IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2018-03-23
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12:14:14 <SnoopyBerlin> hello pikka, were are you from?
12:15:05 <SnoopyBerlin> you are from japan?
12:17:58 <SnoopyBerlin> ist hier wer aus deutschland?
12:18:20 <Pikka> I'm not, I'm from Australialands
12:19:10 <SnoopyBerlin> i have heard is very in down under
12:22:37 <SnoopyBerlin> pikka you are male or female
12:23:52 <peter1138> Pikka is probably male or female.
12:23:57 <peter1138> Nobody is quite sure.
12:24:08 <peter1138> Possibly Pikka is a machine.
12:24:33 <peter1138> SnoopyBerlin, what's your favourite transport type?
12:26:04 <SnoopyBerlin> peter you are a human?
12:26:12 <LordAro> peter1138: what is your favourite colour?
12:26:57 <peter1138> I'm no human. I'm a cyclist.
12:27:23 <SnoopyBerlin> you are not a mashine like pikka
12:28:11 <Pikka> the banana yellow in TTO was the best company colour.
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12:33:37 <SnoppyBerlin> lord aro. you are a human?
12:35:03 <SnoppyBerlin> from england is this right?
12:35:24 <LordAro> you don't really get Lords anywhere else
12:36:39 <peter1138> I don't think you are *really* a lord...
12:37:40 <SnoppyBerlin> bad weather in berlin
12:38:07 <peter1138> There is no weather.
12:41:14 <SnoppyBerlin> no one from germany here? :-(
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12:48:34 <peter1138> Do I want a Vivoactive HR?
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12:49:12 <peter1138> Was it more boring elsewhere?
12:49:31 <SnoppyBerlin> yes shopping today
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14:21:50 <Eddi|zuHause> how egocentric must one be to join a place and demand to be entertained?
14:40:19 <supermop_work> Eddi|zuHause: i demand you entertain me
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15:10:31 <Flygon> Eddi|zuHause: Too egocentric to join up to Netflix and let the recommendations menu entertain you.
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17:55:38 <nielsm> any chance of the new master git going on air within the next few days? because I'm going on a 2 week trip to japan from thursday next week and I'd like to have my patches rebased to the new one before then :)
18:06:19 <LordAro> think people agreed not to do it before 1.8 release
18:06:27 <LordAro> which will presumably be April 1
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18:18:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm still sceptical about there being an actual release :p
18:27:32 <supermop_work> i'm still demanding that you entertain me
18:27:47 <supermop_work> like maybe an epic poem or saga?
18:28:05 <supermop_work> preferable the saga is about my ego
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19:49:15 <supermop_work> Wolf01: don't introduce the 2nd to last item with 'finally'
19:49:29 <supermop_work> I know you mean 'finally this is fixed'
19:49:45 <supermop_work> but it reads odd even if it is technically correct
19:50:35 <Wolf01> Even "eventually" means a different thing
19:52:26 <supermop_work> do you mean 'industries window' or industry's window
19:52:49 <supermop_work> is it the industry directory, or the individual window for each industry
19:55:33 <supermop_work> slight fixes for style:
19:56:05 <supermop_work> sorry there were a lot of comma splices/run ons
19:57:43 <supermop_work> you forgot: "removed sea"
19:58:24 <Wolf01> I would put that in the changelog as april fool
19:58:39 <Wolf01> "removed sea, made ships running on tracks"
19:58:56 <Wolf01> Which is not really so wrong
20:00:10 <supermop_work> "removed sea, made airplanes run on canals"
20:01:19 <Wolf01> If only NRT was merged... "removed roads"
20:02:31 <Wolf01> Merged ships and airplanes, you now can only use ekranoplans
20:03:43 <Wolf01> Where's andy? We should tell him the bad news XD
20:03:50 <supermop_work> feature: removed towns
20:04:26 <supermop_work> feature: removed game. OpenTTD is now a tetris clone"
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20:55:22 <Wolf01> So what could I do this evening? More than 800 games to play, a lot of movies to see on netflix, more bugs than stars to fix
20:56:15 <Eddi|zuHause> get this surviving mars bug fixed that crashes and burns my whole OS
20:57:46 <Wolf01> I would like to fix astroneer instead... the new rovers slip too much and consume a lot of energy
21:01:58 <Wolf01> Posted by various animals <- XD
21:02:16 <frosch123> i will avoid the forum post, the tetris part will likely cause confusion drama
21:04:26 <Wolf01> Nono, do it, oh, better provide pictures too
21:14:26 <frosch123> tweet it, then i can retweet
21:14:38 <Wolf01> I don't have twitter :P
21:14:53 <andythenorth> I do but not for OpenTTD stuff
21:14:59 <frosch123> i have no idea about twitter, maybe i could tweet from imgur?
21:15:27 <andythenorth> copy link, tweet?
21:20:49 <frosch123> it added it as a link, not as an image
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21:32:31 <Eddi|zuHause> clearly you should have "share this on <everything>" links directly on the news item
21:33:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and switch the front page to wordpress while at it
21:33:18 <frosch123> does that still exist?
21:33:28 <Eddi|zuHause> how would i know :p
21:34:10 <frosch123> written in php, so no :p
21:35:01 <Eddi|zuHause> put the front page into the blockchain!
21:36:15 <frosch123> there are enough idlers who were chained to a block and cannot leave
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21:52:34 <andythenorth> it has been a blockchain kind of day
21:55:58 <andythenorth> python vehicle classes look like the need mixins
21:56:07 <andythenorth> but mixins are _never_ really needed
21:56:13 <andythenorth> so I must be doing it wrong
21:56:55 <Wolf01> <Eddi|zuHause> clearly you should have "share this on <everything>" links directly on the news item <- just use windows 10 :P
21:57:38 <frosch123> does w10 still need to reboot twice when updating some user-space applications?
21:57:46 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i'm never quite sure what you mean when you say "mixins" but i'd say it qualifies as an antipattern
21:58:19 <andythenorth> multiple inheritance
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21:58:35 <andythenorth> I used them before, I think they're terrible
21:59:17 <Wolf01> frosch123: why should it does? I rarely reboot even for updates :)
21:59:48 <andythenorth> I used to go for months without rebooting on OS X
22:00:00 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: ah, i was imagining something even worse...
22:00:08 <andythenorth> now I have to reboot most weeks
22:00:24 <andythenorth> stuff stops working, turn it off and on again
22:00:36 <Wolf01> I have to fully reboot only on patch tuesdays
22:00:58 <andythenorth> what about when your computer just freezes?
22:01:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i rebooted at least once per day the past week, because i bought a game that crashes my system, but i can't really stop trying it out either
22:01:18 <andythenorth> it's a fact of life with macs
22:01:33 <Wolf01> If a process freeze I kill it
22:01:45 <andythenorth> nah, this is the whole device. Either just stops working, or won't come out of sleep
22:01:51 <andythenorth> increasingly frequent
22:01:54 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: whole OS freezing is usually a driver error
22:02:11 <andythenorth> 'but the people who make the OS make the hardware'
22:02:30 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: monoculture
22:02:32 <andythenorth> I think it's because of the 500% price premium
22:02:39 <andythenorth> 500% more defects
22:02:47 <Eddi|zuHause> monoculture is never good
22:03:20 <Eddi|zuHause> it might seem great in the short term, but in the long term it just doesn't work out
22:03:42 <andythenorth> oh the price premium isn't 500% :o
22:04:14 <andythenorth> where did all the £500 Dell laptops go
22:05:04 <Eddi|zuHause> all the cheap laptop market was lost to netbooks and tablets?
22:05:38 <Wolf01> Cheap notebooks are crap, better buy a tablet
22:05:40 <Eddi|zuHause> so all that's left is full desktop-gaming power in laptop format
22:06:06 <Eddi|zuHause> and that never was cheap
22:06:10 <andythenorth> well that's why Apple think they can charge so much for so little then
22:06:15 <andythenorth> the bottom end of the market has gone
22:06:21 <andythenorth> no downward price pressure :(
22:08:31 <andythenorth> it's only a 140% price premium
22:08:48 * andythenorth hates all technology again :P
22:09:06 <Eddi|zuHause> don't try to live in switzerland...
22:09:21 <Eddi|zuHause> there's like a 300% price premium for items bought in switzerland
22:09:43 <Eddi|zuHause> like, the same ikea product bought in austria or switzerland
22:09:50 <andythenorth> I think we voted to try and live in Switzerland in 2016
22:09:55 <Eddi|zuHause> costs 3 times in switzerland
22:10:14 <andythenorth> post-brexit price rise on high-end products was 20%
22:10:18 <andythenorth> post-vote rather
22:13:52 <frosch123> i remember a proposal for switzerland and scotland to swap their territories, so one could be inside eu and the other outisde
22:15:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure that'll work out great
22:21:56 <andythenorth> all for the best
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22:53:37 <Wolf01> I don't even know why italian keyboard has it... I think nobody even used it
22:53:56 <Wolf01> I would trade it for ~
22:54:08 <frosch123> § was useful to crash some dos programs
22:54:36 <frosch123> in the dos codepage it was in the control code range < 32
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22:55:48 <andythenorth> how do you get files to appear at top of filename list?
22:56:00 <frosch123> what filename list?
22:57:32 <frosch123> Wolf01: your { } look scary
22:57:55 <Wolf01> I do have {}, alt+shift+[]
22:58:52 <Wolf01> Also I hate to not have uppercase accented letters
22:59:16 <Wolf01> We extensively use È and there is no key for that on the keyboard
22:59:25 <frosch123> you have so few keys with 3 symbols, but then some with 4
23:00:10 <Wolf01> Before win 8 I had a lot of keys with 3 or 4 symbols
23:00:26 <Wolf01> But keyboards layouts aren't supported anymore
23:01:11 <frosch123> 11 keys here have 3 symbols by default, and linux secretly adds some to about every key
23:01:14 <frosch123> also caps lock is compose
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23:02:32 <frosch123> wtf. why does french layout have a key with only ² on it?
23:03:45 <glx> don't ask, french layout is weird, it's even impossible to write proper french with it
23:03:48 <frosch123> those are third symbols on my keyboard
23:04:12 <frosch123> but no the french layout that key is among scroll lock usability
23:04:15 <Wolf01> We have ç, which is not even used in italian
23:04:41 <Wolf01> I would also trade that key for `
23:04:59 <glx> I have œ because I use a non default driver
23:05:45 <Wolf01> BTW, I have 56 spare keys on my keyboard, I could make use of them
23:06:05 <glx> and I can type have accents on caps too, thanks to this driver
23:06:20 <frosch123> haha, i see some inch-using countries with ¼, ½ and ¾ keys
23:07:53 <frosch123> otherwise the canadian french one looks decent
23:08:13 <glx> somehow shift+altgr combo doesn't work in kvirc
23:08:45 <glx> international qwerty is the most complete I think
23:09:24 <frosch123> haha it has § on the S key
23:10:12 <Wolf01> If there is something that I really hate about keyboards are the ones with the horizontal enter key
23:10:13 <nielsm> § is customarily used in danish law material
23:10:26 <frosch123> isn't it used in all law material?
23:10:37 <nielsm> maybe, I don't read much not in my native language
23:10:43 <glx> it's used in many language as paragraph
23:13:14 <frosch123> hmm, i thought þ and ¶ were the same thing in lower/upper case
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23:20:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i definitely once knew about Þ and þ being different characters
23:23:28 <Wolf01> I think I'll > bed too
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