IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2018-03-24
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05:02:46 <rocky1138> Is there any way to set the UI to be 1.5x in scale? 1x is too small and 2x is too large.
05:10:44 <Eddi|zuHause> that would be great, but it's not easy to do
05:15:28 <rocky1138> Has anyone attempted to make a 3d visualization of openttd, like how some people have done with Vultures
05:16:05 <rocky1138> As in how Vultures made NetHack isometric vs. text based. Could the same thing be done for openttd but with 3d graphics instead?
05:17:25 <Eddi|zuHause> there was a really old transport tycoon for playstation game that was 3D, but i hear it was really bad otherwise
05:18:59 <Eddi|zuHause> there isn't really anything stopping you from adding a 3D engine to the game drawing code, but you'll not get far with trying to maintain compatibility with all the 2D NewGRFs out there
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05:20:29 <Eddi|zuHause> and if you're willing to scrap those, you're better off just starting a new game
05:20:43 <Eddi|zuHause> which people have done, and they called it "Transport Fever"
05:30:08 <rocky1138> Yeah that's interesting. I wonder if there's a way to build the 3d models dynamically from the 2d data in the NewGRF. I worked with a 3d voxel engine built by SOS that took a side view and a front view and built a 3d voxel model from it.
05:32:12 <rocky1138> Someone was able to generate 3d from 2d NES tiles
05:52:46 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i can totally see how you could build a 3d model from a front and side view, and i even think you could adapt that to the skewed views of vehicles, but then you have other stuff like buildings which only have one view, and station roofs which have curves and hidden areas below them, which you just cannot fill in properly
05:53:27 <Eddi|zuHause> you can make it work in some special cases, but there's really no way you can solve it in the general case
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10:09:17 <TrueBrain> is this the moment we start screaming running around naked in the neighourhood? :D
10:09:32 <andythenorth> only if Bjarni also turns up
10:09:49 <Pikka> I didn't know you'd stopped, TrueBrain
10:10:04 <TrueBrain> sssttt, that was our secret!
10:10:10 <andythenorth> so whatsup pikka?
10:11:50 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: looks pretty good to me
10:12:08 <peter1138> Dunno what it is an improvement over :p
10:12:27 <TrueBrain> hmm .. escaping dots looks weird in URLs now :D
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10:14:58 <TrueBrain> time to restart import, as I dont like what it is doing to dots :)
10:15:21 <LordAro> TrueBrain: i wonder if it actually needs a link to flyspray beyond the initial message
10:15:29 <LordAro> bit redundant, maybe?
10:15:44 <TrueBrain> this conversation has already been taken place :D
10:15:50 <TrueBrain> but no, not redundant. Each comment has an origin
10:15:54 <TrueBrain> it is important to mention the origin
10:16:06 <LordAro> that conversation was about removing the footer entirely
10:16:18 <LordAro> i was wondering about just the link
10:16:21 <TrueBrain> fair enough; bit tomato tomato to me :D
10:16:24 <TrueBrain> no, the link is the important part
10:16:30 <TrueBrain> each comment has a source; mention it
10:16:38 <TrueBrain> import can make mistakes etc :)
10:16:51 <TrueBrain> better to allow people to click on it, and see what the source said
10:16:58 <TrueBrain> something something, research education, something
10:17:31 <andythenorth> all CABBAGE removed
10:18:23 <andythenorth> CABBAGE is the string that shows unrefactored things
10:18:54 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I remember why I didnt want get into this "change the body" shit .. it is shit to do right :P
10:19:18 <TrueBrain> a line that starts with ([\s]+)-, should be replaced with $1\\-
10:19:22 <TrueBrain> you get shit like this ...
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10:28:31 <TrueBrain> okay, another attempt .. this time with less escaping, but enough to make it look pretty, I think ..
10:28:42 <TrueBrain> bonus: it fixes ticket links to GH now :D
10:28:58 <TrueBrain> (so FS#123 becomes #123)
10:29:34 <TrueBrain> 5 hours of import, GO :D
10:32:36 <TrueBrain> now .. lets upgrade bamboo ..
10:44:04 <TrueBrain> that host ... still .. runs wheezy ... lol
10:44:17 <TrueBrain> not enough memory to reinstall atm .. meh
10:44:43 <TrueBrain> git 1.7.10 .. lol .. yeah, that is going to be an issue :D
10:47:53 <TrueBrain> now the tricky part .. making sure we can still push out a new release, while also going forward :D
10:48:21 <Pikka> if you push it out backwards, you'll go forwards
10:48:31 <TrueBrain> Newtons law, I like it
11:13:54 <TrueBrain> awh, skipping a version gives weird dependency issues with 'man' :D
11:32:50 <TrueBrain> and of course now grub doesnt want to install ... stupid grub always :P
11:48:56 <TrueBrain> I always fail to recover from grub bullshit
11:49:07 <TrueBrain> but after punshing command often enough
11:51:38 <TrueBrain> haha, my placeholder bug mentions #1234 .. so now 1234 is getting all the placeholder links :D
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11:59:04 <TrueBrain> lets see if it reboots ... always the annoying part :D
11:59:35 <TrueBrain> fsck kicks in .. good sign I guess
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13:36:12 <TrueBrain> frosch123: in OpenTTD-RC2 there is a new issue import currently running; I hope I fixed a few annoyances
13:36:34 <TrueBrain> and you mentioned some issues with weird characters, but I couldnt find a ticket to test on .. so if you have any, lemme know :)
13:37:48 <frosch123> mostly 6355 was silly
13:39:48 <frosch123> hmm, how do github people do commit/push checks
13:40:02 <TrueBrain> you can hook those things into the repo
13:40:04 <frosch123> or do they just emprace the chaos of mixed eol?
13:40:07 <TrueBrain> you can toy with OpenTTD-RC a bit
13:40:12 <TrueBrain> create a bad PR and see what happens
13:40:17 <frosch123> i was looking through the settings
13:40:27 <frosch123> but only found webhooks for notifications
13:40:27 <TrueBrain> for example, I enabled the check that demands the PR being a FF
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13:40:58 <TrueBrain> click on Edit of Master
13:41:01 <TrueBrain> you have more options there
13:42:37 <TrueBrain> grrrr ... latest Bamboo needs MySQL 5.6 ... we run 5.5
13:43:26 <TrueBrain> no mention about that in the installation guide ..
13:44:07 <TrueBrain> so now I also have to update MySQL, and hope everything still magically works .... ugh ..
13:44:11 <TrueBrain> this can end in horrible tears :P
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13:52:33 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I also think you need a remote service to do those status stuff, but I never used it, so dunno ..
13:52:41 <TrueBrain> but first I now have to fix a MySQL being annoying as fuck
13:54:31 <Darkvater> can't believe you're still around TrueBrain
13:54:42 <Darkvater> and why am I still op? lol
13:56:17 <TrueBrain> cant believe you are talking Darkvater :P
13:56:31 <TrueBrain> and that you still remember you credentials to IRC :P
13:57:11 <Darkvater> my credentials are saved. Would have no idea otherwise; haven't been here in years
13:57:13 <frosch123> well, i just read about .gitattributes
13:57:27 <frosch123> i was not aware that git had LF normalisation
13:57:50 <Darkvater> still a lurker, still thinking of getting back into ottd. However life caught up :)
13:57:52 <LordAro> yeah, that's really easy with git
13:58:11 <Darkvater> moved to HK about 6 years ago now
13:58:33 <frosch123> LordAro: my status was that only svn had that stuff, and everyone else said "fix your ide"
13:58:38 <TrueBrain> frosch123: but think about the whitespace at-end-of-line crap! :D
13:58:39 <Darkvater> crazy isn't it TrueBrain
13:59:09 <Darkvater> my wife happened :p
14:00:06 <TrueBrain> always a valid reason ... ;)
14:01:02 <Darkvater> I actually still have the code checked out. This game is so addictive
14:01:10 <TrueBrain> can a MySQL 5.5 client connect to a MySQL 5.7 server .. hmmmmmm
14:01:25 <TrueBrain> your credentials should also still be there, so you can just start pushing patches :P
14:02:18 <TrueBrain> ah, no, that is a lie
14:02:26 <TrueBrain> we cleaned up a few months (years?) ago :P
14:02:41 <Darkvater> :) probably a good thing
14:02:47 <frosch123> probably when switching from svn to ssh+svn
14:02:55 <Darkvater> my C/C++ skills have become way too rusty
14:02:58 <TrueBrain> no, switching to LDAP I think :P
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14:03:06 <TrueBrain> you are all into PHP now? :D
14:03:27 <TrueBrain> I was afraid you were going to say dotnet
14:03:33 <TrueBrain> Java is okayish, I guess
14:04:20 <TrueBrain> I am back to C .. been doing Python for a few years now .. so happy to write C again :D
14:04:53 <Darkvater> the best part is: I've never wanted to do Java and look where I'm now.
14:05:07 <TrueBrain> a language is just a language :)
14:05:08 <Darkvater> cant' stand python either. indentation drives me nuts
14:05:17 * Darkvater is moaning like a proper old man
14:05:27 <TrueBrain> as long as the job is good, and the people around you are passable :P
14:05:36 <TrueBrain> Belugas would be proud!
14:06:04 <Darkvater> I see Bjarni's fame is eternal
14:06:20 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 6 years, 24 weeks, 2 days, 12 hours, 47 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh
14:06:45 <frosch123> oh, it is not the piano quote?
14:07:09 <frosch123> i thought the last quote was a link to a yt video about someone throwing pianos with a custom trebuchet
14:07:57 <frosch123> i am sure, when tb is done with git, he will start bothering with discord
14:08:12 <DorpsGek> LordAro: Belugas was last seen in #openttd 51 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 49 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <Belugas> yeah, a birthday :) a good friend of mine!
14:08:32 <Darkvater> random question: anyone used lizardfs?
14:08:49 <Darkvater> I'm looking for a distributed fs to setup my own private cloud using sbc's
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14:50:25 <andythenorth_> channel is time machine today
14:51:19 <andythenorth_> ottd catches up with future
14:51:30 <andythenorth_> old ottd people return :p
15:02:33 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I tried Discord already .. nobody seemed interested :P
15:02:58 <TrueBrain> MySQL might go awol for a bit of time ... lets see if it still supports all the DB schemes we use ..
15:05:57 <TrueBrain> frosch123: as OVH is no longer sponsering, do you mind if I remove the OVH stuff from the main page? Or do we have a reason to keep it atm?
15:06:29 <frosch123> no, everyone was wating for someone to do it :)
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15:07:10 <andythenorth_> we could make a new website :p
15:07:29 <frosch123> everyone gladly assigns that project to you :)
15:07:56 <frosch123> anyway, after 1.8 i actually want to look into a new bananas
15:09:00 <andythenorth_> I am happy to help
15:09:00 <andythenorth_> anything I do looks like Bootstrap mind
15:09:12 <andythenorth_> also I need a project to learn SASS
15:09:21 <andythenorth_> currently I use LESS
15:09:52 <andythenorth_> but SASS won and my day job needs to switch
15:10:10 <TrueBrain> still sad about that :P
15:10:13 <frosch123> i actually do not know why we have a website :p
15:10:27 <andythenorth_> because reasons
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15:10:46 <andythenorth_> we just need a couple of static pages imho
15:12:20 <TrueBrain> I think I murdered a VM :(
15:13:19 <TrueBrain> it happens to run MySQL .. it might be a thing ...
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15:15:30 <TrueBrain> some magic later ... STILL ALIVE
15:16:28 <Eddi|zuHause> are you now breaking stuff on purpose just to appear as ahero fixing it?
15:17:19 <frosch123> he does not have access to the power plug
15:17:34 <TrueBrain> I have no clue what I am doing, but it is doing something
15:17:39 <frosch123> the physical power plug
15:17:41 <TrueBrain> I just have a vague end-goal
15:18:21 <TrueBrain> but no .. I just want Bamboo 6
15:18:24 <TrueBrain> all I am asking for
15:20:00 <TrueBrain> as that means I can run Dockers as build-jobs
15:26:15 <TrueBrain> there are funny things you can add to the PR process on GH
15:26:24 <TrueBrain> coverage checks, but also security checks
15:28:45 <Pikka> yes we have new bananas?
15:30:53 <TrueBrain> I wonder if we should replace our own SSO with GitHub ...
15:31:06 <TrueBrain> as people dont need an account anymore for anything except editing the wiki I guess
15:32:07 <TrueBrain> Feature Request: allow login on eints via GitHub!
15:32:56 <TrueBrain> owh, and BaNaNaS ofc .. pfft
15:33:07 <TrueBrain> too many services which require authentication :P
15:46:20 <TrueBrain> grub is weird ... exact same issue on this VM as other, same steps dont fix it ... weeiiirrrrddddd
15:46:39 <LordAro> grub does tend to be pretty magic
15:47:15 <LordAro> can't say i've ever had any issues with it on VMs though
15:48:00 <Eddi|zuHause> grub scares me every time
15:48:45 <Eddi|zuHause> on my last system update i was greeted with a "grub rescue>" prompt and a message like "module <whatever> not found"
15:49:06 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it was "symbol not found"
15:51:31 <TrueBrain> okay ........ update-grub -> fails. update-grub --help, shows help. update-grub again, works ..
15:58:20 <TrueBrain> owh, it also changed it into MariaDB
15:58:33 <TrueBrain> lets see if everything works :)
15:59:37 <TrueBrain> now the MySQL is running again .. lets try to fix grub .. I hate this day :P
15:59:40 <TrueBrain> I wanted to be productive :D
16:08:53 <TrueBrain> very weird issue .. if I execute it by hand, it works fine ..
16:10:05 <TrueBrain> lets try a reboot ..
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16:12:37 <TrueBrain> okay ... it should be back on its feet ...
16:13:18 <TrueBrain> let me know if anything is not working properly on openttd.org plz :)
16:15:14 <frosch123> is farm supposed to work already?
16:15:40 <TrueBrain> lolz ... okay, so I went through this trouble to get MySQL 5.6
16:15:47 <TrueBrain> turns out Debian wanted to install MariaDB .. what-ever
16:15:51 <TrueBrain> I assumed that would do the trick
16:15:56 <TrueBrain> turns out .. that reports itself as 5.5
16:16:32 <Eddi|zuHause> none of what you said made any sense
16:16:52 <TrueBrain> I would consider that an issue on your side ;)
16:18:05 <TrueBrain> now lets hope the database is still compatible ...
16:20:44 <TrueBrain> it would have been easier to setup a new database tbfh ..
16:22:57 <TrueBrain> and that moment it wants to reset the root password of the database ... wuuuttthhh?!
16:26:25 <TrueBrain> longest openttd.org downtime in years :P
16:28:39 <LordAro> this is what you get for not maintaining the systems for years :p
16:28:56 <TrueBrain> they are maintained; be careful with your remarks there
16:29:10 <TrueBrain> I just had no intention to ever upgrade passed 5.5 for MySQL
16:29:20 <LordAro> i would consider updating them part of maintenance
16:29:21 <TrueBrain> (not as long as we run Django 1.2)
16:29:29 <TrueBrain> there is update, and upgrade
16:29:36 <TrueBrain> there is mainainted, and state-of-the-art
16:30:47 <TrueBrain> owh, jolly good ... mysql start doesnt tell me why it fails to start .. it just doesnt start
16:35:44 <TrueBrain> LordAro: but make no mistakes that most VMs have had their security updates etc .. it is easy to judge from the side .. but just be careful .. 1 thng about SysOp work: people always bitch about what you don't do, they never compliment on what you DO do .. not really ... motivational
16:35:55 <TrueBrain> (and I say this to you, but it holds to a few more people in this channel)
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16:39:03 <TrueBrain> it seems MySQL 5.7 is wire compatible with 5.5 :P
16:40:13 <Rubidium> that's sadly the eternal problem of utility jobs, and yes I count IT in the same category as water, electricity and gas
16:40:48 <TrueBrain> I only bitch to the builders of my house ... :D
16:41:10 <Rubidium> to the builders, or the management of the builders? ;)
16:41:17 <supermop> not to your architect?
16:41:27 <TrueBrain> management, fair enough :)
16:41:32 <supermop> you are supposed to hire an architect to bitch to them
16:41:41 <TrueBrain> I aint hiring an architect
16:41:43 <supermop> then it's the architect's problem
16:42:02 <LordAro> TrueBrain: well now i feel bad
16:42:10 <LordAro> i should know better, of course
16:42:17 <supermop> our fee structure is based on us taking the abuse from both client and contractor
16:42:47 <LordAro> TrueBrain: did not mean to imply anything by my words, my apologies
16:43:02 <TrueBrain> LordAro: accepted :) No worries .. sometimes I am just annoyed :P
16:43:02 <LordAro> i do tend to go for the "move fast and break things" type of sysadmining
16:43:23 <Rubidium> so you're running gentoo?
16:43:25 <TrueBrain> good thing is that Bamboo is now working .. finally
16:43:39 <LordAro> Rubidium: i'm not quite that mad
16:43:44 <supermop> though i am in proces of quitting my job as architect to work for a developer, so i will then get to abuse the architects
16:45:00 <LordAro> speaking of, ooh, clang6
16:45:40 <TrueBrain> now where are my agents! :@
16:46:28 <TrueBrain> they ... crashed .. lol
16:49:03 <TrueBrain> okay .. the build-agents I dont dare to upgrade, as I am afraid no binaries will ever again come out of it :D
16:49:15 <TrueBrain> frosch123: farm is online again :D
16:49:29 <TrueBrain> I forgot .. we still build simutrans nightlies :D
16:50:00 <TrueBrain> we stopped doing that long long long ago not?
16:50:03 <TrueBrain> are they still alive?
16:50:24 <Rubidium> well, I guess we stopped that during the migration to bamboo then
16:50:35 <TrueBrain> I think we stopped as there were no commits :P
16:51:55 <frosch123> yay \o/, now we just need a commit of the day to test it
16:52:32 <TrueBrain> now going to install docker slaves
16:52:58 <TrueBrain> and link them to GH
16:59:13 <TrueBrain> Bamboo wants the password of the GitHub account :o
16:59:18 <TrueBrain> tokens dont work ... wuth?!
16:59:59 <TrueBrain> ah ... no, they do, pfew
17:19:37 <TrueBrain> weird .. GitHub and Bamboo integrate, but not on PR level
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17:42:52 <TrueBrain> grr, the GitHub Status plugin for Bamboo is not available for the latest Bamboo :D
18:00:33 <TrueBrain> now how do we get PRs to work ...
18:03:50 <TrueBrain> seems I do need a custom script for that .. ugh
18:07:41 <TrueBrain> oaky, this needs more work than I would expect ... I really expected things to be a bit further along in terms of integration
18:22:17 <rocky1138> where are you reading this?
18:24:14 <TrueBrain> on the interwebz? Your question is a bit too vague
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18:33:39 <Chucky2> it seems that master-server is down ..
18:34:01 <TrueBrain> poor Master Server ..
18:34:06 <TrueBrain> he didnt survive the MySQL upgrade? :(
18:34:43 <Wolf01> It sure hates you for that
18:35:20 <TrueBrain> SELECT list is not in GROUP BY clause blablabla
18:35:41 <sim-al2> "people always bitch about what you don't do, they never compliment on what you DO do"
18:43:25 <TrueBrain> okay, 2 unrelated errors because of the 5.7 upgrade .. one is a more strict approach of MySQL queries
18:43:35 <TrueBrain> the other is that the tables need an upgrade .. which is tricky :D
18:44:03 <TrueBrain> just 30 MiB of table data, but it is still busy trying to do it :D
18:44:27 <Rubidium> didn't the master server survive? The author of that must have messed up seriously
18:44:41 <TrueBrain> the author just messed up some SQL knowledge :D
18:44:56 <TrueBrain> the rest is just MySQL being silly
18:46:44 <TrueBrain> hmm .. it still wants a table upgrade ...
18:54:06 <TrueBrain> the tables are invalid :D
18:55:10 <TrueBrain> 2 default values are wrong; I cannot change 1 because the other is invalid. Euh ... yes ... fml
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18:58:32 <TrueBrain> dammit, needs a code update :)
19:00:36 <TrueBrain> 0000-00-00 00:00:00 is no longer a valid DATETIME
19:00:38 <TrueBrain> I mean .. seriously
19:03:03 <TrueBrain> where can I find the functions via phpmyadmin...
19:09:14 <TrueBrain> well, first some food .. MSU is offline till then I guess :(
19:12:47 <TrueBrain> lol .. it tries to fix an ARCHIVE .. it wont succeed :D
19:14:06 <TrueBrain> it is once again marked as crashed ... I really hate the ARCHIVE shit we started to use :P
19:14:09 <TrueBrain> owh well, first food I said
19:21:04 <Wolf01> Make a new table, copy data, delete old table, rename table
19:22:38 <Wolf01> Don't forget to disable foreign keys first :P
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19:30:39 <Oletimer> I'm having a problem with OTTD, when I build new trains to carry either mail or pax, they won't load at stations even tho the station has many hundred of both available, any suggestions please?
19:31:21 <Eddi|zuHause> you need to refit them first (unless you have wagons capable of autorefit)
19:31:48 <Eddi|zuHause> also, you should check whether you have cargo distribution enabled, then the cargo may want to go to a different destination
19:31:50 <Wolf01> Or if enabled cargodist, check if the cargo wants to go to the trains' destinations
19:32:16 <Wolf01> Eddi is always faster than me :P
19:32:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't hear that very often :p
19:33:08 <TrueBrain> okay, MSU is back on its feet :)
19:33:27 <Oletimer> Ok, thanks guys, I'll check that out, whats the best setting to ensure even distribution?
19:36:46 <Eddi|zuHause> for passengers and mail it should be symmetric, and if you feel your trains are too congested you may tweak the distance penalty
19:36:47 <Oletimer> I'll see what I can change, although the earlier trains will load, it's only new trains that won't load?
19:37:02 <Eddi|zuHause> do you use shared orders?
19:37:38 <Oletimer> not sure i know what shared orders are, sorry
19:39:01 <Eddi|zuHause> if two trains go to the same stations, you can share their orders, by ctrl+click on the other train instead of the destination station when assigning orders
19:39:22 <Eddi|zuHause> that way, it will be easier to modify all trains that share the orders
19:39:37 <TrueBrain> ugh, recovering the Archive database is really shitty .. only 1/8th of the data can be recovered by normal means
19:39:53 <Eddi|zuHause> who needs archives anyway
19:40:11 <TrueBrain> it contains the bananas downloads .. which we used to make a timeline of business
19:40:16 <Oletimer> I've only been using TT about 20 years and it still amazes me what I don't know about it
19:40:17 <TrueBrain> I doubt that script has run in a very long time tbh
19:40:44 <Eddi|zuHause> that happens to the best of us :p
19:42:15 <Oletimer> so, if I 'share' the orders of one the 'old' trains with a new one it should behave normally?
19:42:43 <Eddi|zuHause> it might be, i'm a little fuzzy on the details of cargodist
19:43:37 <Oletimer> ok, i'll try it anyway, thanks
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