IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2017-10-05
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00:14:29 <Wolf01> Ahah, just came back from the pub, we were plotting against the pub's owner, his birthday party will be really cool
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14:50:36 <Wolf01> It's a bit far away from home, but heh...
14:52:36 <dihedral> what makes you go there?
14:52:55 <Wolf01> Because I already live here :P
14:53:53 <__ln__> if we didn't have channel mode +c, we would see Wolf01 talking in the colors of the tricolori, and it would be more obvious
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15:01:21 <Wolf01> But is already the 5th talk for this year and I'm not fooling myself that I'll get the job
15:01:36 <__ln__> 5th talk at the same place?
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15:19:03 <supermop> Wolf01: my rule of thumb is generally 20+ applications to get 1 interview
15:19:17 <supermop> and 10+ interviews to get 1 offer
15:20:26 <supermop> maybe it is better in other cities/countries, but experience here seems to be that apart from getting hired right out of university, you need to apply to 200+ jobs to get one
15:20:46 <supermop> for my wife it is a bit less as she has a much more in demand skill
15:20:58 <supermop> but it is still like 60-100
15:21:32 <supermop> for me i have probably made about 160 applications this year
15:22:47 <supermop> i've had 6 interviews at companies
15:23:03 <supermop> and 2 with recruiters
15:30:40 <supermop> was not supposed to be winking sad face, but i'm going to go with it
15:46:54 <Wolf01> Here I need a lot more papers to get considered (master on something) but not too much because you will be discarded as you might cost too much, also there's the "apprentice with experience" monster which is what all companies want
15:49:31 <Wolf01> I'm only qualified in electronics and telecommunications, I tried to graduate in web development but I failed
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15:54:16 <supermop> i find in the us, web developer jobs often do not need a degree in that field
15:54:26 <supermop> a lot of people are self taught
15:54:42 <supermop> in SF/bay area it might be more demanding
15:55:05 <supermop> we have lots of ginger ale
15:55:12 <dihedral> supermop: my experience in the past 10 years was: 1 application for 1 interview and 1 job offer
15:55:44 <Wolf01> Here they look for graduates, a lot, I bet it's for the certification programs, then the actual slave could be a 19yo self taught, but they have a graduate in the team
15:55:56 <supermop> dihedral: that sounds unrealistic, except in cases where you have essentially been 'offered' the job before yu even apply
15:56:23 <dihedral> yup, but that was not the case
15:56:40 <supermop> here you might meet someone who then wants to hire someone like you, but they must make you go through the standard process to be allowed to hire you
15:57:09 <dihedral> small companies does the trick
15:57:22 <Wolf01> I got 2 offers before I sent my application, and then discarded because I could not be hired as apprentice
15:57:35 <dihedral> and it usually took less than 4 weeks to get the offer - in the best cases it only took 2 weeks.
15:57:54 <dihedral> Wolf01 where in italy do you live?
15:58:11 <Wolf01> My motto since then is: "Don't. Contact. Me. If. You. Already. Know. You. Won't. Hire. Me."
15:59:08 <dihedral> how far away is Bozen?
15:59:10 <supermop> dihedral: the one time i had a situation like that it still took like 2 months
15:59:23 <supermop> and the guy that offered the job owned the comapny
15:59:39 <supermop> but still went through the long process
15:59:45 <dihedral> I am now in that position - we have an applicant here today :D
15:59:59 <Wolf01> <dihedral> how far away is Bozen? <- 80km iirc
16:01:05 <dihedral> perhaps siag might be interested
16:01:21 <dihedral> or "Freie Universität Bozen"
16:02:20 <Wolf01> "80km" yes, the last 80 ones... 253km the shortest one, 340km the quick one
16:03:14 <Wolf01> 3.3hours by car, 5 hours by train
16:03:31 <dihedral> what on earth made you go there in the first place :-D
16:03:48 <Wolf01> Oh, I'm not there, I'm near Venice
16:04:14 <dihedral> what made you go to italy in the first place
16:04:36 <dihedral> there is no shame in that, but still :-D
16:05:36 <Wolf01> The problem is that I live in the Bermuda circle of "there's nothing here", which is really a circle with 40km radius
16:07:36 <Wolf01> Also I feel a bit reluctant to leave my area, because it's peaceful (if you ignore the highway)
16:08:41 <Wolf01> Also, no money to leave...
16:09:04 <dihedral> so companies sponsor the move
16:10:04 <Wolf01> Ahahah, yes, when you already work for them :D
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17:46:08 <Wolf01> Another one, and another one too... turn based fantasy 3d strategy similar to turn based space 4x, puzzle game with gems totally similar to trains puzzle game... wtf steam
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20:06:53 <frosch123> don't worry, we alreadyknew
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20:07:14 <andythenorth> has filed report?
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20:16:09 <andythenorth> a new gamescript
20:18:12 <andythenorth> there’s no generic delimiter to an industry chain
20:18:38 <andythenorth> if all the edges ultimately go to a black hole, that’s a discrete chain
20:19:04 <andythenorth> but if the edges link back to primaries (e.g. supplies)…then it’s cyclical
20:20:13 <frosch123> that's why they are not drawn in the graphviz pictures
20:20:31 <andythenorth> I had an idea for a deliberately crude industry GS
20:20:44 <andythenorth> it relies on starting a map with no industries
20:21:05 <andythenorth> and then it just funds a bunch of primaries and the next 2 levels of secondary
20:21:22 <andythenorth> and if you service enough of the ones it built, you get the next levels, or a new chain
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20:23:57 <frosch123> you can detect primaries just fine
20:24:48 <andythenorth> I wondered how to model chains as a graph
20:25:07 * andythenorth has only rudimentary understanding of graphs :P
20:25:38 <andythenorth> maybe Eddi|zuHause could write a GS generator in python :P
20:39:10 <supermop> ultimately i think you need to dump stuff on towns and somehow make that a goal
20:39:28 <andythenorth> I like the idea of testing crude mechanics
20:39:41 * andythenorth wonders seriously about python GS generator
20:40:00 <andythenorth> and generating directly from FIRS source
20:40:11 <andythenorth> or consuming json
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21:04:14 <Alberth> just start with mine-ish industries, then try building new industries that accept what is produced at the map
21:04:49 <Alberth> where at some point you also need to build more of the same industry, to grow in production capacity
21:05:17 <Alberth> GS has no file-io capabilities
21:05:36 <Alberth> generate the GS itself instead :p
21:10:48 <andythenorth> that was my intent
21:10:55 <andythenorth> ‘intent’ / ‘idea’ /s
21:11:01 * andythenorth has projects enough :P
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21:38:22 <supermop> start with farms and forests
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22:32:39 <andythenorth> intermodal cars: refit everything (realistic), refit only express (gameplay restriction), or refit everything except bulk (semi-realistic)
23:41:55 <FLHerne> Everything, but with lower capacity than specialised vehicles when available>
23:45:23 <supermop> everything, but you have to return the empty tanktainers and open tops
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