IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2017-10-03
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00:13:01 <znf> How do I make a town build higher density buildings? I keep extending it with road, hell, I even made an island, and yet all it builds are puny, tiny houses
00:14:07 <znf> I'm kind of stuck at around 27k population :-/
00:14:21 <znf> and I do meet the requirements to grow (it grows every 5 days)
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00:19:13 <ST2> znf: that happens in an online server or it's on a SP game? (if the 3nd, using any GS and with what settings?)
00:19:46 <znf> It's a save from an online game, but I've started a local server to continue
00:20:18 <ST2> the online game used any kind of gamescript?
00:20:54 <znf> I'm kind of not used to the lingo, so not sure what you're saying about a script
00:20:58 <znf> can I check it in any way?
00:21:23 <ST2> well, I know some of the servers, where the save came from?
00:22:30 <znf> they run a 8000-pop server
00:24:07 <ST2> it runs a home made CB script (kinda simple) - it's so messed up into other GS's (merged) that's almost impossible to split and made it available on bananas
00:24:22 <ST2> once I tried and only got fails :(
00:24:49 <znf> also, is there a way to remove a restriction (no airplanes)?
00:24:50 <ST2> it happens that loading a game of there without the exact GS will go to regular town mechanics
00:25:20 <ST2> maybe on scenario editor - but never tried it
00:25:39 <znf> it takes /so/ long to grow
00:27:43 <ST2> and remember that towns grow like a spiral starting from town center
00:27:51 <ST2> those lakes kinda limits it
00:28:46 <_dp_> big buldings grow closer to town center
00:29:15 <_dp_> it's not much related to road layout or anything except for extra garbage taking valuable center spots
00:29:37 <znf> wish I knew how to demolish that industry :-/
00:29:56 <ST2> CTRL+ALT+C (if single player) xD
00:30:16 <_dp_> there is no way to destroy industries in mp unless you're on citymania servers
00:30:17 <ST2> or make it on scenario editor
00:30:48 <_dp_> and for sp, yes, magic bulldozer ftw)
00:33:30 <_dp_> in general in city-builder try to choose towns that have nothing close to their center and carefully plan your roads and tracks so it takes as little center space as possible
00:34:55 <_dp_> also stations can be moved out as town grows, even on btpro that's allowed I believe
00:35:22 <ST2> since it grows, move stations, yes
00:36:18 <ST2> requires a bit micromanagement, but worth the effort :)
00:37:57 <ST2> daaaamnnn... when I can't decide what series to watch, always end up watching Futurama xD
00:38:16 <znf> ok, got it, so there's no way to force building higher density in remote areas
00:38:20 <znf> just gotta let it grow :-/
00:45:26 <znf> do the Factories require all 3 types of cargo to create goods?
00:45:35 <znf> or they can just do it with 2?
00:45:43 <_dp_> hm, though that article seems to be quite bad at explaining town zones but at least it tries...
00:45:59 <znf> cool, for a second it showed 0 creates production
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00:52:51 <znf> what's "terraforming limit reached"? :-|
00:53:21 <_dp_> as it says, too much terraforming :p
00:53:31 <znf> what does the limit refer to?
00:53:32 <_dp_> it will restore after a while
01:07:51 <znf> also, how the hell do I actually renew vehicles in a depot?
01:07:57 <znf> I click the renew button but nothing happens
01:08:56 <ST2> maybe because server settings is without breakdowns - I guess only works correctly if you use to replace by another vehicle
01:09:08 <ST2> but I'm kinda rusty on there ^^
01:09:23 <znf> Is there a simpler way to renew a vehicle without buying a new one, clicking on orders, cloing the orders from the previous one etc. ?
01:09:44 <ST2> vehicles will never need a mechanic - unless you want to replace for a new model :)
01:10:12 <znf> Foster MK II should be available in 2008, and I'm 2009
01:10:46 <ST2> the way it works it's similar to RV's
01:10:53 <Eddi|zuHause> znf: you set up autoreplace rules from the vehicle lists
01:11:07 <Eddi|zuHause> znf: only then the replace button actually does anything
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06:24:14 <znf> Is there any reason I'm seeing my Farms diminish in production?
06:24:22 <znf> They're down to 24 tones, from ~90-something
08:17:26 <Eddi|zuHause> znf: you should keep your station rating above 67% at all times
09:00:26 <V453000> idk, I just heard it somewhere
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12:27:13 <crem> That link appears at least weekly on this channel!
12:27:24 <crem> Hm.. Maybe we should set up a bot that posts it.
12:29:03 <__ln__> impossible, i haven't seen the link even once on this channel.
12:31:19 <crem> Ok, that's only the third time that I saw it.
12:31:53 <peter1138> Let me know when they add road vehicles, ships and aircraft.
12:33:16 <peter1138> Nice EGA resolution.
12:33:34 <peter1138> Pls to be stretching the pixel vertically...
12:35:04 <peter1138> Yeah, looks much better scaled to 640x480.
12:41:08 <crem> ah, that competition.. I thought about different. Some years ago there was some marathon run, and all roads were closed for traffic. But there was a railway intersection, where the train did some slow maneurs causing everyone to wait.
12:46:56 <Wolf01> I think I found a bug with autoreplace
12:48:12 <Wolf01> Mmmh, no, it works, but it's confusing
12:49:37 <Wolf01> I really think you should show the autoreplaced vehicle icon only in the list it was set up
12:50:00 <Wolf01> I had to browse the entire group list to stop autoreplacing an old vehicle
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13:09:16 <V453000> crem: I played the fuck out of that game
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13:29:20 <Wolf01> I think I'll develop road waypoints which could be set on any tile (ramps, crossings, curves)
13:30:20 <Wolf01> Also I'll change the condition to make the oneway road so a player could do it on city owned roads too
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13:44:21 <Breckett> I'm currently doing a small paper on the history of openTTD. All sources I looked at so far simply state that Ludvig Strigeus reverse engineered the original Transport Tycoon Deluxe in 2004. But I can't seem to find a quote by Chris Sawyer on openTTD ... ??
13:45:07 <peter1138> Why would you expect to find one?
13:45:12 <Wolf01> Chris Sawyer made Transport Tycoon (Deluxe) not OTTD
13:46:01 <peter1138> Also why does this come up every few months? How many "papers" about OpenTTD's "history" are needed?
13:46:48 <Breckett> Wolf01: yes. But it seems odd that one cannot not find a statement by the creator of the original game to the spinoff.
13:47:02 <Breckett> peter1138: it's soooo popular! \o/ ;)
13:47:17 <LordAro> i don't think there's anything public
13:47:29 <Wolf01> peter1138: I think every university needs one
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13:48:01 <Wolf01> Also every tech blog/gaming site
13:48:21 <LordAro> several people over the years have been in contact with him (or his lawyers) with the general response of "yes he's aware of it, he doesn't like it, but accepts that there's nothing he can do about it"
13:48:40 <LordAro> (look for some of these secondhand sources yourself, i could be making it up)
13:49:49 <Breckett> LordAro: ok that's a start xD
13:50:28 <LordAro> dig through some ancient parts of tt-forums
13:51:45 <crem> There should be documentary movie about openttd!
13:51:54 <crem> Or better documentary series.
13:53:51 <Wolf01> There's Twitch for that
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20:30:22 <andythenorth> train sprites all over the place
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20:33:17 <andythenorth> Hog has wood trucks, because RL wood trucks are quite unique (and boss)
20:33:31 <andythenorth> Sam has log tug thing because floating logs
20:33:45 <andythenorth> trains…nothing special, just a stake wagon
20:37:20 <supermop> wood trains nothing special
20:38:02 <andythenorth> probably better to do a stake car
20:38:06 <andythenorth> and refit more stuff
20:38:32 <frosch123> andythenorth: you can give variety to wood cars by changing the orientation of the logs
20:39:07 <andythenorth> variety is fine, I’m just questioning if it’s worth spamming the buy menu with a single-cargo wagon type
20:39:33 <frosch123> no, it's just a refit of the flat van or open wagon
20:40:50 * andythenorth tending to agree
20:41:21 <andythenorth> in the UK we name our wagons after fish :P
20:41:30 <andythenorth> the german system is more...structured
20:43:30 <frosch123> there was a 4th class? never heard of that
20:45:10 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it was basically "bring your own chair" class
20:45:40 <frosch123> so like today's ice on sundays?
20:45:54 <andythenorth> Klappdeckelwagen eh
20:45:57 <andythenorth> not so much in UK
20:46:10 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe closest to modern bike compartment
20:47:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean the areas in modern wagons where you have these seats along the sides, and the middle area is empty
20:47:47 <andythenorth> edibles tank wagon
20:50:40 <frosch123> is there some industry-scale usecase for wine?
20:52:50 <andythenorth> wine is one of the original bulk cargos
20:52:59 <andythenorth> the romans used to ship it in vast quantities
20:55:23 <frosch123> i like how wiki says that wine tank cars were retired because they were stolen too often
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21:16:04 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: aren't you too young for that?
21:16:33 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: we have this on vinyl
21:17:08 <frosch123> sounds about right :p
21:25:36 <V453000> basically shader on the right is the expected result that I'm getting in rendered preview mode in the window
21:25:44 <V453000> the one on the left is what comes out
21:25:57 <V453000> the one in the middle is when I disable environemnt ._.
21:26:08 <V453000> so I know what's broken but have no idea if I can even fix it
21:36:25 <V453000> OMFG I JUST REALIZED WHY IT'S BROKEN
21:36:32 <V453000> it's because I am doing wild shit
21:43:25 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a brand of beer
21:48:33 <Eddi|zuHause> (where "fucking" is a town in austria, and "hell" is the german word for "bright")
21:49:00 <V453000> oh it's 7e for sick pack of 0.33s
21:49:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know beer that well, but that's probably on the expensive side
21:51:10 <frosch123> it's in a green bottle though
21:51:30 <V453000> well compared to czech beer it's expensive as fuck but it could be a relatively normal german beer price I think
22:02:32 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's certainly expensive if you compare it to Sternburger or Oettinger
22:02:56 <Eddi|zuHause> which are the stereotypical cheap beers around here
22:02:56 <V453000> and just like other german beer it's not worth it :P
22:04:01 <Eddi|zuHause> if you're trying to be fancy you take a Radeberger
22:04:24 <Eddi|zuHause> which is like 12€ for 20 bottles
22:04:50 <Eddi|zuHause> or something along that line
22:06:17 <V453000> here a 0.5l beer costs 20czk and it's already with 2czk deposit and 20czk is already very fancy ... :) 27czk = 1 eur
22:07:32 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 10.3703703704
22:08:11 <Eddi|zuHause> deposit is like 8¢
22:08:20 <Eddi|zuHause> and 3€ for the crate
22:08:42 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: that calculation makes no sense
22:09:25 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 14.8148148148
22:09:32 <frosch123> true, got the wrong number
22:09:46 <frosch123> so, czech beer is more expensive than the premium east german beer?
22:09:54 <V453000> yeah actually that's true
22:10:09 <V453000> my father was buying pilsner urquell from germany
22:10:13 <V453000> just because it was cheaper
22:10:38 <frosch123> he, i thought we are famous for taxes
22:11:00 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: if you want to see beer taxes, go to scandinavian countries :p
22:11:20 <frosch123> it was obligatory to bring something as present
22:14:52 <V453000> that page is just telling me that it wants some premium funkcionality :D
22:15:26 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, for me too
22:16:14 <V453000> probably uses the same account as frosch's porn subscription
22:16:49 <frosch123> i trade it in for renting the unicorns
22:18:25 <frosch123> anyway, it claims ger has 20% higher alcohol taxes than cz
22:18:43 <frosch123> though it only lists taxes for 15%, 32% and 38%
22:18:50 <frosch123> maybe there is a beer exception :p
22:19:03 <V453000> I guess cz has 300% higher retardation taxes
22:19:21 <V453000> also pilsner urquell is the most expensive beer here
22:19:32 <V453000> the rest is like 50% the price
22:19:40 <V453000> some things even less
22:19:59 <V453000> well you can get more expensive exotic things but you get the point
22:27:41 <Wolf01> Does somebody want to trade sins of a solar empire: rebellion? I have it spare, and I look for [endless space 2|wasteland 2|wh40k:dow3]
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22:58:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i played that on some lan a few years ago
23:03:09 <frosch123> "I am buying a company which has a value of $112 million. The companies bank balance is $101 million." <- something suggestions to info@ read like scam :)
23:06:47 <glx> so $11M of vehicles and properties
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