IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2018-01-23
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00:10:22 <Samu> syntrans doesn't autorenew buses
00:12:22 <Samu> nevermind, he just started upgrading buses
00:17:13 <Samu> hmm some buses were not replaced... :(
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15:33:17 <iSoSyS> Yes, yes, I'm portuguese
15:33:49 <Samu> what do u do for OpenTTD :o
15:36:17 <iSoSyS> actually, I think I never contributed directly to openttd.
15:36:32 <iSoSyS> I just like to play the game :)
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15:49:32 <iSoSyS> and you? Are you a translator?
15:50:17 <Samu> sometimes, i translated about 5% of it,
15:51:05 <Samu> what i like to do most is test AIs
15:54:34 <iSoSyS> oh? Didn't know that was a thing. But, it makes sense
15:56:52 <Samu> i created some patches, but they're not really taken into much consideration
15:57:17 <Samu> then again, I am not a real coder
16:08:23 <Samu> 138 aircraft for 10 airports... :(
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16:50:51 <Samu> DictatorAI picks aircraft with the worst reliability
16:52:18 <Samu> nevermind, i don't get dictatorai choices
16:52:30 <Samu> dinger 100 for intercontinental airports?
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18:03:58 <Samu> looking for crash expert, to figure what happened
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18:34:50 <alluke> is there any tool that lets me open a newgrf and change one sprite and save?
18:36:25 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean grfcodec?
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18:40:34 <Borg> alluke: you need to decode grf... change whatever you want.. and encode it bacl
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19:08:38 <Samu> Exclusive Transport Rights Battle! Terron vs NoNoCAB
19:10:07 <alluke> cannot get it work on wine
19:10:14 <alluke> there isnt native mac version
19:16:33 <Eddi|zuHause> there's wineconsole, try that
19:22:51 <alluke> grfmaker cannot open grf files
19:24:28 <alluke> 1995 called and wanted its text interface back
19:27:20 <alluke> -bash: GRFCODEC: command not found
19:30:03 <alluke> doesnt recognize any commands
19:40:56 <supermop_work> grfcodec is gonna be worse than nmlc if you are worried about living in the 90s
19:42:12 <supermop_work> also my data scientist wife seems to spend all her time working in a 'nix terminal and she's younger than me
19:42:41 <supermop_work> so it's probably less outdated than someone's idea of a gui from many years ago
19:42:55 <debdog> terminals are great, I usually have at least four of them on my desktop
19:44:03 <alluke> theyre great when they work
19:44:31 <alluke> should i now dl 10 gb of dev tools to compile one binary
19:45:47 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27967 trunk/src/lang/portuguese.txt (2018-01-23 19:45:40 +0100 )
19:45:49 <DorpsGek> portuguese: 2 changes by Samu
19:47:03 <alluke> linux version doesnt run
19:47:13 <alluke> windows version runs on wine but doesnt accept any commands
19:48:48 <alluke> cannot set the grf file nor directory
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20:02:14 <LordAro> alluke: why doesn't it run?
20:02:31 <LordAro> (i.e. what is the error message)
20:02:48 <LordAro> and grfmaker has been broken for the better part of a decade
20:02:51 <alluke> says command not found
20:03:06 <LordAro> what do you suppose that means?
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20:03:12 <alluke> -bash: grfcodec: command not found
20:03:34 <alluke> typed in grfcodec -d mygrf.grf
20:04:15 <LordAro> and where is grfcodec executable?
20:04:24 <alluke> same folder as mygrf.grf
20:04:29 <Borg> not grfcodec... *nix systems doesnt have "." in PATH
20:04:29 <LordAro> Borg: teach a man to fish...
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20:04:49 <Samu> i'm trying to have 14 AIs competing using aircraft only
20:05:23 <Samu> towns are all cities, with 10x size multiplier
20:05:38 <alluke> -bash: /grfcodec: No such file or directory
20:06:10 <Samu> and thus windows was invented
20:06:59 <LordAro> alluke: grfcodec executable is not in the root directory
20:07:04 <LordAro> it is in the current directory
20:07:15 <LordAro> what Borg said was not typoed
20:08:05 <LordAro> alluke: no, system root
20:08:41 <Borg> ppl really should start using computers from command prompt..
20:08:44 <alluke> how is that possible on moder oses
20:08:46 <LordAro> alluke: let's go back a step
20:09:03 <Eddi|zuHause> alluke: so what do you think is the difference between /grfcodec and ./grfcodec?
20:09:20 <Borg> guys, I admire your patience.. really...
20:09:58 <LordAro> Borg: we were all new once
20:10:37 <Borg> yeah.. I spent shitload of time helping ppl on IRC.. in mid 90's
20:10:37 <Samu> c:\folder1\folder2\grfcodecfolder\grfcodec -d d:\folder3\folder4\folderwithmygrf\mygrf.grf
20:10:51 <Borg> its not the case.. now.. I see ppl barely want to learn
20:10:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Borg: the world never runs out of clueless people
20:11:01 <LordAro> alluke: more specifically, files beginning with '.' are "hidden" files
20:11:17 <alluke> that too for same reason
20:12:01 <Samu> '.' is the current dir for me :(
20:12:05 <LordAro> alluke: anyway, the bit of knowledge you're missing, "." refers to the current directory
20:12:15 <LordAro> (and ".." is the parent directory)
20:13:03 <Samu> i don't know what is bash though
20:13:08 <LordAro> and unlike windows, on linux "." is not (normally) used to find executables
20:13:30 <LordAro> so you have to specify the path to the executable
20:13:42 <alluke> all other unix binaries run and work fine from any folder
20:14:16 <LordAro> alluke: yes, because they're in /usr/bin, or /bin, or something
20:14:24 <LordAro> grfcodec is not in those places
20:14:24 <Alkel_U3> chapter 8 is the most relevant here
20:14:30 <LordAro> Samu: this is linux, not windows
20:15:16 <alluke> no they are not. one is currently running from my default downloads folder because i was too lazy to move it
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20:15:42 <Samu> i dunno how linux manages drives, or folders, they don't even make sense
20:16:15 <LordAro> what's the output of `echo $PATH` ?
20:16:36 <alluke> GRFCODEC * Copy it into your TTD directory * to decode a GRF file: grfcodec -d <grf-file> This will put a pcx file in a subdirectory called "sprites". It will also make a .NFO file that is needed to reconstruct the GRF file.
20:17:14 <LordAro> that is not what i judt ast asked
20:17:20 <LordAro> Samu: linux, not windows
20:17:40 <LordAro> although last i checked, windows does have a $PATH variable
20:18:05 <supermop_work> is there an openttd for actual dos?
20:18:20 <LordAro> i think win9x still builds...
20:18:27 <Samu> C:\Users\José>echo %path% C:\Windows\system32;C:\Windows;C:\Windows\System32\Wbem;C:\Windows\System32\Wind owsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static
20:18:41 <LordAro> Samu: ah yes, that's how you do it on windows
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20:20:33 <Samu> what's the equivalient of a C: drive in linux?
20:21:49 <Borg> its not that easy I think
20:21:55 <LordAro> assumign C: is the boot drive
20:21:58 <Borg> nothing stops u to have system drive as D:
20:22:12 <alluke> @andythenorth how did you manage to run grfcodec on wine?
20:22:20 <LordAro> Borg: now what is the equivalent of C:\Windows ? :p
20:22:31 <andythenorth> alluke: can't remember
20:22:34 <Alkel_U3> or echo $ENV:PATH :-)
20:23:07 <alluke> do you use mac compiled version nowadays?
20:23:23 <LordAro> alluke: since you're apparently not interesting in learning, you want "./grfcodec -d mygrf.grf", running from the directory grfcodec executable is in
20:23:23 <andythenorth> I do not remember ever using wine
20:23:25 <alluke> would you mind sharing it please?
20:23:53 <alluke> @LordAro tried that, it seems that its some fail in wine and not grfcodec itself
20:24:08 <LordAro> alluke: ... you've been trying this in wine the whole time?
20:24:10 <Eddi|zuHause> <supermop_work> is there an openttd for actual dos? <-- there used to be a dosbox, but it was unclear whether that only ever ran in a dosbox or actual real dos
20:24:18 <Samu> mygrf.grf must be in the same dir, right?
20:24:21 <LordAro> an actual terminal window, please
20:24:27 <andythenorth> I don't know how I get grfcodec
20:24:28 <LordAro> Samu: unless you specify the path
20:24:37 <andythenorth> probably I just compile it, dunno
20:24:46 <LordAro> path/to/executable/mygrf.grf
20:25:04 <Samu> yeah, kinda like in windows... sucks to get all the correct path names for these kind of programs
20:25:21 <alluke> you have the compiled binary on your computer
20:25:42 <LordAro> Samu: you can get linux subsystem for windows these days, i'd recommend playing around with it
20:26:16 <Borg> oh right.. if you have Win10 ? right?
20:26:16 <Samu> screw command line programs!
20:26:59 <Borg> CTCP VERSION reply from Samu: qwebirc v0.92
20:27:09 <Borg> at least you are consistent
20:27:17 <alluke> @LordAro i dont have the dev tools required for compiling shit myself
20:28:49 <Samu> I use microsoft visual studio c++ whatever 2015, whatever the name
20:28:53 <LordAro> alluke: there's nothing in that download you have to compile yourself
20:29:19 <alluke> only windows and linux binaries exist
20:29:56 <alluke> ill just make request thread on the forums and hope somebody is kind enough to share their mac binary
20:30:04 <Samu> and tortoise something to get trunks
20:30:20 <Samu> not familiar with terminology
20:30:29 <LordAro> why on earth did you not say you were on mac?
20:30:51 <supermop_work> man i am so bored
20:31:05 <LordAro> supermop_work: teach Samu how linux works
20:31:12 <LordAro> i'd imagine that'll take a few hours
20:31:18 <supermop_work> LordAro: ok first teach me
20:31:29 <supermop_work> never really used it myself
20:31:40 <supermop_work> wife usually just uses osx
20:31:40 <Alkel_U3> LordAro: after I saw how WSL fares with running daemons and does kinda surprising stuff I don't think I'd recommend it to somebody as the first contact. Cygwin is still less painful IMHO
20:31:43 <Samu> no, i dont want linux. The linux thatI remember gave me nightmares
20:32:34 <supermop_work> i fried my tolerance for drawing restaurant details by working til late at night on it over the past 5 days
20:32:55 <Samu> back in the day of floppy drives, I had no idea how to save my work on it, on a linux system
20:33:14 <supermop_work> now im just staring at this ceiling plan and re-positioning lights feels like walking in lead boots
20:34:23 <Samu> there was no A: on linux
20:35:36 <andythenorth> alluke: just compile grcodec
20:35:50 <Borg> andythenorth: yeah.. right.. like its easy.. ;)
20:36:04 <Borg> like there is button to press: compile grfcodec
20:36:25 <Borg> andythenorth: does MAC come w/ all tools preinstalled?
20:36:27 <LordAro> i've never used it in anger myself
20:36:36 <Borg> also.. u need to type it in terminal.. ;)
20:37:04 <andythenorth> if one can't compile grfcodec, one has no business trying to write bytecode
20:37:29 <Borg> well.. for me it is.. but novdays.. linux distros went in that direction too.. like windows... they install binary stuff only.. no headers.. no libs.. no compilers..
20:37:37 <andythenorth> that might be pot->kettle, not sure I could compile grfcodec when I started
20:39:54 <andythenorth> anyway, install xcode, install anything from ports try, compile, then install or symlink or add to path
20:39:57 <Samu> the aircraft competition vs 13 other AIs
20:40:50 <alluke> btw the heqs foundtr transporters cannot carry other metals than steel in steeltown
20:41:41 <andythenorth> seems reasonable
20:41:44 <andythenorth> HEQS is dead / done
20:41:55 <andythenorth> it no longer has a maintainer
20:42:02 <andythenorth> unless you can persuade Eddi|zuHause to patch it again
20:42:41 <supermop_work> andythenorth: i've been playing a good 1980s 128x128 steeltown game lately
20:43:07 <andythenorth> nope my keyboard is broken again
20:43:11 <andythenorth> mac keyboards no longer work
20:43:27 <andythenorth> computer costs 200% more than similar brands
20:43:29 <andythenorth> but keys don't work
20:43:35 <andythenorth> don't buy a mac laptop
20:44:00 <andythenorth> after 20 years of mac use, I no longer recommend
20:44:07 <Samu> SimpleAI was the first to 200 aircraft
20:44:19 <andythenorth> I am considering abandoning computers
20:44:25 <supermop_work> andythenorth: has jony made a rose mbp yet?
20:44:32 <Borg> andythenorth: da fuck? :D what made u think so?
20:44:40 <Borg> andythenorth: u know that im using atm?
20:44:58 <LordAro> all software is awful, tbf
20:45:00 <Borg> im on workstation.. running Win2003 :)
20:45:07 <LordAro> i can certainly sympathise
20:45:16 <supermop_work> does openttd run on apple watch?
20:45:24 <LordAro> Borg: and youbare a bad person and you deserve the botnet you ar epart of
20:45:34 <andythenorth> the icon probably works on watch
20:45:36 <Borg> LordAro: botnet?! nuhauhauha...
20:45:51 <Borg> LordAro: first.. im double firewalled..
20:45:59 <Borg> Linux GW.... WIPFW on workstation
20:46:02 <supermop_work> my new boss takes phonecalls on his apple watch
20:46:11 <supermop_work> like he's dick fucking tracy
20:46:13 <Borg> second.. I have other stuff runing here.. to take care of my security
20:46:28 <LordAro> Borg: yes, becausr that's good practice
20:46:38 <supermop_work> sorry if your kids're about
20:47:29 <Borg> and im happy running it.. its fast.. its under my control...
20:47:52 <Borg> the only problem is.... software slowly start to not here.. as more and more shit gets compiled for Win7+
20:49:00 <supermop_work> andythenorth: i fear that ive has too much nfluence at apple these days
20:50:13 <alluke> @andythenorth were the foundtry transporters coded to use cargo labels like dump trucks do?
20:50:38 <supermop_work> ive is the type of designer that can produce sublime work when forced into layers and layers of constraints by engineers and a savy boss, but once running things himself tends towards faux loosian indulgent nonsense
20:52:03 <supermop_work> kind of love that i have nfc who designs pixel
20:52:40 <supermop_work> the design is fine, the design is important, but the designer is not
20:54:24 <Borg> hmm FIRS 3.0 uses passengers to boost production?
20:54:31 <supermop_work> all that said, wife has decided to buy another mbp
20:54:33 <Borg> Just idea came in w/ a friend.. playing on server...
20:54:47 <Borg> that all industry needs passengers.. to produce anything..
20:54:49 <supermop_work> we can use the usb C charger to charge our pixels....
20:55:05 <Borg> probably hard to do w/ factory
20:55:11 <supermop_work> the little strip thing is so dumb though
20:55:15 <Borg> as its already uses all 3 cargo slots
20:56:11 <supermop_work> Borg: it does not, but mczapkie has a firs 2 fork that does
20:56:24 <Borg> so needs to be splited to 2 factories then..
20:56:48 <supermop_work> spi is another firs 2 fork that does
20:57:09 <Borg> yeah.. I know it.. stockpile industries
20:58:48 <Borg> would make kinda hard.. to start... interesting
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21:15:05 <Borg> Samu: if you like to play w/ AI... start writing one yourself?
21:15:09 <Borg> also.. take a look at Grobots.
21:15:13 <Borg> its barely alive.. but fun.
21:15:43 <Samu> hmm me writing an ai, hmm
21:16:02 <Samu> more likely to copy paste from others and call it my ai lol
21:18:08 <andythenorth> alluke: they probably use labels
21:22:34 <andythenorth> Samu: write an AI that is NRT aware, and use it for regressions on the NRT fork
21:22:47 <andythenorth> Wolf01: I wondered if next step is to allow overbuilding any town road
21:23:01 <andythenorth> working very atomically
21:23:14 <andythenorth> I stand more chance of being able to help with the code if we break it into tiny steps
21:23:26 <andythenorth> I can barely assemble complex stuff in python
21:26:03 <Wolf01> road_cmd.cpp -> CmdConvertRoad
21:27:46 <andythenorth> seems CheckAllowRemoveRoad also might need considered
21:27:53 <andythenorth> unless overbuilding town takes ownership
21:29:21 <Wolf01> Let convert only normal roads, not station tiles? Convert station tiles too?
21:31:06 <andythenorth> I would assume stations
21:31:06 <andythenorth> but testing a crude patch is better than arguing it out :)
21:31:21 <Wolf01> L2323 if (owner != OWNER_NONE) { <- add OWNER_TOWN
21:31:22 <andythenorth> stations I think are fiddly
21:31:44 <andythenorth> if the station was built on a non-ROAD roadtype, it will have an owner
21:31:50 <andythenorth> if it was built as part of tram, converting is fine
21:31:54 <supermop_work> currently you can build stations to convert town roads
21:32:21 <supermop_work> its one way to try to get some trolleybus wires up in towns
21:32:41 <Wolf01> Too bad it doesn't work for crossings :D
21:33:21 <supermop_work> in tto you could destroy a non-owned road if you build a level crossing over it
21:33:44 <Wolf01> Yes, competitors roads too iirc
21:34:06 <Samu> WormAI is slowly approaching first place in profits
21:34:07 <supermop_work> but i agree with andy, what exactly is/should be allowed is less important that just picking someting and testing it
21:34:18 <supermop_work> afterall that's the whole point of nrt
21:35:11 <Samu> and i think rail tile type
21:36:56 <Eddi|zuHause> <supermop_work> in tto you could destroy a non-owned road if you build a level crossing over it <-- unfortunately the AI tended to build weird circles when it couldn't find a route, and you can't put rails onto crossings or curves
21:37:21 <Eddi|zuHause> so you had no way of removing those abominations
21:37:31 <Eddi|zuHause> and the AI never removed roads
21:37:38 <supermop_work> Eddi|zuHause: maybe it was a defense mechanism
21:38:01 <Eddi|zuHause> it mostly happened around diagonal rails
21:38:12 <Wormnest> Samu: That good to know :)
21:38:14 <Eddi|zuHause> because it couldn't bridge over them
21:38:15 <Samu> Terron is current number 1
21:38:27 <Samu> did u look at screenshot link?
21:38:37 <Eddi|zuHause> and tunnels were too advanced
21:39:01 <Samu> WormAI has rised to number 2
21:39:08 <Samu> SimpleAI dropped to number 3
21:40:05 <Wormnest> Well WormAI is not the fastest starter but is good in the long run
21:40:51 <Samu> it's gonna be tough to beat Terron
21:41:08 <Samu> he's at 180 aircraft, wormai is at 194, and the limit is 200
21:41:17 <Samu> i don't think it will make it
21:41:43 <Wormnest> WormAI tries to optimize things when it´s close to the limit
21:42:12 <Wormnest> Meaning sell aircraft that have the lowest profits and buy ones for other routes
21:43:39 <Samu> it's a fight between AirTaxi A33 and Bakewell Lucket LB-11 from what i see
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21:46:43 <andythenorth> ok I made an assert happen
21:46:55 <Samu> Terron with AirTaxi A33 (220p, 20m, 100% reliability) versus WormAI with their Bakewell Luckett LB-11 (230p, 25m, 91% reliablity)
21:47:14 <Wolf01> andythenorth: L2347 too
21:47:14 <andythenorth> Message: Assertion failed at line 113 of NotRoadTypes/src/core/pool_type.hpp: index < this->first_unused
21:47:51 <Eddi|zuHause> the good news is that you're using a debug build
21:48:05 <andythenorth> I'm glad supermop_work made that grf :P
21:49:02 <Eddi|zuHause> so... some game works in wine-staging 2.20, but not in wine 3.0
21:49:07 <andythenorth> unspooled I think
21:49:07 <andythenorth> grfs are all alike to me :P
21:49:11 <Eddi|zuHause> what feature is missing?
21:49:23 <andythenorth> 'compatibility' ?
21:49:33 <andythenorth> Wolf01: that's done then? :P
21:49:40 <Eddi|zuHause> also, neither of those actually manage to run the game in DX11 mode
21:50:12 <Wolf01> andythenorth: could be, but you need to check if the road has the right owner
21:51:00 <andythenorth> yeah currently I can overbuild other people's roads
21:51:08 <andythenorth> testing by switch companies
21:55:47 <Samu> Terron still leading, but WormAI is close
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22:04:17 <Samu> hmm wormAI has some Dinger 1000 mixed with the LB-11
22:04:46 <Samu> terron still using AirTaxi A33 on all 200
22:06:10 <Samu> an aircraft crash for Terron!
22:06:29 <Samu> that might be the opportunity for WormAI to get ahead
22:08:57 <Samu> yeah, wormai is current number 1
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22:11:14 <Samu> meanwhile, NoNoCAB isn't doing that well
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22:14:08 <Samu> Clueless seemed strong, but i dunno what happened to it
22:14:31 <Samu> the dark blue is simpleAI
22:17:11 <Samu> terron is ahead again :(
22:17:15 <Wormnest> It probably doesn´t do much when it reaches the aircraft limit
22:19:42 <Borg> really.. OpenTTD pathfinder takes me sometimes by suprise..
22:20:33 <Samu> A sudden rise of AdmiralAI, beware...he seems to be going straight to number 1, let's see
22:20:34 <Borg> two paths.. basicaly the same... yet trains preffer to do crossing to switch.. da fuck
22:22:16 <Borg> it worked well.. and suddenly.. trains started to prefer other track.. like other got damaged or sth..
22:22:22 <Borg> no changes were made to tracks
22:24:13 <Borg> I really miss cost calculation debug tool....
22:26:00 <Borg> anyone want to take a look?
22:28:39 <Borg> city made a road to the track
22:28:44 <Borg> so there is road crossing
22:29:23 <Borg> lets RTFS.. maybe yapf.rail_crossing_penalty will fix it
22:32:27 <Samu> Syntrans is doing a "FULL UPGRADE"... Yate Haugan to Dinger 1000
22:32:53 <Samu> stops all aircraft one by one
22:33:02 <Samu> don't these guys ever heard of autoreplace?
22:33:28 <Borg> yeah.. this fixed the issue
22:37:53 <Samu> AdmiralAI is getting real close to being number 2
22:38:24 <Samu> seems that everybody is switching to Dinger 200 / 1000
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22:44:08 <Eddi|zuHause> 100 is a better value
22:44:41 <Eddi|zuHause> also, you can forbid towns to build crossings
22:49:03 <Borg> Eddi|zuHause: nah. I dont care if trains will masacre busses ;D
22:49:41 <Borg> there is no reason why we should avoid crossings.. just breaks my pathfinder... :)
22:51:12 <Samu> Syntrans is still upgrading his entire fleet :(
22:52:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Borg: still to treat it like a normal rail tile it should be 100
22:56:51 <Samu> Terron is mass selling stuff... hmmm i wonder why
22:57:30 <Samu> meanwhile, AdmiralAI takes 2nd place, really close to number 1
22:59:44 <Borg> but in OneTileCost() I see cost=0
23:01:17 <Borg> yapf.rail_curve45_penalty = 100
23:01:28 <Borg> also. I think curve45 is more annoying that crossing
23:01:41 <Borg> so 0 seems better after all imo
23:02:07 <Samu> the penalty is added together with others
23:02:23 <Borg> so to ignore crossing at all. it should be 0
23:02:59 <Samu> holy crap, AdmiralAI is number 1
23:05:33 <Samu> weird SynTrans finally managed to put all Dinger 1000's running
23:05:48 <Samu> and i dunno wtf is happening to Terron
23:06:43 <Wormnest> Oh well still doing good anyway Admiral is a good one too
23:07:04 <Samu> omg, SynTrans is skyrocketing yet again, really close to 2nd place
23:08:26 <Samu> TracAI 3rd place was short-lived
23:10:47 <Samu> looking at Terron log, he appears to be changing from AirTaxi A33 to Dinger 200
23:12:17 <Samu> After years of decreases, Clueless has an increase
23:15:37 <Samu> forget it, Clueless went ahead
23:15:53 <Samu> Clueless is now closer to TracAI
23:23:47 <Samu> SynTrans didn't have what it takes to get number 2 :( still number 3, clueless is the new number 4
23:24:33 <Samu> and SynTrans just reached 200 aircraft
23:28:31 <Wormnest> You sound like a radio reporter for a sports game :p
23:30:08 <Samu> Trans method of building an airport is something like "try placing it in every tile around the town until it succeeds!"
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23:35:11 <Samu> AdmiralAI reaches 200 aircraft
23:36:01 <Samu> Terron is down to 93 aircraft, i really don't get this AI
23:36:52 <Samu> he's great, but suddenly starts doing weird stuff and leaves me baffled :(
23:38:03 <ST2> [22:28:29] <Wormnest> You sound like a radio reporter for a sports game :p <<-- someday Samu will understand that each AI has code lines saying what todo - till now appears Samu looks at them like human players xD
23:38:34 <Samu> meh, terron code is 1 MB
23:39:47 <ST2> 1 MB of code isn't that small - specially when you make it
23:40:03 <ST2> saw a suggestion above to you make an AI ^^
23:42:16 <Samu> I would slap code from others together and make them run as one
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