IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2018-02-13
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03:07:34 <Andy1233> Ok, so wasnt expecting this to still be going
03:08:09 <Andy1233> guys, is there any way to force a save or scenario to load without the GRF it's missing
03:09:08 <Andy1233> Of all things it is "town-buildings.grf" - 42650104
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03:28:30 <Andy1233> anyone? I have a save and a scenario that are missing "town-buildings.grf - 42650104" GRF, It's not appearing in the online finder and I can't find it manually. Can I edit the scenario with a new GRF for building or brute force it not to look for the new one?#
03:28:57 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. but we don't talk about it
03:29:22 <Eddi|zuHause> lots of things will probably break if you remove a newgrf
03:30:18 <Eddi|zuHause> you'll have to enable the secret "scenario_developer" setting
03:33:33 <Andy1233> why would it now revert back to default town buildings?
03:35:02 <Eddi|zuHause> but there might be existing buildings with invalid layouts and stuff
03:35:33 <Eddi|zuHause> and the grf might have changed other things
03:35:54 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a reason we have hidden this setting
03:38:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i've already said more than i should
03:41:18 <Andy1233> Why would you hide it? Just have a massive disclaimer
03:41:40 <Andy1233> set newgrf_developer_tools 1
03:42:02 <Andy1233> Thank you, at least the map is loading...only took an hour
03:45:03 <Andy1233> As some feedback...I find it hard to believe that if there's a missing GRF there's not a way to revert it to a basic in built one...especially if the ID is working and would allow it to be compared to another GRF....missing XXXXXX.GRF is a train but is missing so just use YYYYYYY.GRF instead...yeah the design will be different but would at least allow the scenario to run
03:46:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Andy1233: we used to have a giant disclaimer, but people generally clicked through that without thinking about it
03:46:19 <Eddi|zuHause> Andy1233: and grfs can change way more of the core game mechanics than just the look of the train
03:46:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Andy1233: it's impossible to know what a GRF did if that GRF is missing, so we cannot always detect how to revert the changes to a valid game state
03:47:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Andy1233: if you're "lucky" it just crashes right away, but most of the times you don't notice how broken the game is until like 10 to 20 years later, when it's impossible to fix even if you found the newgrf again
03:48:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Andy1233: basically we were drowning in hard to reproduce bug reports from people ignoring the disclaimer, so we had to hide the setting
03:51:24 <Andy1233> Ok, thanks for the 'secret' console command anyway
03:56:44 <Eddi|zuHause> Andy1233: just a short list of things that are probably not safe: removing train/truck/whatever sets while you have any trains/trucks/whatevers. removing/adding industry sets. changing the order of station sets
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09:19:37 <vasatko> Hi how can i change bridge layout? A i know, with Action 0, property 0D. But i i dont know what is value (i try string "_0(23)1_" or hexa 02, but not works).
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12:27:44 <Samu> i just noticed something. AIs appear to be slower in multiplayer servers than in single player
12:28:08 <Samu> seems that their commands "lag"
12:30:48 <peter1138> Just like any client's commands.
12:31:59 <Samu> AIAI pathfinding usually takes 15 days to complete a cycle
12:32:13 <Samu> but in multiplayer it takes about 50 days
12:32:37 <Samu> considering he attempts 100 cycles
12:33:46 <peter1138> Oh you mean squirrel functions rather than server commands?
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12:47:48 <Samu> SCC_PREVIOUS_COLOUR this one looks interesting
12:47:57 <Samu> but doesn't work as I was expecting
12:49:08 <Samu> a {PREVIOUS_COLOUR} would be useful in some situations
12:50:24 <Samu> goal text color is defaulted to orange, but as a question message, it's defaulted to black. If i wanted to use the same string
12:50:40 <Samu> which prints a message with something in yellow
12:50:54 <Samu> like STR_BEST_COMPANY_VALUE : Current most valuable company: {YELLOW}{COMPANY}{ORANGE} (Company {NUM})
12:51:13 <Samu> instead of {ORANGE}, i would use the {PREVIOUS_COLOUR}
12:51:21 <Samu> and it would go back to the default colour
12:51:45 <Samu> Orange in goal text, black in question text
12:59:50 <Samu> btw, for percentages, is it better to use {NUM}% or {COMMA}%? there is no consistency in how it's used in the official english.txt
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14:03:42 <Samu> class method is non-static
14:03:49 <Samu> local global_list_old = GSList.AddList(this.global_list);
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14:20:16 <Samu> I don't understand lists
14:21:05 <Samu> why does the items from the old list get the same values of the main list if I'm only changing the items of the main list?
14:22:41 <Samu> the old list is a copy of the main list before i made the changes
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14:57:35 <Samu> nevermind, i found a workaround
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15:17:21 <Samu> interesting, bool can have 3 modes in squirrel
15:24:41 <supermop_work_> Wolf01: updated spool
15:30:27 <Wolf01> I need a brick separator, now, at least 25 of them and no one shows up
15:32:27 <supermop_work_> went i got that detective office/barbershop one it came with one included
15:32:56 <supermop_work_> i guess they include them with the big sets? when i was a kid you had to order them from the catalog
15:32:58 <Wolf01> Yeah there's one on every >15€ set
15:33:11 <supermop_work_> the old grey one
15:34:03 <Wolf01> The problem is: they are on a box inside a box above the wardrobe... I'll kill myself trying to get that box down
15:34:58 <supermop_work_> you need to wear one around your neck as a pendant at all times
15:34:59 <Wolf01> Shit I forgot to take the cough medicinal
15:35:14 <Wolf01> Yes, I think I'll do so
15:39:45 <supermop_work_> get a gold one
15:42:02 <supermop_work_> wht's italian for brick?
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16:03:46 <Wolf01> <supermop_work_> wht's italian for brick? <- mattone, for lego is mattoncino (it's little)
16:04:47 <supermop_work_> is it mattoncina for a female minifig?
16:06:25 <supermop_work_> well lets start a campaign to make it so
16:08:44 <Wolf01> Minifigs are called the same in italian (minifigure)
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17:32:35 <Eddi|zuHause> uhm weird, there was a TF update, but the announcement only talks about macos?
17:34:54 <nielsm> I think that's all it is, too
17:35:22 <nielsm> but maybe it involved changes to some data files common between all builds, so it technically affected other platforms too
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19:00:08 <Wolf01> <Eddi|zuHause> uhm weird, there was a TF update, but the announcement only talks about macos? <- Yes, the code is shared and they fixed some mac os problems
19:06:08 <Samu> how do I check properties of a goal? l
19:06:31 <Samu> company id, rank, or value
19:11:29 <Samu> for example, before I use GSGoal.SetText
19:11:46 <Samu> I wanted to know if I need to actually update it, how would I do that
19:12:32 <Samu> want to avoid creating the exact same text, avoid an update
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19:36:11 <nielsm> huh, any suggestions why it isn't recognizing my original music set? the filenames and hashes should be right: http://0x0.st/sTZo.png
19:36:59 <nielsm> oh, because they should _not_ be in a dir named "gm"
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20:01:32 <supermop_work_> andythenorth: i caved and added haul to spool
20:02:50 <supermop_work_> my road trains are OP wrt HAUL hogs
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20:20:47 <Wolf01> o/ andythenorth, yes if you want, I'm defeated again by fever
20:21:35 <andythenorth> I had that last week
20:22:18 <Wolf01> Also I passed the entire afternoon counting and sorting the parts from the last order... lego gifted a lot of parts this time... like 33 more tiles and 22 more panels without any increased cost
20:23:14 <Wolf01> I should have something like 6 or 7€ of gifted parts
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20:33:35 <Samu> it's becoming hellish to me :(
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20:47:52 <nielsm> yes make a function that tests debug_messages and then logs if it's true, and call that instead
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21:02:01 <frosch123> looks like the chapter on loops
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22:04:44 <Samu> enable autism debug mode
22:05:05 <Samu> can't even follow my debug
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22:56:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe that when it actually happens
22:57:09 <supermop_work_> it seems like most people in the us do not like DST either, but there is too much inertia to get rid of it now
22:57:12 <Eddi|zuHause> but this vote is a bit too far removed from actually doing anything
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