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00:05:14  <Wormnest> Needs an extra != null check before using it in a function

00:08:07  <Samu> uh... well, i can't code

00:10:09  <Samu> even if i could, i'm unable to upload the fixed code to bananas

00:10:18  <Samu> the online downloader stuff

00:12:34  <Samu> heliferry has begun!

00:12:45  <Samu> replacing teshinet

00:12:55  <Samu> a bit too late to the party though

00:13:37  <Wormnest> It´s gpl2 you can release it under a new name

00:14:28  <Samu> Chopper vs Helifery should be fun to watch

00:14:46  <Samu> oh, but that's what I don't want to do

00:15:01  <Samu> i wanted to upload under Teshinet, if I was able to fix it

00:15:25  <Samu> not creating another teshinet clone :(

00:15:37  <Wormnest> Contact the author on the forum if he wants to transfer ownership

00:15:56  <Samu> erm, im not even sure i can fix it :o

00:16:44  <Wormnest> Oh well too bad then

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00:18:40  <Samu> i'm not confident enough to do such a thing :|

00:18:51  <Samu> of my abilities

00:20:56  <Wormnest> Problem also being that then you would be responsible for keeping the ai up to date

00:21:09  <ST2> we, at BTPro, use ~12 plugins, and a couple of them are 5K+ code lines - only to give commands in servers and so on

00:21:29  <ST2> sadly no time to go into AI's - already too much to mantain :S

00:21:55  <ST2> and that's why I admire all work people put on AI's and GS's :)

00:22:06  <Wormnest> Even though in most cases ai crashes are fairly simple to fix

00:22:36  <Wormnest> But lots of little things together and it gets out of hand fast :p

00:22:48  <ST2> yeah xD

00:23:39  <ST2> I think Samu is testing all AI's to see what are the best with RV's, planes, trains and ships

00:23:46  <Wormnest> I have local fixes for a few ais but what´s the use posting it nobody will use it unless its on bananas

00:23:58  <ST2> later he'll build a major AI using the best parts of each one xD

00:24:11  <Samu> yeah

00:24:20  <Samu> that was the plan, lol

00:24:32  <Wormnest> And then he will notice that slapping things together doesn´t necessarily make it the best ai

00:24:55  <ST2> amen to that Wormnest :)

00:25:17  <Samu> behave like you're AdmiraAI now, for xx ticks

00:25:28  <Samu> now behave like you're... AIAI

00:25:31  <Samu> lel

00:26:05  <ST2> well, a couple IF's and ELSES would do the trick xD

00:26:55  <Wormnest> But you only want the good parts of an ai but usually the less good parts are not easy to cut out without changing the whole ai workings

00:27:43  <Samu> CluelessPlus is calling its aircraft of buses

00:28:31  <Wormnest> That sentence doesnt make sense to me

00:28:50  <Samu> CluelessPlus log

00:29:21  <Samu> seems that he slapped aircraft support on top of his bus code

00:29:45  <ST2> btw Samu: next time we organize a Tourny, can I invite you to join... only to report each player's actions with the same enthusiasm?

00:29:46  <ST2> xD

00:30:06  <Samu> erh... they don't have a log to read :(

00:30:26  <ST2> there's always the Watch Window - even better xD

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12:34:59  <Samu> hello

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15:12:21  <supermop_work> yo

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19:52:57  <Samu> hello

19:53:09  <Samu> where is alberth? :(

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20:00:15  <andythenorth> @seen alberth

20:00:15  <DorpsGek> andythenorth: alberth was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 3 hours, 27 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <Alberth> o/

20:01:46  <supermop_work> hi andy

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20:03:12  <andythenorth> lo mop

20:03:18  <Samu> gonna start dissecting the "large airplane on short runway" patch into smaller patch pieces for commit or whatever

20:03:37  <Samu> for alberth, if he's still interested

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20:14:11  <supermop_work> i think i need to get rid of road trains

20:18:36  <supermop_work> also steeltown makes me want better foundry transports, and trams with ladles for slag and metal

20:20:20  <andythenorth> +1

20:20:27  <andythenorth> going to do that in Road Hog...eventually

20:20:44  <andythenorth> need an NRT conclusion first

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20:38:20  <supermop_work> i end up using my little industrial trams as belts

20:38:34  <supermop_work> to abuse station ratings

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20:48:13  <andythenorth> yup

20:56:31  <supermop_work> with only the open wagons they feel a bit silly for some uses, but i already have such an explosion of vehicles

20:57:11  <Samu> i don't know how to make a patch-chain

20:57:54  <Samu> i can't tell tortoisesvn to create a patch against trunk, but to create it against my work, how do i do this

20:59:57  <Samu> branch/tag?

21:00:04  <Samu> who's familiar with tortoise?

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21:04:56  <john-aj> perhaps you could use a separate tool? like `diff'

21:05:30  <Samu> diff? hmm ok

21:05:31  <Samu> let me try

21:05:34  <LordAro> Samu: svn isn't good at patch queues

21:05:53  <john-aj> are you on windows? i don't know what tools there are there

21:05:53  <LordAro> you'll likely want something like hg or git

21:06:24  <john-aj> yeah, i'd recommend that too :-)

21:07:22  <Samu> tortoisegit?

21:07:30  <LordAro> (helpfully for you, tortoisehg & tortoisegit also exist)

21:08:47  <Samu> i'm so screwed

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21:16:38  <andythenorth> I am bored of tanks

21:18:12  <supermop_work> world of trams

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22:22:11  <Samu> LordAro: hi again, which one is easier for a noob like me? tortoisehg or tortoisegit?

22:24:11  <LordAro> that is a very good question

22:24:22  <LordAro> for ottd, it's almost entirely subjective

22:24:35  <LordAro> mercurial is probably on the easier side

22:24:37  <LordAro> probably

22:24:59  <Samu> mercurial?

22:25:08  <Samu> tortoisemercurial?

22:25:09  <LordAro> hg

22:25:21  <LordAro> you'll really want to do some reading first

22:25:29  <LordAro> as much as i know you're resistant to doing so

22:25:51  <Samu> oh Hg from chemistry

22:26:23  <Samu> yeah, reading kinda sucks, unless it goes straight to the point

22:26:54  <Samu> alright, installing tortoisehg, brb

22:29:09  <LordAro> turns out that learning involves knowing more than just very specific things

22:29:39  <Samu> do i need tortoisesvn installed prior? or it's standalone?

22:29:53  <Samu> whatever, i'm installing it

22:30:07  <Samu> if shit happens i can always restore

22:30:35  <LordAro> you don't even know what hg is, do you?

22:31:05  <Samu> something that let's me patch stuff better, i guess

22:31:05  <LordAro> seriously, just a cursory glance at some documentation would make things orders of magnitude easier for you

22:31:29  <supermop_work> this is taking me back to 2010 when i accidentally somehow fucked my registry by blindly installing tortoise stuff

22:31:38  <supermop_work> with no understanding

22:31:45  <LordAro> that does sound rather strange

22:32:13  <supermop_work> as the computer was 5 years old i eventually just bought a new computer, and last i checked, that laptop is still kind of fucked

22:32:22  <Samu> must restart windows, k brb

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22:32:37  <LordAro> this is not going to go well for him

22:32:41  <LordAro> a guarantee it

22:32:52  <LordAro> ah well

22:33:25  <ST2> well, soon to expect an explosion of questions about hg xD

22:34:09  <supermop_work> well probably he wont go as far as needing to buy a new computer at least

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22:34:26  <Samu> re

22:36:16  <john-aj> mercurial is good, but for someone who doesn't seem to know what a version control system even is, i'd suppose that git is a better option, just because it's more popular

22:37:31  <john-aj> probably more documentation that's easier to grasp

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22:39:44  <LordAro> yeah, could've gone either way really

22:41:12  <Samu> erm, apparently i need to clone something

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22:42:26  <Samu> alright, time to go read wtf tortoise hg is for

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22:50:01  <Samu> that's it, i have no idea what I just installed lol

22:50:28  <Samu> looks like i still need tortoise svn to download a repository? that I can clone with tortoise hg?

22:50:38  <Samu> am i saying something stupid?

22:50:43  <LordAro> not entirely

22:50:58  <LordAro> http://hg.openttd.org/trunk.hg/ try this instead

22:51:44  <Samu> how do i download that into my computer?

22:52:40  <Samu> ok gonna try

22:52:51  <LordAro> broadly similarly to how you "downloaded" the svn checkout onto your computer

22:53:05  <Samu> https://hg.openttd.org/trunk.hg/archive/tip.zip

22:53:13  <LordAro> no

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22:53:50  <LordAro> https://www.mercurial-scm.org/wiki/QuickStart read this

22:53:55  <Samu> oki

22:54:01  <LordAro> http://tortoisehg.readthedocs.io/en/latest/quick.html then this

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22:59:27  <Samu> alright, seems more complicated than i thought

23:01:49  <Samu> damn brazillian portuguese GARBAGE...

23:02:09  <Samu> i hate it when they default programs to my sys language

23:02:37  <LordAro> i'd imagine it's a reasonable default

23:03:47  <Samu> en is much more easier

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23:07:45  <LordAro> Samu: well why not set it as your system language?

23:11:41  <Samu> i prefer my OS in portuguese, and some programs too, but not all, I don't like automatic decisions

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23:21:18  <Samu> i'm at 4.4 here and failing http://tortoisehg.readthedocs.io/en/latest/quick.html

23:21:29  <Samu> what files? the directory is completely empty

23:22:58  <LordAro> Samu: ah, i see

23:22:59  <Samu> well i have 1 file only

23:23:04  <Samu> .hgignore

23:23:05  <LordAro> you've created a brand new repo

23:23:07  <Samu> it's the only file i find

23:23:19  <Samu> size: 0

23:23:24  <Samu> yse

23:23:33  <LordAro> whereas you (probably) want to copy the existing openttd repo

23:24:05  <LordAro> get rid of that folder, and skip ahead to 4.8

23:24:08  <LordAro> (then go back to 4.4)

23:24:13  <Samu> oh, so that's it, ok

23:25:24  <Samu> i knew i shouldn't have uninstalled tortoise svn

23:25:42  <Samu> I have no trunk

23:25:52  <Samu> i thought this thing would fetch it on its own

23:26:01  <LordAro> uninstalling tortoisesvn shouldn't have removed anything

23:26:08  <LordAro> besides, it can fetch on its own

23:26:14  <LordAro> the documentation is a little unclear there

23:26:26  <LordAro> (just use the trunk.hg url above instead of a path)

23:26:59  <Samu> https://hg.openttd.org/trunk.hg/ ?

23:27:02  <Samu> let's see

23:28:11  <Samu> ah, nice nice

23:28:15  <Samu> it's doing magic now

23:28:32  <Samu> a Clone directly from https://hg.openttd.org/trunk.hg/

23:29:51  <Samu> wowah, this looks good

23:31:56  <Samu> what a welcoming message, a eints fix by me

23:31:59  <Samu> lel

23:32:35  <Samu> this is what I see so far

23:32:36  <Samu> https://imgur.com/abiCUyC

23:32:44  <Samu> now i go back to 4.4?

23:33:13  <LordAro> assuming you want to know how to add new files to the repo

23:33:27  <LordAro> i'd read the rest of the document before doing any more

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