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09:11:39  <dihedral> good morning

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14:19:05  <Samu> hi

14:21:55  <Eddi|zuHause> anyone got a suggestion how i get TF to run without screwing up my system?

14:26:41  <debdog> team fpeak?

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14:31:21  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah. that :p

14:31:28  <Eddi|zuHause> not the train game...

14:32:16  <debdog> train what?

14:32:32  <debdog> ahh, feaver

14:32:40  <Eddi|zuHause> transport fever, to be exacrt

14:32:40  <debdog> fever

14:32:47  <debdog> hmm, 3d

14:32:56  <debdog> wine, I suppose?

14:33:01  <Eddi|zuHause> no, linux

14:33:12  <debdog> oh, there's a native version?

14:33:15  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i should try wine

14:34:29  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, native linux. and it used to run about a year ago

14:35:18  <Eddi|zuHause> now it crashes when it loads a game or starts a new game

14:36:32  <Eddi|zuHause> something tells me it won't work in wine, anyway, for dx11 reasons

14:36:37  <LordAro> no error messages when run on commandline?

14:37:07  <Eddi|zuHause> not a useful one:

14:37:08  <Eddi|zuHause> /mnt/disk1/johannes/Steam/SteamApps/common/Transport Fever/run.sh: Zeile 2:  7637 Speicherzugriffsfehler  (Speicherabzug geschrieben) LD_LIBRARY_PATH=.:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH ./TransportFever

14:37:10  <Eddi|zuHause> Game removed: AppID 446800 "", ProcID 7637

14:37:41  <debdog> mayhap it has debugging symbols. what happens when you run it with gdb

14:37:43  <debdog> ?

14:38:17  <debdog> meh, steam. and no demo version

14:38:30  <Eddi|zuHause> there's a GOG version i think

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14:40:41  <debdog> yah, but 50 € just to test it is a tad much

14:44:41  <Eddi|zuHause> was more like 25€ when i bought it

14:48:08  <debdog> https://www.gog.com/game/transport_fever oops, read the wrong price https://www.gog.com/game/transport_fever

14:53:30  <Eddi|zuHause> ok, wine version starts up... now where do i put the linux savegame so it finds it?

14:55:35  <debdog> somewhere in WINEPREFIX/drive_c/users/$nutzername/Anwendungsdaten

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14:56:03  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but which wineprefix :p

14:56:04  <debdog> I suppose

14:56:11  <debdog> hehe, the active one

15:01:48  <Eddi|zuHause> i think i found it

15:02:44  <Eddi|zuHause> in /mnt/disk1/johannes/wineprefixes/steam/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Steam/userdata/37925960/446800/local

15:03:04  <debdog> *facepalm*

15:03:24  <Eddi|zuHause> in that i symlinked the save folder to /mnt/disk1/johannes/Steam/userdata/37925960/446800/local/save/

15:03:50  <Eddi|zuHause> which is the linux version

15:04:29  <peter1138> heh

15:04:51  <debdog> ahh, that's not done by steam. almost blamed them for not knowing file system hirachy

15:05:38  <Eddi|zuHause> well, the /mnt/disk1 part is by me

15:06:07  <Eddi|zuHause> because when i put /home on my SSD, i didn't copy over all the huge game parts

15:07:18  <Eddi|zuHause> well, and now the game is just frozen after loading

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17:29:09  <Samu> cpu evaluator... killing AIs since 2016

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17:30:02  <Alberth> o/

17:31:29  <Samu> hi

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18:16:01  <Samu> testing ships and trains at the same time

18:16:07  <Samu> ais

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18:18:09  <Alberth> use wetrails :)

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18:20:20  <andythenorth> pushboat http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8846/bulkier_bulk_4.png

18:20:31  <andythenorth> I think it's improved since http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8845/bulkier_bulk_3.png

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18:32:17  <Alberth> I fully agree, much better

18:32:34  <Samu> my current desktop view: https://imgur.com/JuaHTva

18:33:48  <andythenorth> or I could just http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8844/bulkier_bulk_2.png

18:33:56  <andythenorth> using the same shape as everything else :P

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19:04:22  <Samu> darn

19:04:39  <Samu> I beg you devs... plz implement this https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1177621#p1177621

19:05:14  <Samu> it's ridiculous to see companies with millions in profit to bankrupt

19:06:30  <Samu>  pretty please?

19:07:37  <ST2> make a poem asking for it, make a music from it, record it and post link here - will touch devs hearts more successfully :P

19:08:38  <Samu> hehe

19:08:38  <Alberth> why would a company with million profits have a max loan in the first place?

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19:08:38  <Alberth> moin

19:08:38  <Wolf01> o/

19:08:38  <Samu> because... i dunno, that's how they work

19:08:41  <Samu> they need more money, so they loan, because they're constatnly building

19:08:56  <Samu> they don't stop :(

19:09:08  <Wolf01> That's how you should play

19:10:10  <Samu> it's usually companies with 1k vehicles or more, bankrupting.. they're victims of their speed

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19:13:11  <Wolf01> Quak

19:14:01  <frosch123> hoi

19:15:17  <LordAro> quak

19:16:08  <Samu> ShipAI just got a few bankrupt warnings...

19:16:16  <Samu> inb4 bankrupt

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19:17:08  <Wolf01> o/

19:17:54  <frosch123> i wonder how many mails i endure until i look up how to block email adresses

19:17:55  <Alberth> andy: I like the 4th one, more variation

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19:19:53  <andythenorth> Alberth: thanks

19:21:17  <andythenorth> I wanted to do a tug, it's the best way to make a flatdeck boat http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8847/pushboat.png

19:21:18  <Alberth> I'd use the 2nd at open sea and the 4th in canals and rivers

19:21:28  <andythenorth> IRL only barges like this really have flat decks

19:21:39  <Wolf01> It's nice

19:21:47  <Alberth> but that may a bit too much :)

19:22:15  <andythenorth> on the left, the lazy way to make a 'small bulk carrier' :P

19:23:13  <Alberth> ha, just copy the storage 2 more times and attach at the front :)

19:23:25  <Alberth> nice articulated ship :p

19:25:01  <andythenorth> so I just read a book set in Delfzijl

19:25:15  <andythenorth> and it mentions groningen, which seems familiar

19:25:22  <andythenorth> does someone from ottd live in groningen?

19:25:47  <Wolf01> Me... not

19:25:48  <Alberth> not that I  am aware iof

19:26:10  <Alberth> but groningen is both a province and a city

19:26:31  <Wolf01> BTW the tug doesn't look the same scale of the other freighters

19:26:42  <andythenorth> the scale is kind of weird

19:26:53  <andythenorth> this one looked wrong http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8845/bulkier_bulk_3.png

19:27:26  <Wolf01> Bulk_4 looks wrong too, too big imho

19:28:33  <andythenorth> too long, too high, too wide, or all?

19:28:38  <andythenorth> or too much house?

19:29:26  <Wolf01> The barge part might be fine, the tug itself is too big (width, height, house)

19:29:42  <andythenorth> I kind of agree

19:29:49  <andythenorth> but when I make it smaller that looks weird too

19:30:30  <Wolf01> If you make the house same size of the large freighter?

19:31:24  <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/unsinkable-sam/repository/revisions/7bf5c91f8c01/entry/src/graphics/ships/bulk_carrier_large_template.png

19:31:33  <andythenorth> history starts at top right goes down and to left

19:32:49  <andythenorth> the sprite has to occupy ~same pixels as the freighter type ship

19:32:55  <Wolf01> The first tug before the gap looks fine

19:33:05  <Wolf01> The one just under the freighter

19:33:50  <andythenorth> ok that's useful

19:34:14  <Wolf01> Also the one before the bottom one (the flat barge)

19:34:22  <Wolf01> Which has the same tug

19:34:29  <andythenorth> yeah

19:34:43  <andythenorth> I'll try an improved version of that

19:34:59  <andythenorth> the tug looks overpowered for the barge currently

19:35:08  <Wolf01> Yeah

19:35:37  <andythenorth> and why draw the sprite just once? :P

19:36:06  <andythenorth> there are 32 variations so far :P

19:36:17  <Wolf01> :D

19:36:20  <andythenorth> anyone want to teach an AI to do this?

19:36:28  <Wolf01> Ask google

19:36:48  <andythenorth> there was that cat drawing thing

19:36:55  <andythenorth> maybe it can do boats

19:36:57  <Wolf01> Or the new microsoft's one, which can draw what you are telling it

19:37:15  <Wolf01> https://blogs.microsoft.com/ai/drawing-ai/

19:37:36  <Wolf01> "draw pixel ships for me"

19:38:50  <Wormnest> Not living in Groningen but it´s close by :)

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19:43:05  <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8848/bulkier_bulk_5.png

19:43:14  <andythenorth> Wolf01: ^ so that one to me looks underpowered

19:43:23  <andythenorth> the barge is relatively much bigger, and the tug looks too small

19:43:34  <andythenorth> and compared to large freighter, which has same capacity

19:44:21  <andythenorth> I need to bisect :P

19:45:32  <andythenorth> tug should be 1/3 of the total length, so I need to lose about 5-6 pixels off it

19:45:39  <andythenorth> but at least it works

19:45:48  <andythenorth> it's less boring than just doing http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8844/bulkier_bulk_2.png

19:48:55  <supermop_work> that doesn't look particularly seaworthy

19:51:51  <andythenorth> 'very little freeboard' http://www.canalscape.net/Book%204/New%20Horizons/Harmonie.jpg

19:52:03  <andythenorth> supermop_work: there's no proper sea in OpenTTD :)

19:52:46  <supermop_work> if its a tug though, it looks big relative to the freighters that do appear ocean-going

19:53:00  <andythenorth> OpenTTD is brown water navy ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown-water_navy

19:57:40  <Samu> shipai crashed... cpu evaluator

20:06:30  <Wolf01> It looks fine, imho

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20:08:05  <Wolf01> V453000: tank flamethrower doesn't look to throw flames, it's more like a jet, that's intended?

20:10:19  <andythenorth> hmm maybe the chibi one is best

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20:13:14  <andythenorth> yeah chibi tug is better than long tug

20:13:15  <andythenorth> ok

20:21:10  <V453000> G_G

20:21:26  <V453000> I wouldn't define it as intentional but the programmer who did it did intend to do it that way

20:21:33  <V453000> it was a last minute commit before release

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20:24:34  <Wolf01> So is there hope to have the napalm-like fire as it's with the turrets?

20:25:09  <Wolf01> http://ral.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Nt3000110-Model.png < andythenorth

20:27:32  <andythenorth> such barge

20:27:47  <andythenorth> that one's big

20:35:35  <andythenorth> which of these?

20:35:36  <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8851/bulkier_bulk_6.png

20:35:42  <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8850/bulkier_bulk_7.png

20:40:17  <Samu> peter1138: https://bugs.openttd.org/task/6679 plz

20:40:21  <Samu> or frosch123

20:40:32  <Samu> or anyone in charge

20:41:53  <Wolf01> andythenorth: 7

20:42:41  <andythenorth> the triangle shapes on the house are too big on 6?

20:42:55  <andythenorth> kind of ugly?

20:43:27  <Wolf01> It's too much high, it looks like a shoe box, not very stable

20:47:17  <andythenorth> how will the driver see over the log stacks? o_O

20:47:18  <andythenorth> :)

20:48:01  <andythenorth> I should have done this one http://www.boatnerd.com/pictures/fleet/dorothyann.htm

20:48:05  <andythenorth> but bridge clipping....

20:49:53  <Wolf01> :D

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21:26:32  <andythenorth> can NRT get into trunk for April 1?

21:27:17  <Wolf01> Please please please

21:28:00  <andythenorth> how?

21:28:26  <Wolf01> Try by asking actual devs :D

21:32:53  <andythenorth> how about NRT becomes trunk release? o_O

21:33:00  <andythenorth> in the new 'replacement' model :P

21:33:17  <andythenorth> frosch123 o_O ^

21:36:13  <frosch123> i looked at jgr's savegame extension branch

21:36:26  <frosch123> we need something similar for newgrf api

21:39:11  <Wolf01> That would be really interesting

21:39:13  <frosch123> jgr savegames contain a list of features, individual version of them, and whether they are essential for loading the savegame

21:39:47  <frosch123> via action14 we could list required newgrf features and associated error messages/hints

21:39:52  <andythenorth> o_O

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21:41:52  <frosch123> i also wondered about including a savegame specification into the savegame itself

21:42:11  <frosch123> like a self-contained description of the map array bit assignment

21:46:30  <andythenorth> interesting

21:49:56  <andythenorth> http://www.railpictures.net/photo/649632/

21:54:20  <Wolf01> :D

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22:48:11  <Wolf01> 'night

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23:03:18  <dihedral> good night

23:11:15  <Samu> wow, a patch for warcraft 3

23:11:16  <Samu> https://us.battle.net/forums/en/bnet/topic/20762006793

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23:14:43  <Samu> 24 Player Support

23:14:48  <Samu> woah... unexpected

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23:57:42  <Samu> Wormnest: hi, I'm testing nonocab and wormai stuff

23:58:25  <Wormnest> Nice Samu

23:59:09  <Samu> nonocab ship original, nonocab ship npf, nonocab ship yapf, nonocab aircraft, nonocab train, wormai train, choochoo train, simpleai train

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