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00:15:14  <drac_boy> hi again :-)

00:15:22  <drac_boy> any interesting topic atm?

00:16:56  <ST2> hey drac_boy :)

00:17:05  <ST2> yup 1.7.2-RC1 ^^

00:17:43  <drac_boy> I meant beside game version releases? :-P

00:17:48  <drac_boy> and hi st2

00:18:30  <ST2> drac_boy: guess you're not on the W10 FCU angry team

00:18:47  <ST2> because 1.7.2-RC2 includes it

00:19:21  <drac_boy> what is fcu?

00:19:42  <ST2> Fall Creators Update (Windows 10 specific)

00:20:48  <ST2> the fix michi_cc made seems to work, and with retro compatibility

00:21:01  <ST2> creating a test server now for it ^^

00:22:12  <drac_boy> oh well st2 I'm not much of a windows person so ty for explaining what that 'w10 fcu' line was

00:22:19  <drac_boy> and angry = angry birds? :P

00:23:55  <ST2> drac_boy: guess you're not many around on biggest OpenTTD communities: ttdcoop, btpro, n-ice, reddit and so on

00:25:26  <drac_boy> I'll have to say that online my biggest place probably is just tt-forums as thats seemingly the only one place for both games to be talked at

00:25:28  <drac_boy> :)

00:25:35  <ST2> I'll assume drac_boy, that you use some linux distro

00:25:47  <drac_boy> (excluding that the forum has several other unrelated games mentioned near bottom too I know)

00:26:02  <ST2> yeah

00:26:06  <drac_boy> st2 part of the time .. pcdos equally as much other times

00:26:12  <ST2> but I'm an OpenTTD guy :P

00:27:10  <drac_boy> (actually yes I had wondered about 'lan' networking the two computers together for a funny 1-with-1 serial gameplay but so far not ever been really in the mood yet

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00:27:27  <drac_boy> st2 yeah np..the gameplay is very similar anyway so not too much to nitpick about

00:27:39  <ST2> and I'm part of BTPro team that tested this as it came out: http://openttd.btpro.nl/index.php/forum/8-moderator-applications/2965-moderator-re-appliance-lee14141#6244

00:27:56  <ST2> wrong link :(

00:28:16  <ST2> http://openttd.btpro.nl/index.php/forum/30-btpro-openttd-client-talk/2953-problems-panning-map-with-mouse-right-button#6246

00:28:16  <drac_boy> interesting site anyhow :)

00:28:19  <ST2> that one

00:28:50  <ST2> and I'll start a test server soon with 1.7.2-RC1

00:29:40  <drac_boy> just asking st2 but this btpro .. is it generic or newgrf gameplay?

00:30:25  <ST2> BTPro have 27 regular servers (some with newgrf's, others dnt use any)

00:30:37  <drac_boy> ah ok just curious

00:30:53  <ST2> 28th server is an admin testing a different server controller

00:31:13  <ST2> the 29th, will come up soon, to test 1.7.2-RC1 ^^

00:31:19  <drac_boy> and umm st2 just asking but let me take a wild guess..these 'some with' probably has these for the trainset? ukrs2/2cc/nars/nuts

00:32:26  <ST2> not on regular ones... now

00:33:07  <drac_boy> oh ok I kinda recall these for some reason were always picked out a lot .. but no comment :)

00:33:16  <ST2> we have some with road hog and night horse

00:33:45  * drac_boy never liked 2cc due to the weird choices (especially as some steam locomotives suddenly had a lot of hp for cheap at early online dates) aside to too-long buy menu etc .. but wouldn't say anything

00:34:04  <drac_boy> night horse? hmm night horse...haven't I heard of that before when it was just a paper idea...

00:34:10  * drac_boy goes to check what that was again

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00:34:39  <ST2> drac_boy: just filter MP list for BTPro

00:34:46  <ST2> that's our servers

00:35:07  <drac_boy> weird I thought there was a grf by that name..or it never progrssed...

00:35:47  <drac_boy> oh well road hog I do know what that is :)

00:36:14  <ST2> and don't know Iron Horse?

00:37:16  <drac_boy> ohhh .. iron not night horse .. meeeh :p

00:37:31  <ST2> cmon drac_boy ^^

00:38:23  <ST2> drac_boy: how frequently you play online?

00:39:36  <drac_boy> not at all for quite a good part of 2017 tbh

00:40:16  <ST2> so, if I may ask, what OS you have/use?

00:43:48  <drac_boy> for quite a long time its been freebsd, macos, pcdos-2001, proteus in their own ratios

00:44:37  <ST2> and, you been playing SP games only or some MP games too?

00:45:09  <ST2> (of OpenTTD, I mean... and which version ^^)

00:45:49  <drac_boy> hm can't recall what openttd wa son but I recall it was usually someone else's computer tho tbh

00:46:34  <ST2> drac_boy: openttd version it's shown on the title

00:46:55  <ST2> it's hard to miss ^^

00:47:04  * peter1138 ponders ... playing...

00:47:30  <ST2> peter1138: I advise you too

00:48:27  <drac_boy> st2 well like I said I haven't ever played for most of 2017 .. so whatever I may still recall from rather early in year isn't good anymore sorry

00:49:19  <ST2> drac_boy: I played 1 OpenTTD game in 2017 - rest was admin working and preparing servers for players

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00:51:06  <ST2> well, most of the people here can use my words - since are on same grounds ^^

00:52:32  <drac_boy> st2 ah ok well tbh I still play a good amount of ttpatch months-wise tho so thats why I don't mind talking about most of the gameplay things (excluding the ones that aren't 'crossplatform' such as being able to program a signal to refuse to turn green on any trains with steel cargo)

00:52:38  <drac_boy> st2 yeah I believe you annyhow

00:52:42  <drac_boy> and which of hi flygon anything new?

00:54:19  <ST2> drac_boy: because I never seen you on reddit servers, BTPro servers, n-ice servers or CM servers

00:54:34  <ST2> if you ttdcoop only, fine by me

00:54:56  <ST2> but there's a whole new world around xD

00:55:44  <drac_boy> I'm not talking about coop :P

00:56:15  <ST2> so, grab 1.7.1 and explore the online servers

00:56:36  <drac_boy> I doubt it'll ever build but ty still :-p

00:59:56  <ST2> <drac_boy> I doubt it'll ever build  <<-- why?

01:02:38  <ST2> drac_boy: it even works on my Kali machine

01:02:45  <drac_boy> st2 to bluntly answer your question: has anyone ever written the instructions on how to compile ottd with MPW under macos?

01:03:26  <ST2> oh, Apple

01:03:44  <ST2> how does that bit you?

01:06:08  <ST2> sorry drac_boy, guess there you're on your own and with Apple Servive

01:07:18  <drac_boy> np..mind you pcdos-2001 runs very nicely on top tho .. thats how I play tt on that computer too (with a 'cloned' folder from the freebsd hd so the only thing different is the savegame list)

01:07:40  <drac_boy> but anyway st2...we'll see but ottd somewhere next year might be a small possibility .. depending .. will have to wait to see first

01:08:29  <ST2> well drac_boy: can you compile and rum 1.7.1 now?

01:08:41  <ST2> if yes, we're good :)

01:08:57  <drac_boy> st2 anyway I dunno why I still recall it (probably because it was too much unique fun) .. I still wonder about the infrastructure sharing thing ever being included in a release version (rather than that special non-release thing I can't remember the name of now)

01:09:12  <drac_boy> st2...like I said...if anyone can mention how to compile ottd in MPW I would had been happy to run it .. sorry? :-p

01:09:38  <Flygon> drac_boy: You're still missing out on the Telegram room. I can guarantee it's in your demographic interest!

01:10:09  <ST2> drac_boy: would help saying what's a MPW

01:10:22  * drac_boy pokes flygon .. just because

01:10:33  <drac_boy> st2 hm sorry give me a moment to find the link

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01:14:21  <drac_boy> typical apple, in the last several years they have been mashing a lot of things around that its hard to find anything recent anymore (heck even a 6-months-old forum.apple.com tech link goes to a 404 page unless you wayback it) but here you go st2 https://web.archive.org/web/20110514011858/http://developer.apple.com/tools/mpw-tools/

01:14:50  <ST2> it's apple related?

01:16:13  <ST2> I have an Apple VM, being updated as needed

01:16:26  <ST2> MacOS, better saying

01:16:53  <ST2> I use it to test if BTPro clients compile on it, or not

01:17:22  <ST2> and, till now, all is good

01:17:39  <ST2> so drac_boy, what's your problem?

01:18:15  <drac_boy> st2 wheres the instructions? :)

01:18:31  <ST2> instructions for what?!

01:18:55  <drac_boy> either way just asking if anyone here know the name of that other kind of build of ttd .. not the beta/release one but that one that had unusual features added in that were never in the release version

01:19:04  <drac_boy> ttd=ottd* stupid key

01:19:06  <ST2> https://wiki.openttd.org/Category:Compiling_OpenTTD

01:19:16  <ST2> had you checked that?

01:19:34  <drac_boy> st2 theres no macos in there or even any non-visual either

01:19:44  <ST2> https://wiki.openttd.org/Compiling_on_Mac_OS_X

01:19:55  <ST2> wut?!

01:19:57  <drac_boy> umm osx is not the same

01:20:11  <drac_boy> (maybe thats what confused you sorry?)

01:20:43  <ST2> well, I followed those instructions and it compiled

01:20:59  <ST2> and I run it on a VM

01:21:23  <ST2> maybe youhave an outdated ot overdated MacOS

01:21:50  <ST2> for that, I'm not the person who can help you, sorry

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01:26:13  <drac_boy> anyway lets just ignore os confusions for now st2 .. I'm just curious but is there any particular train grf you like or its just a "meh whatever the game has"?

01:27:03  <ST2> drac_boy: if you knew me... you wouldn't make that question

01:27:48  <drac_boy> heh sorry? ;-)

01:28:10  <ST2> and you can check all players that hate/love me in www.btpro.nl

01:28:16  <ST2> it's not a secret

01:29:15  <ST2> I'm still preparing a 1.7.2-RC1 server, that work with our server controller

01:29:36  <ST2> the both testings, it's what matters for me

01:31:02  <drac_boy> mm well specifically in temperate I kinda have a big like for dbsetxl but also have canset too...and some (I think)older polish trainset

01:31:11  <drac_boy> wouldn't bore you with more details ;)

01:31:45  <ST2> test server I'm gonna start... no newgrf's

01:32:12  <ST2> I'm just setting the plugins loaded on server controller ^^

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01:34:49  <drac_boy> btw st2 kinda nice to see theres actually some servers that don't want planes at all

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01:35:15  <drac_boy> I recall being fed up with lazy silyl players who destroy and reserve a lot of next-to-city land for nothing but to keep sending a hoard of freight-only planes

01:35:20  <ST2> drac_boy: you only noticed that now?

01:35:40  <drac_boy> well st2 I was just browsing the 'all servers' list on that site and only thought to mention it now :P

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01:37:00  <ST2> we (BTPro) have some servers that allow Air

01:37:06  <ST2> most don't

01:37:16  <ST2> but that's our choice

01:37:49  <drac_boy> mm :-)

01:38:22  <ST2> drac_boy: maybe you never tried to join a BTPro server with name ST2

01:39:37  <ST2> well, you can do it - but have 2 minutes to identify - or will be named to Unregistered****

01:39:43  <drac_boy> also heh it was sometimes a little queer seeing a red small airport right next to a blue intercontinental airport on the same side of large city yet the small one (which was me) can happily push several hundred passengers without issue

01:39:55  <drac_boy> different players = different ideas

01:39:58  <drac_boy> (I guess)

01:40:10  <ST2> drac_boy: had you read my lines above?

01:40:33  <drac_boy> yeah I did..was a bit busy typing sorry

01:41:03  <drac_boy> and nah I wouldn't like naming myself to anything ST* anyhow :-p

01:41:28  <ST2> had you tried to join a BTPro server?

01:41:32  <drac_boy> although someone going by the name Atari ST could be a funny one to screencap tho

01:41:42  <ST2> had you tried to join a BTPro server?

01:41:48  <drac_boy> st2..I might had a long time ago..don't recall sorry

01:42:52  <ST2> drac_boy: guess you only play OpenTTD SP mode - not that I mind

01:43:12  <ST2> but many stuff I can say here it's related to MP games

01:44:07  <drac_boy> np hm well st2 I kinda need to afk re some for-20:00 things here sorry .. talk about grfs or something more simple another day ok? ;)

01:44:11  <drac_boy> and bye to you too flygon

01:44:25  <ST2> typical xD

01:44:32  <ST2> take care o/

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16:13:56  <drac_boy> hi .. and not to be silly but, as usual any interesting grf related news atm? ;)

16:13:58  <drac_boy> heh

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16:43:06  <drac_boy> hallo breckett. hows your weather in germany?

16:44:25  <Breckett> hi

16:44:31  <Breckett> dark xD

16:44:39  <Breckett> mostly cloudy

16:49:46  <drac_boy> mm any snowing tho?

16:50:00  <drac_boy> its totally cloudy here today anyhow..can't even see any sign of sun

16:50:09  <drac_boy> (and its 10:51 now)

16:53:27  <RafiX> what the heck, it's 8*C here

16:53:36  <drac_boy> rafix heh :-)

16:53:46  <RafiX> I want snow back.. ;-;

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16:58:07  <Breckett_> drac_boy: yes, a little snow

16:58:38  <Breckett_> but almost gone now ... http://www.augsburg.de/fileadmin/user_upload/header/webcam/webcamdachspitz/B_Rathausplatz_Dachspitz_00.jpg

16:58:53  <Breckett_> got a webcam too?

17:00:12  <drac_boy> mm no but I can tell you almost everything except well-salted road/sidewalk are covered in 1-3inch of snow and/or slush ... talk about a crazy first-day winter thing here

17:00:17  <drac_boy> :)

17:01:22  <RafiX> hmm, let's try to do company with cars only

17:01:43  <drac_boy> cars? not trucks?

17:01:48  <RafiX> trucks*

17:01:54  <RafiX> I need a coffee first

17:01:58  <RafiX> brb

17:02:02  <drac_boy> (or lorries, whatever your language would be)

17:02:05  <drac_boy> heh ok :)

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17:11:44  * drac_boy pokes rafix with an empty mug just for humour

17:12:39  <RafiX> drac_boy: I have a full mug of coffee now

17:12:45  <drac_boy> good :p

17:13:02  <drac_boy> rafix so are you basically talking about a railless game right?

17:13:20  <RafiX> yea

17:14:03  <drac_boy> rafix mm which grf or you haven't decided how to start such game for the first time yet?

17:14:54  <RafiX> I have Polish Road Set v5

17:16:43  <drac_boy> mm don't recognize that one but if it has lorry and tractor included .. maybe some bendy buses too .. sounds like you'll probably have a good time :-)

17:18:09  <drac_boy> rafix just one optional thought if you are actually making the map .. go with something rectangular shaped (like eg 1024x256 or you know?) and not too much mountains or deep water

17:18:33  <drac_boy> thats one easy way to have just one or two "highways" with the branches off it having just a few easy curves if any at all

17:19:12  <drac_boy> (nothing like 8+ curves in one single trip making a truck somewhat depressing to use with its constant loss of top speed heh)

17:20:35  <drac_boy> rafix but anyhow have fun with whatever you do with your game ok? ;)

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17:24:07  <RafiX> drac_boy: well I'm doing that for fun

17:24:27  <drac_boy> rafix yeah np :)

17:24:38  <drac_boy> btw have you heard of HEQS? the tramful grf yes

17:25:03  <RafiX> I haven't tried much grfs

17:25:18  <RafiX> only this Polish Road Set and Polish PKP Trains

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17:28:16  <drac_boy> rafix ah ok well there was that one or few (I can't recall as its been a long time ago) times I was in an online gmae and as it was a relatively smooth map (no heavy mountains) with one of the few grfs being HEQS I end up doing something a little silly.. run a 100%-trams-only company ;)

17:28:34  <drac_boy> you had to see these many trams slowly running past the farm, etca heh

17:30:46  <drac_boy> of course the one slight problem was...trams are not easy to route so had to carefully lay dedicated lines with no interaction to avoid 20 coal trams mashing up into a jam with 20 farm trams tho

17:32:12  <drac_boy> either way rafix it was interesting talking but I have to go now re lunch and more sorry .. hopefully you're around another time to talk about polish grfs if you don't mind that ok? :)

17:32:30  <RafiX> why not

17:32:52  <drac_boy> ty and bye for now ;)

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17:34:10  <LordAro> drac_boy should learn what tab-complete is

17:35:18  <RafiX> well some people don't know about it

17:35:46  <LordAro> hence why they should learn :p

17:39:59  <RafiX> well I tried to teach one entire channel how to use tab-complete

17:40:28  <RafiX> they decided that it's better to not use it

17:40:59  <LordAro> how weird

17:41:13  <Thedarkb> Do you think OpenTTD will run in 128mb ram?

17:41:18  <Thedarkb> I impulse bought a cheap thinkpad.

17:41:41  <Thedarkb> I'm going to install BunsenLabs on it.

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17:42:56  <RafiX> Thedarkb: on linux OpenTTD 1.7.1 uses 171MB of RAM with 128x256 map, so I don't think it will

17:43:02  <RafiX> maybe the win9x version

17:43:31  <peter1138> You bought something with only 128MB on it?

17:43:49  <RafiX> well there are people that like old laptops

17:43:50  <Thedarkb> Yeah.

17:43:50  <LordAro> there's "cheap thinkpad" and there's "cheap thinkpad from the 90s"

17:44:03  <Thedarkb> I put an SSD in it.

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17:44:37  <RafiX> tfw my friend used Thinkpad with P3 and 512MB till 2015

17:44:53  <Thedarkb> I'm still on an X200

17:45:00  <Thedarkb> I have 8GB RAM though.

17:45:22  <Thedarkb> The mobo claims it only supports 4, but the docs are lying.

17:45:41  <Thedarkb> I wonder how much I could put in that X40

17:46:04  <Thedarkb> I do plan on dual booting BunsenLabs and Windows 98 so the 9x version will probably be the best bet.

17:46:07  <LordAro> with 128MB, i'd be surprised if it's even DDR

17:46:13  <LordAro> let alone anything remotely modern

17:46:26  <RafiX> I actually use HP desktop, because I'm broke

17:46:30  <RafiX> 4GB of RAM

17:46:32  <Thedarkb> DDR, 333mhz

17:46:40  <RafiX> ahh, DDR

17:46:51  <Thedarkb> 1.25GB max supported.

17:46:57  <Thedarkb> Pentium M

17:47:00  <RafiX> I have a laptop with SDRAM still

17:47:09  <RafiX> Pentium II based Celeron, 333MHz

17:47:38  <Thedarkb> It only has one RAM slot though.

17:47:48  <Thedarkb> It's empty on mine, but there's some on the Mobo

17:48:12  <Thedarkb> It's also got WiFi and a thinklight.

17:48:26  <Thedarkb> I can't use it at the moment because I broke the charger.

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17:49:51  <RafiX> will road vehicle refit when replacing?

17:50:05  <Thedarkb> Yeah, I think they do.

17:50:35  <RafiX> hmm, I have money but it says that replace failed because of money limit

17:50:59  <RafiX> is it because of debt?

17:51:02  <Thedarkb> There's a lower cash limit you have to set.

17:51:17  <Thedarkb> It might be in the options, I'm not sure.

17:51:21  <Thedarkb> I haven't played in a while.

17:52:13  <RafiX> oh

17:52:17  <RafiX> thanks Thedarkb

17:52:34  <RafiX> that's why I got problems before..

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19:10:43  <RafiX> damn, I made nearly 10 millions of pounds

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19:30:11  <Wolf01> Moin

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20:02:37  <drac_boy> sorry but while doing some notes I was just wondering (seeing I never did get deep into roadvehicle's that much) .. does cargo refit also handle livery changes too?

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20:17:05  <drac_boy> hi frosch anything interesting for you as usual? ;-) heh

20:22:20  <frosch123> it's not friday

20:22:38  <frosch123> friday is usually interesting

20:22:48  <drac_boy> heh fair enough :-p

20:22:57  <drac_boy> sadly its not even wednesday yet here either (mid-week) :-s

20:23:26  <frosch123> wed is also 3.5 hours away here

20:23:39  <frosch123> though wed noon may be more middleish

20:23:43  <drac_boy> mm its only 14:26 here :-/

20:24:14  <drac_boy> so anyway interesting or not interesting what're you doing aside to irc tho?

20:25:40  <frosch123> pondering between sweet coffee and sweet whippet cookies

20:26:30  <drac_boy> heh I would had taken the cookie but I think you'll have to decide for yourself tho :-)

20:26:55  <RafiX> tfw playing openTTD all day

20:27:01  <frosch123> https://www.koehler-kuesse.de/deutsch/fabrikverkauf-k%C3%B6hlerk%C3%BCsse/k%C3%B6hlerk%C3%BCsse-sortiment/ <- if you want some pictures

20:27:05  <RafiX> am I getting addicted

20:27:23  <frosch123> it's a local factory

20:27:47  <drac_boy> rafix maybe

20:28:10  <RafiX> playing nonstop for 3 hours rn

20:28:38  <RafiX> started at 1950

20:28:41  <RafiX> it's 2008

20:29:07  * drac_boy has always started 1920 for as long as I can ever remember?

20:29:16  <drac_boy> :)

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20:29:22  <RafiX> I forgot to change it

20:29:30  <drac_boy> heh fair enough yeah theres that

20:30:53  <RafiX> also I don't think there are road vehicles in grf I use in 1920

20:31:47  <drac_boy> ah hm good point .. I've never really noticed any omission in 1920 here .. other than for tiny choice of planes

20:33:06  <drac_boy> anyway frosch and rafix have fun one way or another..I need to afk for a few hours again

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20:33:17  <RafiX> bye

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21:14:17  <CTZen> happy?

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21:22:29  <V453000> Yo humans

21:22:43  <V453000> I iz on iPad :D

21:22:49  <Wolf01> o/

21:23:23  <frosch123> you can sit on it?

21:24:29  <Wolf01> I heard you can use it as a scale

21:24:29  <V453000> Yeah

21:24:41  <V453000> It’s amazing I must admit

21:25:02  <RafiX> can you run openttd on it

21:30:54  <V453000> No :)

21:31:16  <V453000> But you can draw newgrfs on it!

21:36:03  <V453000> frosch123: I wanted to go to the party but it’s already fulll which saved me :D

21:36:03  <Wolf01> You can draw F too on it?

21:36:10  <V453000> Ish, yes

21:36:35  <Wolf01> Fish?

21:36:39  <V453000> Theoretically yes but practically not so sure, the results might be too different ... or I just need to learn working with it better

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21:37:06  <V453000> I have it mostly just for newgrfs being drawn in places where I don’t have desktop

21:37:31  <V453000> Already downloading monument valley for scientific purposes though

21:39:14  <Wolf01> The bad part about a different ecosystem is to purchase again almost all the things

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21:40:10  <Wolf01> That's why I won't switch to android/apple if my phone will die in the future

21:40:29  <V453000> Well what would you need to repurchase?

21:40:51  <Wolf01> Games, some softwares I use

21:41:27  <Wolf01> For example I won't buy minecraft again, I already purchased it twice

21:41:33  <V453000> Well that’s always a problem yes :) I’m just curious to learn to work with this simply because the hardware is so nice

21:41:36  <V453000> Haha

21:42:10  <V453000> The pencil with the screen, procreate, battery life and weight of the whole thing are just incredible

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21:46:26  <RafiX> I heard that some iPads are great for drawing with some pen

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21:53:18  <Wolf01> http://steam250.com/ nice, F is at 6th place

21:53:29  <Eddi|zuHause> why would you need to buy minecraft twice? it's java...

21:54:00  <Wolf01> Eh, try to run java on a phone

21:54:10  <RafiX> j2me

21:55:31  <Wolf01> Yes, try to run java minecraft on a phone... it's already difficult to run it fine on a pc

21:55:51  <RafiX> why even play minecrat

21:55:54  <RafiX> minecraft*

21:56:01  <Wolf01> Because I like it

21:56:09  <RafiX> danb

21:56:12  <RafiX> damn*

21:56:18  <Eddi|zuHause> why even play anything?

21:56:33  <RafiX> why even play openttd

21:56:44  <RafiX> jk openttd is best game

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23:22:36  <Wolf01> 'night

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