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10:54:52 <V453000> success in photoshop was, but after effects still managed to fuck it up along the way before the sprites are shat :D
10:54:57 <V453000> migrating even more into photoshop now
10:55:01 <V453000> redoing all them things
10:55:11 <V453000> progress must not be stopped
10:55:48 <andythenorth> automate V453000
10:58:10 <V453000> not an option at this point
10:58:24 <V453000> this is just all about making it final with the control of photoshop over every pixel easily
10:58:31 <V453000> complex masking is a pain in the ass with vector masks
10:58:48 <V453000> I learned my lesson not to attempt to use them ever again for complicated shit
10:58:55 <V453000> and tunnels are really complicated shit
11:02:03 <V453000> it's going to be great, now I am on the right path finally
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11:04:02 <V453000> thing is, it's still 2D sprites. Last step should always be photoshop
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11:26:45 <Wolf01> I should buy a new router, 9 classes of QoS rules aren't enough :(
11:26:57 <Wolf01> I think I'll buy a firewall
11:29:32 <__ln__> can you even buy a router that isn't also a firewall?
11:29:53 <Wolf01> The firewall part on routers is usually limited
11:30:24 <Wolf01> Even the NAT on my router allows just 10 services
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11:36:53 <peter1138> Depends if it's a shit router or not.
11:37:22 <peter1138> Also why do you need so much QoS.
11:38:14 <Wolf01> Limit bandwidth used by every device to allow at least a 15% to be used by others
11:40:03 <peter1138> So you have 6.666 devices?
11:40:59 <Wolf01> No, 2 classes for every device, Up/Down have a different class and they are shared
11:42:29 <Wolf01> I have 5 devices: 10 classes, max 9
11:46:46 <Wolf01> I grouped the wifi devices using the mask to save 3 classes to be used for specific services device-independent like VOIP (2 classes), I now have 1 class left
11:49:51 <__ln__> does your shitty router support flashing OpenWRT on it?
11:50:09 <Wolf01> No, also I don't think there's openwrt with adsl module
11:50:35 <__ln__> hmm, keep adsl and router as separate devices and you'll have more choice
11:51:05 <Wolf01> Eh that's why I want to buy a firewall
11:57:02 <__ln__> in many ways it's a professional product, but in the price range that a consumer would pay
12:01:02 <Wolf01> I have a linksys WRT54G, but it's just for the living room, the entire network relies on the adsl modem router
12:03:23 <Wolf01> Clearly the WRT54G has dd-wrt installed because I needed it to split the wifi, I considered to install openwrt but the configuration of the split was a bit tricky, and I don't want to touch something which works fine
12:04:16 <Wolf01> But if I'll move all the network stuff to the living room I could use that as main gateway
12:04:52 <__ln__> well, probably if you installed dd-wrt on it.
12:07:53 <Wolf01> The only problem I have is that if I disable the dhcp server on the adsl router the WRT54G doesn't supply the dhcp to the lan, only to wifi
12:08:07 <__ln__> unfortunately any modern version of OpenWRT doesn't fit into WRT54GL's rom.
12:09:04 <Wolf01> Yes, I read the warnings, and it already has 84% of memory full with dd-wrt
12:09:26 <Wolf01> 16MB aren't really much :P
12:11:08 <Wolf01> Also I remember I had to stick to an exact version of dd-wrt because others have huge problems with the WRT54G/GL/GS devices
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12:27:59 <peter1138> Gonna get myself a couple of wAP ACs I think.
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18:32:31 <supermop_home> roll up doors for cargo trams, or sliding box car doors?
18:33:13 <andythenorth> varies by generation
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19:05:13 <andythenorth> anyone help me improve Iron Horse makefile?
19:05:21 <andythenorth> currently I have to use ‘make clean && make install’ every time
19:05:29 <andythenorth> this negates any caching benefit
19:05:39 <andythenorth> but otherwise it doesn’t see changes
19:07:20 <andythenorth> - lang changes aren’t detected
19:08:26 <andythenorth> - graphics changes aren’t detected
19:09:34 <andythenorth> - changes to .py source files that affect nml output are detected
19:09:36 <frosch123> fixing makefiles always means rewriting them :p
19:10:15 <frosch123> it easier to rewrite them with your own tricks and looking up whether the rules of someone else work
19:10:37 <frosch123> in this case: directories as targets make no sense in my book, but maybe there is some hidden make feature
19:10:39 <andythenorth> these are rewritten ;)
19:10:48 <andythenorth> I rewrote them :P
19:11:17 <andythenorth> - changes to .py source that affects graphics aren’t detected
19:13:47 <andythenorth> last time I tried to fix this I made some kind of recursion :P
19:14:49 <glx> make works on file targets, not dirs I think
19:16:51 <glx> anyway you don't seem to add deps for lang dir, so make will never be triggered without cleaning
19:19:09 <andythenorth> so how do I do that? ;)
19:19:22 * andythenorth has read the make docs twice, but never makes any sense
19:20:10 <andythenorth> why does changing png need the nml rebuilt?
19:22:20 <andythenorth> unrelated to that, doesn’t L81 cause the graphics to be built when the grf is built?
19:22:38 <glx> because iron-horse.nml depends on .py .pynml .pt .png .lng
19:22:39 <andythenorth> that should build graphics, lang, docs, nml
19:22:59 <andythenorth> it only builds nml unless I use clean
19:23:34 <andythenorth> so I should remove .png from L18
19:24:21 <glx> you should split the source list and group by target
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19:24:43 <WegeClausen> hi where is the setting to see the boarders of a city
19:24:43 <andythenorth> NML_SOURCES, GRAPHICS_SOURCES etc
19:24:51 <glx> line 78 tells nml file depends on all source
19:25:10 <glx> but line 69 and 72 depends on nothing
19:25:16 <andythenorth> but doesn’t L81 tell to always build graphics, docs etc?
19:26:25 <andythenorth> one day understanding will arrive
19:26:47 <andythenorth> make is some kind of symbol chaining :P
19:27:32 <glx> writing deps is a pain :)
19:28:49 <andythenorth> probably SOURCES doesn’t need to be a var
19:30:00 <WegeClausen> someone can help me or is this not posible
19:30:09 <glx> using a var is a good idea if you write some kind of generic makefile
19:30:40 <glx> but you should split it for each sub part
19:30:52 <andythenorth> each var only needs consumed once, so eh
19:31:12 <glx> like one group of source files for graphics, one for langs, one for nml
19:32:18 <andythenorth> graphics changes now detected
19:32:23 <glx> but I'm not sur how make handles a target dir
19:34:36 <glx> WegeClausen: I don't think this settings exist but I may be wrong
19:34:50 <andythenorth> use JGR Patchpack
19:34:56 <andythenorth> has town boundaries
19:35:13 <glx> so yeah not in base game :)
19:36:41 <_dp_> CityMania client also has all kinds of town boundaries if you want it for mp
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19:41:42 <andythenorth> that cuts a normal compile time by 50% :P
19:41:48 <andythenorth> 30s is a lot better than > 1 min
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19:58:07 <V453000> andythenorth: the FIRS coal mine is just excellently well drawn
19:58:26 <V453000> I kind of still like some of the details about the original one more, but overall, fucking amazing
20:06:02 <andythenorth> it’s mostly just the original, except not a direct copy :P
20:06:33 <V453000> overall the level of quality of especially the newer industries is just outstanding
20:06:44 <V453000> it's really making progress over the years
20:07:30 <andythenorth> full on mental roof colour, like original TTD
20:08:15 <V453000> yeah that one is nice
20:08:55 <andythenorth> now just needs converting to 32bpp EZ
20:09:05 <andythenorth> ‘to attract more players
20:09:08 <andythenorth> and look modern'
20:09:25 <V453000> there is a whole bunch of really awesome things
20:09:32 <V453000> yeah just draw 16 times more pixels
20:09:36 <V453000> what could possibly go wrong
20:09:46 <andythenorth> ‘looks more modern'
20:13:50 <andythenorth> do I make Horse nml super-complicated in hope of faster compiles?
20:13:58 <andythenorth> every vehicle has a lot of switches
20:14:13 <andythenorth> they could all be one set of shared switches, using registers to pass vehicle ID around
20:15:41 <andythenorth> faster to compile, slower to code :P
20:15:42 <V453000> overcomplicate it ftw
20:17:44 <andythenorth> every wagon has up to 58 switches just to handle showing cargo
20:17:57 <andythenorth> pretty certain they could just be 58 switches once
20:19:01 <andythenorth> not 58 switches * 115 wagons
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20:30:54 <andythenorth> so intermodal eh?
20:31:14 <andythenorth> same as box cargos (everything but bulk)?
20:32:49 <andythenorth> and how should the containers recolour? White + CC? To specific cargo colours (like Hog tarpaulins)? Just to CC? To random range of colours?
20:33:07 <andythenorth> and does intermodal go at pax speed, or freight speed?
20:33:17 <andythenorth> so many questions :P
20:33:35 <V453000> the fuck does intermodal mean
20:33:58 <andythenorth> basically if it’s all cargos, and high speed
20:34:03 <V453000> containers are wagons with container sprites, nuff specifics :P
20:34:04 <andythenorth> and no other wagons are needed
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23:30:07 <__ln__> for anyone interested in electric sheep or androids, i can recommend the new movie
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