IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2017-09-26
            
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07:52:27 <andythenorth> o/
08:06:52 <V453000> yea
08:06:55 <V453000> sup yo
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09:23:22 <twb> me again, back to trying to package bananas plugins without using the in-game loader
09:24:07 <twb> Beginner_Tutorial-17 wants import("util.superlib", "SuperLib", 27);
09:24:22 <twb> But I can only see SuperLib version 40
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09:56:59 <Breckett> hi
10:09:01 <LordAro> twb: generally they're backwards compatible
10:10:01 <twb> So should I just make like a symlink
10:24:58 <twb> I tried this and I got the same error as before:
10:25:04 <twb> root@inmate-1:~# ln -s SuperLib-40/ /usr/share/games/openttd/ai/library/SuperLib-36
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11:08:24 <Wolf01> o/
11:13:29 <crem> \o
11:15:43 <Wolf01> http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2017/09/25/when-youve-thought-of-everything-almost/ classic
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18:29:00 <_dp_> o/
18:29:17 <_dp_> is it possible to do multiplatform stations with only block signals?
18:30:19 <Wolf01> Yes, use 2 way signals at the entrances
18:30:47 <Wolf01> Also you might need presignals if you have more trains than platforms
18:31:16 <_dp_> but then if it's full next train will block on those signals
18:31:38 <Wolf01> No, you need to use presignals to avoid blocks
18:31:39 <_dp_> yeah, I know how to do it with presignals
18:32:12 <_dp_> I'm just wondering how is it supposed to be done in original TTD
18:32:20 <_dp_> it didn't have presignals iirc
18:33:03 <Wolf01> It worked the same as it would work now if you only use plain block signals
18:33:08 <_dp_> also wathed some mashinky videos and it seems to only have block signals as well
18:33:47 <_dp_> so it just didn't work
18:34:09 <_dp_> even roro stations are garbage with just block signals
18:34:09 <Wolf01> Block signals or PBS? Because almost all the latest games have PBS like signals
18:34:35 <Wolf01> For example TF has PBS like
18:34:39 <_dp_> doesn't look any pbs like to me
18:34:57 <_dp_> just regular block signal bs
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18:36:15 <_dp_> people playing it seem to have no idea how any of those work so it's hard to tell for sure
18:36:23 <_dp_> they just place signals randomly xD
18:36:59 <Wolf01> Meh, Halo Wars 2, they make me download 25GB of update and thet don't even give the latest DLC for free for season pass users :(
18:42:13 <Wolf01> BTW when will be possible to purchase and download Mashinky?
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18:52:35 <Wolf01> Quak
18:53:49 <Wolf01> Mmmh, no 2x2 curves in Mashinky, only 2x3 S curves and 3x3 curves
18:54:15 <frosch123> moo
18:58:58 <Eddi|zuHause> _dp_: people never have any idea how signals work, block or not
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19:03:16 <_dp_> Eddi|zuHause, I've seen some people who do :p
19:03:45 <Wolf01> Yes, people which is right here
19:04:13 <Wolf01> *are
19:04:18 <Rubidium> nice... I'm people ;)
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19:07:57 <frosch123> https://xkcd.com/1013/ <- just avoid the sheeple
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19:14:08 <Wolf01> Mmmh, 23€ Mashinky EA
19:14:35 <Wolf01> That or a lego for xmas
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20:24:42 <andythenorth> o/
20:26:26 <frosch123> ho
20:33:23 <andythenorth> quak
20:33:24 <andythenorth> and so on
20:34:20 <Eddi|zuHause> quark
20:34:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't have any, just pudding
20:35:05 <supermop_> surely there are some quarks in there
20:36:51 <supermop_> andythenorth: brown or grey floor?
20:36:53 <supermop_> https://imgur.com/a/POyqn
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20:41:06 <andythenorth> brown
20:41:12 <andythenorth> you’ll lose grey against the roof
20:41:21 <andythenorth> can you post 4x zoom sprites :P
20:41:29 * andythenorth has to copy-paste to photoshop to see them :)
20:42:41 <supermop_> haha
20:44:40 <V453000> :D
20:44:42 <V453000> x1 in a nutshell
20:46:06 <frosch123> andythenorth: ctrl +
20:46:26 <andythenorth> webkit is crap at that
20:46:33 <andythenorth> it interpolates images horribly
20:46:40 <andythenorth> optimised (ish) for photos
20:46:56 <andythenorth> zooming pixel art results in coloured blobs :P
20:48:53 <andythenorth> meanwhile
20:48:53 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8640/horse_hopper_cars.png
20:49:07 <andythenorth> hopper cars such
20:49:12 <V453000> too bright
20:49:26 <V453000> & no noise in the gradient
20:49:46 <V453000> general design iz nice
20:50:04 <andythenorth> iz awesome
20:50:20 <andythenorth> shift all colours down one shade?
20:50:33 <andythenorth> sometimes horse sprites look too dark to me
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20:50:50 <V453000> yeah try 1 shade
20:51:02 <andythenorth> cars are too bright compared to engines
20:51:05 <andythenorth> ok
20:51:27 <V453000> but I think if you make it generally much noisier, then you can afford the full range
20:51:52 <V453000> having the brightest 2 indexes here and there alternating at the top
20:53:23 <andythenorth> gone right off noise
20:53:28 <andythenorth> generally looks like a mess
20:53:38 <V453000> well to a degree of course
20:53:42 <V453000> but this is just clean as fuck
20:54:57 <V453000> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nuts/repository/entry/gfx/RailWagons_3rd_Hopper.png
20:57:48 <andythenorth> Error: not automated
20:58:42 <V453000> yeah iz about pixels :P
20:59:45 <V453000> I think this kind of noisy non-linear gradients are not used enough in general
21:00:34 <Wolf01> Looks like plastic
21:04:39 <andythenorth> such lit
21:12:52 <V453000> well it's no masterpiece, just a demonstration of the concept
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22:48:35 <andythenorth> 7/8 is a terrible length
22:55:21 <V453000> discovery made
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