRs since April
20:21:03 <andythenorth> but the infra seems to have huge bus factor
20:21:18 <andythenorth> so I wanted to write a forum post / openttd front page post
20:21:30 <andythenorth> to see if we could recruit people to work on infra
20:21:53 <andythenorth> I think it's quite a good pitch for people at student age
20:21:54 <frosch123> last time that gave zero replies
20:22:17 <andythenorth> well it might be like the devops engineer hires everyone is trying to do
20:22:27 <andythenorth> but actually what TB is working on is pretty attractive
20:22:43 <andythenorth> docker, kubernetes, github, CI, jenkins etc
20:22:48 <andythenorth> are all the good buzzwords
20:23:20 <andythenorth> but I don't know if TB is actually prepared to fgive give anyone keys to kingdom
20:24:02 <frosch123> random people will definitely not get to current stuff :)
20:24:18 <frosch123> but everyone can fork the compile farm on gh and complete it
20:24:25 <andythenorth> you know I might still have devzone SSH? :P
20:24:29 <andythenorth> I hope not but eh
20:25:29 <frosch123> well, if you can find people to add github authentication to eints :)
20:25:48 <frosch123> ideally in a way so that i can reuse it for bananas
20:28:18 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fxVFv
20:29:23 <TrueBrain> I take your fanks and raise you a tail
20:29:28 * andythenorth wonders if we have more infra plan than in the trello
20:30:41 * andythenorth trying to see if there are any equivalents to 'good first issue' for infra
20:31:13 <TrueBrain> good first issues: make a (new?) website which works from a docker :P
20:31:52 <andythenorth> didn't we argue out what the website should be like twice before?
20:32:29 <TrueBrain> what also works: a docker which runs the MSU and has a nice website to show the current state of servers
20:32:37 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: troll? You know me so little :(
20:33:05 <andythenorth> I ma really hazy on the infra and how it connects
20:34:09 <andythenorth> maybe I should try and draw it then you can laugh at my drawing
20:34:33 <TrueBrain> why? just pick any item, make a container around it, and show it :P
20:34:44 <frosch123> andythenorth: i am currently not asking for contributors to bananas. i have way too many projects (at work), where i need to tutor people. i need something to mess with on my own for once
20:35:18 <andythenorth> that's exactly how I feel about newgrf
20:35:25 <frosch123> but eints, nml-compile farm, ... all free to take
20:35:27 <andythenorth> it's my mess, I don't have to collaborate
20:35:35 <TrueBrain> openttd-compile farm!
20:35:55 <andythenorth> come on then TrueBrain, how do we make it fun
20:36:06 <andythenorth> the current trello just looks exactly like my day job too
20:36:13 <andythenorth> except I at least have paid employees there
20:36:22 <andythenorth> 50% fewer than are needed
20:36:31 <TrueBrain> infra is like a real day job, sadly :P
20:36:39 <andythenorth> hey we could ISO 27001 OpenTTD?
20:36:44 <andythenorth> that I could do for fun
20:36:48 <andythenorth> shall I pay for it?
20:36:58 <TrueBrain> you can do the open-source-bus-factor thing if you like
20:37:09 <andythenorth> most things are bus factor 1
20:37:14 <andythenorth> in my experience
20:37:24 <TrueBrain> not many stuff is, honestly
20:37:37 <TrueBrain> everything I know of is at least 2+
20:38:25 <andythenorth> I think I have a joke about if the bus hits one, the other then has to do all the paperwork
20:38:30 <andythenorth> but it doesn't quite flow
20:38:45 * andythenorth has ISO audit soon, it's a paperwork world
20:38:49 <TrueBrain> just hope nobody bombs the Netherlands :P
20:38:58 <andythenorth> I often hope that
20:39:05 <andythenorth> in my prayers every day
20:39:21 <andythenorth> that's what started capitalism apparently
20:39:26 <andythenorth> community shares in them
20:39:36 <andythenorth> open dike tycoon
20:39:44 <andythenorth> dike railtype grf
20:39:53 <frosch123> money unit should be tulips then
20:40:38 <frosch123> oh, TB means tulib bulbs?
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20:42:25 <TrueBulb> ok enough dicking around
20:42:27 <Eddi|zuHause> really should be FalseBulb?
20:42:43 <TrueBrain> @kick TrueBulb stop dicking around
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20:43:02 <TrueBrain> *giggles like a child*
20:43:23 <TrueBrain> @kick Xaroth so does he
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20:43:25 <andythesouth> TrueBrain: so I might write in forums in the 'we moved to github' post
20:43:33 <andythesouth> TL;DR 127 PRs merged, all is awesome
20:43:37 <andythesouth> please send infra codez
20:43:55 <andythesouth> like, that trello, is overwhelming amount of things
20:43:56 <TrueBrain> that, or get me some time off :P
20:44:03 <andythesouth> I offered you employment
20:44:32 <andythesouth> 10k Tulip Bulbs yes
20:44:40 <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> are all the good buzzwords <-- the issue is generally not the buzzwords, but to use the right ones at the right task
20:45:01 <andythesouth> Eddi|zuHause: I think that's agile information delivery
20:45:11 <andythesouth> in a context appropriate methodology
20:45:19 <andythesouth> with temporal awareness
20:45:28 * TrueBrain gets his axe, cuts off LordAro's arms .. NOW TRY WAVING AGAIN
20:45:57 <TrueBrain> I can still kill you, COME BACK HERE
20:46:00 <TrueBrain> such a fun movie :)
20:46:27 <andythesouth> did planetmaker find us a macOS maintainer?
20:46:36 <TrueBrain> I read Bjarni was coming back
20:46:41 <frosch123> it's required to understand python's gh bots
20:46:47 <DorpsGek> LordAro: bjarni was last seen in #openttd 7 years, 1 week, 6 days, 18 hours, 27 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh
20:47:44 <DorpsGek> frosch123: petert was last seen in #openttd 3 years, 30 weeks, 4 days, 21 hours, 38 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <PeterT> See you in 5 years! I'll be done with the my Dental school by then
20:48:07 <andythesouth> I don't get all this
20:48:11 <andythesouth> when I went to university
20:48:21 <andythesouth> I didn't work much on my degree work
20:49:19 <andythesouth> I learnt photoshop, dreamweaver, director, bryce 3D, after effects and video editing
20:49:28 <andythesouth> also photography
20:49:31 <andythesouth> and I read a lot of books
20:49:45 <andythesouth> also Unreal Tournament
21:07:31 * Xaroth throws a Fedo at TrueBrain
21:08:12 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: where is the ardite chicken?
21:08:28 <andythesouth> so 127 PRs merged since April
21:08:37 <andythesouth> wonder what happened for previous 2 years
21:08:43 <andythesouth> frosch123 kept the lights on
21:08:54 <andythesouth> peter1138 went on one or two patch sprees
21:08:59 <andythesouth> and the rest was translation commits
21:09:00 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: didn't you eat those?
21:09:08 * andythesouth wonders if there's a number to compare
21:09:36 <andythesouth> probably if I could filter git log :P
21:09:45 <frosch123> we can have a second 25k party at some point
21:09:52 <andythesouth> I can probably just paste git log into excel and count with my fingers
21:10:09 <TrueBrain> ..... whhhyyy ..... omggggg
21:10:17 <TrueBrain> ITS RIGHT THERE THEN! Omg
21:10:19 <andythesouth> like, even without CF, moving to git = massive success
21:10:38 <TrueBrain> now people just need to keep up with the reviews :P
21:10:47 <TrueBrain> we need a better workflow :P
21:10:50 <andythesouth> but filter by 'awaiting author' :)
21:10:54 <TrueBrain> I wonder what GitHub Actions are going to be :)
21:11:16 <andythesouth> oh yes samu added a shitload of PRs
21:11:36 <LordAro> TrueBrain: i saw that, looks quite interesting
21:11:37 <andythesouth> it was about 6 that weren't blocked on author
21:11:44 <andythesouth> then there was a flood
21:11:44 <LordAro> possibly a gitlab-ci competitor
21:12:04 <TrueBrain> yeah ... I tried to implement our own, but it is not easy
21:12:14 <TrueBrain> so if they supply it .... that would highly improve efficiency
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21:13:55 <andythesouth> oof now I am actually trying to count git commits
21:14:40 <andythesouth> SO says git rev-list HEAD --count
21:14:58 <TrueBrain> why is your Security Officer telling you things?
21:15:16 <TrueBrain> why is your Significant Other telling you things?
21:15:33 <andythesouth> I always paste whatever my Security Officer tells me
21:15:48 <TrueBrain> curl ... | sudo bash -
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21:45:42 <andythesouth> 244 since April 2018, 135 in the year before that
21:49:38 <Eddi|zuHause> so we prolonged "openttd is dying" for a while?
21:49:53 <TrueBrain> how do you like your glass half empty?
21:50:13 <Eddi|zuHause> now if only we had nightly builds, so people could actually test stuff :p
21:50:28 <TrueBrain> now if only we had active users, not the judging doing nothing ones :P
21:51:12 <andythesouth> TrueBrain: you might have missed it, but Eddi|zuHause actually made a commit
21:51:21 <TrueBrain> I had to double check
21:51:25 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause with a GitHub account
21:51:34 <TrueBrain> the world stopped spinning for a moment :)
21:51:37 <andythesouth> while I do genuinely appreciate eddi's armchair advice
21:51:43 <andythesouth> I like the commit more
21:53:14 <Eddi|zuHause> you act like i changed more than 5LOC
21:54:58 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i changed like 10, and then changed 5 back because i was trying to do too many things at once
21:57:28 <andythesouth> Eddi|zuHause: it was a clean fix to an actually annoying bug :P
21:57:30 <andythesouth> what more could we want?
21:58:00 <andythesouth> I bold some stuff in that post, for effect
21:59:15 <Eddi|zuHause> use "[list]" and "[list=1]" bbtags?
22:00:51 <TrueBrain> andythesouth: realise your "bananas" issue could be very local
22:00:55 <andythesouth> there I went font crazy
22:01:05 <TrueBrain> over the years, we more often had one or two person where it didnt work, while for others it did just fine
22:01:18 <andythesouth> it was reproed by neko in forums
22:01:36 <andythesouth> obvs that doesn't mean broken for all
22:01:44 <TrueBrain> but as long as musa works
22:01:52 <TrueBrain> and you forgot to use the buzzwords!
22:01:55 <andythesouth> I haven't tried musa yet, too busy doing words type things
22:01:55 <Eddi|zuHause> andythesouth: honestly? the other post was easier readable...
22:01:57 <TrueBrain> kubenertes, cloud, .... ;)
22:02:02 <andythesouth> Eddi|zuHause: too much fonts>?
22:02:11 <andythesouth> I think too much
22:02:25 <Eddi|zuHause> like these youtube videos that spell out the words they talk, but each word is in a different size and direction
22:02:29 <TrueBrain> nothing alcohol cant fix
22:02:53 <andythesouth> my inner font nerd is crying
22:03:14 <Xaroth> now TrueBrain will be really afraid.
22:03:16 <andythesouth> why do I hate bbtag format so much? :P
22:03:31 <Eddi|zuHause> because you are too biased towards md?
22:03:53 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i think worse than the fonts is the empty lines
22:04:21 <Eddi|zuHause> like those news sites that start a new paragraph every 2 sentences
22:04:25 <andythesouth> you will make me put in the bbtags :(
22:04:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't read those...
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22:07:01 <andythesouth> ok I did reformat it
22:10:31 <andythesouth> sounds like an awesome malware solution
22:10:39 <andythesouth> "The need for any kind of trust in centralized tools and decision makers disappears, relying instead on a decentralized consensus mechanism which registers and acts on information in real time reacting to threats and unexpected changes to secure states."
22:10:52 <andythesouth> so if I can afford 51% of computing power
22:10:55 <andythesouth> I win your devices
22:11:06 <andythesouth> then I use those to win more devices
22:11:09 <andythesouth> then I win world
22:12:31 <Eddi|zuHause> isn't that what happened to bitcoin?
22:14:55 <andythesouth> time to put recycling out?
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22:23:45 * peter1138 ponders updating GPU drivers.
22:24:41 <andythesouth> at least it's only one
22:28:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i fried hacked peter earlier today
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