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00:19:47 <Wormnest> yeah but leaving soon
00:20:41 <Samu> train speed goes at 600 km/h but is slowed down to 250 on those bridges
00:23:03 <Wormnest> Not sure maybe I´ll take a look tomorrow if I´m in the mood
00:31:11 <Samu> weird, is cargodist bugged?
00:31:32 <Samu> a train is trying to full load oil
00:32:54 <Samu> who's a cargodist expert?
00:33:00 <Samu> why isn't that train loading?
00:33:11 <Samu> this is on choochoo server
00:35:26 <Wormnest> The cargo wants to go directly to its destination but the train has the depot destination in between
00:36:50 <Samu> why would that be a problem? :(
00:37:22 <Samu> could it be the implicit order?
00:38:14 <Wormnest> It sees that as a different destination, the first via station that´s what it wants
00:39:02 <Wormnest> Not sure if the implicit order matters I would not think so
00:39:19 <Wormnest> But I´m not a cargodist expert at all
02:12:38 <ww> why lot of company end at the time 20171230 in reddit server 1 game
02:13:36 <ST2> maybe you can ask on their channel, type /join #/r/openttd
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11:37:49 <Alberth> org.apache.commons.text
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12:54:29 <Borg> wow.. I like this idea... simple and interesting..
12:54:54 <Borg> is anything like that is going to be implemented?
13:00:25 <Borg> also its weird that stopped trains cancel thet load/unload stuff
13:00:31 <Borg> they should really finish what they are doing
13:01:40 <Alberth> there is a logic signals patch somewhere
13:01:51 <Alberth> but imho it's not simple
13:02:02 <Alberth> it is only simple if you know logic
13:02:11 <Alberth> otherwise it's deep black magic
13:02:50 <Alberth> also, I do stop trains with the purpose to stop loading :)
13:05:13 <Borg> Alberth: yeah I saw it..
13:05:25 <Borg> I know programming but I feel its not good idea to put such stuff into game
13:05:33 <Borg> so I like this one with GUI and linked signals much better
13:05:41 <Borg> u can also use them as blockers
13:05:50 <Borg> so 0 linked signals.. and manual toggle them red/green
13:05:56 <Borg> to temporaily disable paths
13:06:15 <Borg> or u can use basic logic... sounds fun...
13:06:31 <Borg> too bad... patch seems to be abandomned
13:07:47 <Borg> and why the fuck openttd still uses SVN :(
13:12:01 <Alberth> there is a hg and git mirror
13:12:21 <Borg> well, mirror... I rather ask why official one is on SVN..
13:13:05 <Alberth> some systems in openttd like incrementing numbers with newer versions
13:14:09 <Alberth> but why is the used VCS for committers a problem to you?
13:15:11 <Borg> well... maybe is a bit.. if I wanted to start working on OpenTTD ;)
13:15:12 <Alberth> also, git has no option to do partial checkouts
13:15:39 <Alberth> there are like 3 or 4 projects in the repo
13:15:50 <Borg> I also guess.. GFX is kept there too
13:16:21 <Alberth> only some for the new parts that are not in the original CD set
13:16:34 <Alberth> devzone is the home of opengfx base set
13:17:01 <Borg> Alberth: that GIT repo is synced daily with trunk?
13:17:29 <Alberth> git.openttd.org? with every commit I think
13:17:48 <Alberth> hg.openttd.org is, at least
13:19:01 <Borg> it seems its synced.. ok :)
13:19:21 <Borg> lets see how long it will take to clone it :>
13:19:53 <Alberth> no insanely huge binary blobs, should be fine :)
13:20:29 <Borg> ahh Compressing objects now... argh ;]
13:20:45 <Borg> git ownz for text.... but for binary... crap :)
13:21:28 <Alberth> it's just source code
13:21:43 <Borg> wow! its smaller :) compression
13:21:48 <Borg> Receiving objects: 100% (178237/178237), 57.51 MiB | 1.14 MiB/s, done.
13:22:11 <Borg> so.. who needs partial checkouts ;)
13:22:19 <Alberth> git just loves showing useless numbers
13:22:47 <Borg> but everyone loves stats
13:23:18 <Borg> anyway.. back to that logic signal patch.. looks interesting..
13:23:37 <Alberth> seems quite complete and up-to-date-ish
13:24:41 <Borg> hmm u sure? its from 2013...
13:24:41 <Alberth> it has new-style window widget tree
13:25:09 <Borg> lets see if it can apply to trunk
13:25:28 <Alberth> rail and signals is not changed often
13:27:06 <Borg> but some rejects here and there.. lets see
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13:27:55 <Alberth> did you check for other patch files in that thread?
13:28:01 <Alberth> maybe there is a newer one
13:28:27 <Alberth> by convention, the first post contains, but only if the original author is still around
13:30:17 <Borg> hope the file in first post is most up to day
13:32:06 <Borg> well.. those .rej are trivials.. so it could even compile
13:32:17 <Borg> I wonder if there is someone interested in pickint that up :)
13:35:00 <Alberth> I wouldn't be surprised if a patchpack already has it
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13:41:54 <Borg> I only found List of Patches
13:43:07 <Alberth> development forum, JGR patchpack is most used currently, I think
13:43:22 <Alberth> it has no link to his repo at the first page?
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13:44:54 <Borg> Alberth: no, its just .diff attached
13:45:02 <Borg> oh.. routing restrictions.. another patch
13:49:43 <Borg> uh.. shitload of patches :)
14:00:40 <Borg> seems I need to prepare mingw build environment
14:00:50 <Borg> and apply some interesting patches :)
14:19:48 <Samu> i have a question about cargodist
14:22:42 <Alberth> I can't quite read the orders, it helps if you make images as small as possible
14:23:04 <Alberth> but I assume the same station as listed in the station window is in its list?
14:23:27 <Alberth> how far away is that destination?
14:24:03 <Alberth> how recently did you change orders or tracks or some station near there?
14:24:47 <Alberth> cargodist not only has a final destination, it also has the entire route
14:25:15 <Alberth> cargo for one route is different from cargo for another route, even if the final destination is the same
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14:57:00 <Samu> you can zoom in by clicking on the image
14:58:41 <Samu> the train is trying to full load oil at Bruningwell East, which has 2,323m3 oil in the station
15:00:06 <Samu> order 1 is Go to Bruningwell East (Full load any cargo)
15:00:28 <Samu> order 2 is Service at Bruningwell Train Depot
15:00:40 <Samu> order 3 is Go to Bruningwell East (Implicit)
15:01:03 <Samu> order 4 is Go to Minnley South
15:01:18 <Samu> order 5 is Service at Minnley Train Depot
15:01:54 <Wormnest> That´s what I said yesterday: The cargo is waiting for a train that has Minnley South as next destination
15:01:56 <Samu> the train is currently executing order 1, but no oil is being moved to the train
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15:02:43 <Alberth> what happens if you remove the service order?
15:03:06 <Samu> hmm no idea, got to find an autosave of it, brb
15:03:17 <Alberth> or use non-stop orders?
15:03:38 <Alberth> ie order 3 makes it a different route
15:04:59 <Alberth> or, for that matter, add a track around Bruningwell East, so it is not visited
15:05:36 <Alberth> not that any change will cause cargodist to recompute, which invalidates all orders
15:05:47 <Alberth> or rather invalidates all routed cargo
15:07:19 <Samu> i deleted order 2, train is still trying to full load
15:07:43 <Samu> i deleted order 3, and it started to load immediately
15:07:50 <Wormnest> or unload, service then load
15:07:57 <Samu> it was the implicit order causing trouble :(
15:08:22 <Alberth> cargodist takes all visited stations into account
15:08:51 <Samu> i dunno how the implicit order got there though
15:09:03 <Alberth> but you visit different stations along the way
15:09:09 <Wormnest> Then ChooChoo should make all orders non stop
15:09:14 <Alberth> which makes it different for cargo-dist
15:09:22 <Samu> choochoo makes all trains like this
15:09:39 <Samu> train 1 and 2 had this problem, train 3 and 4 had not, no implicit on these two
15:09:43 <Alberth> A -> B -> C and A -> D -> C are different routes, which each gets its cargo assigned
15:09:46 <Wormnest> Then post a bug report
15:10:09 <Samu> he builds exactly the same way
15:10:23 <Samu> why did the implicit show up on the first 2 trains and not on the other 2?
15:10:46 <Alberth> they didn't pass that station on the last cycle?
15:10:58 <Alberth> their orders are non-stop?
15:11:34 <Alberth> can you go around the station?
15:11:54 <Samu> there is a depot in front of the station, train goes there
15:12:02 <Samu> then comes back to the station
15:12:15 <Samu> it is marked as implicit at that time, i guess
15:12:25 <Samu> then goes to destination
15:12:39 <Alberth> implicit means it stops at the station, afaik
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15:13:35 <Samu> there is a bug somewhere with the implicit detection
15:14:27 <Samu> i tried to see if it could trigger the implicit order, and it didn't, train doesn't stop
15:14:53 <Alberth> if it goes to some station, but along the way it finds a platform, it stops at that platform if not non-stop orders
15:14:53 <Samu> it skips the stopping at the station after order 2
15:15:33 <Alberth> maybe you have interference of the train wanting service, so it skips stopping, and there is no implicit order added
15:15:41 <Samu> it didn't stop this time
15:16:06 <Alberth> so that's how you get some cycles with that station and some cycles without it
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15:16:19 <Samu> on the way back, it didn't stop on the station, it just went rigyht to destination, im failing to trigger this bug
15:16:23 <Alberth> for cargodist those are two different routes
15:16:52 <Alberth> and a train with route 1 won't get cargo for route 2, even if the destination is the same
15:16:55 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone with some shell-fu around here? i'd like to monitor the output of stderr, and kill the program if it outputs a certain line
15:17:36 <Samu> gonna try find the autosave where the implicit order first appeared, brb
15:17:41 <Eddi|zuHause> also, i'd like to timestamp lines
15:18:06 <Alberth> timestamp is even more tricky, due to buffering
15:19:07 <Alberth> simplest I can think of is to make a python program that starts the child with subprocess, catching the output
15:19:29 <Alberth> never tried it, but I'd assume you can send a signal to a child process
15:19:57 <LordAro> mm, i don't know of any easy shell foo for that
15:20:11 <LordAro> could do some echo & date combination to prepend a timestamp
15:20:34 <Alberth> maybe you can configure buffering before you setup the child?
15:21:50 <Samu> train was old, when it went to service, it was renewed
15:22:10 <Samu> when it came out as a brand new train, the implicit order got marked
15:22:41 <Samu> the bug is with autorenew vs implicit detection
15:23:13 <Alberth> the simple solution is not to rely on implicit stations
15:23:34 <Samu> there was never an implicit order
15:23:44 <Samu> it only poped up after being autorenewed
15:24:35 <Samu> and cargodist eventually picked that up
15:25:48 <Samu> is this worthy of a bug report?
15:28:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm leaning towards awk instead of python
15:28:26 <Eddi|zuHause> but i forgot everything about awk
15:28:58 <Samu> well, i'm gonna post a bug report, i believe it's buggy behaviour
15:29:31 <Samu> if it never marked it as implicit before autorenew, why would it mark it after renewal
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15:37:55 <Eddi|zuHause> so, it should be something like: awk '/match/{system("kill process")}'
15:38:17 <Eddi|zuHause> now i need the process number, and a way to listen to stderr
15:38:57 <Samu> anyway, choochoo script crashed
15:49:44 <Eddi|zuHause> alledgedly: "program 2> >(awk ...)"
15:54:40 <Samu> alright, no more choochoos
15:54:52 <Alberth> that doesn't kill the program
15:55:17 <Alberth> hmm, maybe by exiting awk if it finds a match
15:57:48 <Borg> damn damn.. I really miss those logic signals ;D
15:57:55 <Borg> hope one day it will go into trunk
15:59:32 <LordAro> why would SIGPIPE not do its job?
16:00:43 <LordAro> | sed '/^Finished: SUCCESS$/ q'
16:00:53 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: how would i use SIGPIPE?
16:01:07 <LordAro> you wouldn't, it's used by pipes automatically
16:01:19 <LordAro> default action is to terminate
16:01:34 <LordAro> the same way you only get 5 'y' with `yes | head -5`
16:03:36 <Samu> MpAI is doing weird things
16:04:11 <Samu> and once it finds, it places bus stations outside passenger range
16:04:47 <Eddi|zuHause> currently looking for suitible awk way of outputing date
16:08:34 <Eddi|zuHause> based on some stackoverflow: awk '{cmd="(date)"; cmd | getline d; print d,$0; close(cmd)}'
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16:15:23 <Eddi|zuHause> now, all the parts individually seem to work
16:25:50 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe adjust the date format a bit
16:42:23 <Borg> well.. after playing few days w/ stockpiling.. even on multiplayer...
16:42:28 <Borg> it plays definitly.. different..
16:42:56 <Borg> indeed more depth.. and u have to design network differently.. more spread..
16:43:06 <Borg> because, well.. u can overload industries..
16:43:25 <Borg> also.. having steel mill requiring coal make things harder :)
16:43:53 <Borg> if anyone want to jump in into my server to take a look :) just msg me
16:46:43 <Borg> network is delivering 42k cargo on 256x256 map :)
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17:56:47 <Alberth> net split, nothing to worry about
18:14:50 <RafiX> but I got a msg to identify again
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18:16:43 <Borg> RafiX: services splitted too
18:16:50 <Borg> LordAro: oh well freenode is worse..
18:16:56 <Borg> OFTC is best OSS network imo.. for now..
18:17:36 <Borg> freenode overdid it w/ deviating from RFC1459 too much imo
18:17:55 <Borg> but.. I might be fashioned ;) after all
18:24:12 <RafiX> dogecoin price is still going up
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19:05:03 <Samu> Wormnest: wormai builds bridges over town roads, and i mean, it crosses the entire town with a bridge
19:05:20 <Samu> is that intended? looks funny
19:07:35 <Alberth> why not? it's allowed
19:11:03 <Samu> from time to time, wormai places some airports a bit far from towns. it still gets passengers, but at a much lower rate
19:13:40 <Wormnest> Well the bridges are the shortest connection so yes it´s intended
19:20:07 <Wormnest> The other not sure but possibly because it was looking for the best place near Sonbourne Cross for an airport
19:32:38 <Samu> i wonder what would be the ideal settings for it
19:33:01 <Samu> the only thing keeping it alive is the aircraft
19:45:50 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27956 trunk/src/lang/spanish_MX.txt (2017-12-31 19:45:41 +0100 )
19:45:52 <DorpsGek> spanish (mexican): 16 changes by Absay
19:48:16 <Wormnest> mpAI was apparently a school project, it doesn´t seem to do much in the main loop
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