IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2017-09-25
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03:49:38 <Samir> Just played OpenTTD, thanks for the flash back. I was addicted to it as a teen. I just wanted to thank all the developers who made it happen.
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08:40:57 <Eddi|zuHause> there's this weird effect where the decay of the "popular parties" makes the parliament much bigger than before
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09:01:39 <Flygon> Here, it's just meant more third parties being elected.
09:01:44 <Flygon> And continuous hung parliaments.
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13:30:30 <__ln__> anyone started watching yet?
14:01:54 <Wolf01> Mmmh I don't know why my tablet's store apps stop working after some minutes
14:02:14 <Wolf01> All the other desktop apps work fine
14:06:09 <__ln__> Wolf01: have you started watching the series already?
14:09:24 <Wolf01> Not yet, I'm at half DS9 and then there's Voyager
14:09:52 <__ln__> i see. good stuff coming at the second half of DS9.
14:10:06 <__ln__> and then there's also Enterprise
14:13:54 <Wolf01> BTW, netflix has too many series, I would like more movies :(
14:16:48 <__ln__> i would like to have more hours in a day for watching all of it
14:58:54 <Wolf01> Tablet is stuck at "preparing windows, do not turn off" for 40 minutes... I think I'll turn it off
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15:27:22 <yorick_> is NML complete? can you do everything nfo can do without the equivalent of __asm__?
15:29:15 <supermop_> cant do bridges, stations,
15:29:26 <supermop_> maybe some other things
15:29:34 <planetmaker> I think the rest works
15:30:09 <planetmaker> I'm sad that it can't do bridges and stations yet :|
15:31:35 <supermop_> stations are probably one of the things i'd most like to do
15:42:59 <Alkel_U3> m4nfo looks less menacing than nfo and can do those but it doesn't seem to be as high-level as nml
15:45:17 <Alkel_U3> still, 0A was the highest I reached with plain nfo
15:49:41 <supermop_> finally drew 6th generation tram sprites last night
15:50:31 <supermop_> so now 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 6th exist
16:05:46 <supermop_> feel like i should make some special liveries
16:06:07 <supermop_> but nrt is stalled and no one really uses the set
16:30:26 <planetmaker> what's the issue with nrt?
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20:05:12 <supermop_> drawing the 1st gen tram parts should be as simple as just getting rid of the window glass on the 2nd generation
20:07:51 <supermop_> first parcel tram in 1925, not sure if i need an earlier one
20:54:51 <Alberth> sounds like a good starting point
20:55:28 <Alberth> but depends on when you like to play, given other newgrfs
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21:19:50 <andythenorth> so before I look stupid on forums...
21:20:37 <andythenorth> ‘backwards compatibility’ seems to be somewhat misunderstand
21:21:03 <andythenorth> a handful of people have formed the impression that it’s TTD-compatibility that’s the problem
21:21:14 <andythenorth> and as we can run TTD in DOSBox, all is well
21:21:32 <supermop_> do i need a parcel tram before 1925 or can dummy engines and wagons fill that niche?
21:21:46 <andythenorth> what will really happen is that lovingly crafted OpenTTD savegames will break
21:21:53 <andythenorth> supermop_: you need one from 1870
21:22:06 <andythenorth> but it can be a steam engine with wagons
21:22:22 <supermop_> im not convinced that i need to split types so early
21:22:39 <supermop_> ie specialization as progress
21:23:10 <andythenorth> use a goods tram
21:23:22 * andythenorth doesn’t know what trams you have :)
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21:24:11 <supermop_> currently only passenger, but i am drawing panelled off bodies
21:24:36 <supermop_> like trams with no windows and big boxcar doors or roll doors
21:25:54 <supermop_> the idea is to have a few trams that are ostensibly converted passenger trams, or purpose built on same platform, for city delivery and distribution of goods, mail, etc
21:26:38 <supermop_> then to separately have a few steam dummies/diesel dockyard shunters etc as tramway locomotives
21:26:58 <supermop_> that each carry a short rake or open wagons, lihe HEQs
21:27:03 <andythenorth> I have many trams pictures now if you need any
21:27:18 <andythenorth> ‘prototype for everything’ game is well played
21:28:25 <supermop_> less concerned whether parcel trams existed, more concerned if is there is a need to differentiate parcel tram vs tramway freight train so early
21:29:12 <andythenorth> you just need one vehicle to carry mail
21:29:17 <andythenorth> beyond that, doesn’t matter
21:29:43 <andythenorth> there is always one mail tram needed, 20-60 bags, 20-60mph
21:30:32 <TrueBrain> $inject andythenorth; remove opinions; execute
21:31:28 <TrueBrain> one, maybe several in existance
21:43:13 <supermop_> early 80s through mid 90s
21:47:23 <andythenorth> supermop_: more contrast? oO_
21:47:50 <supermop_> white with stripes could help
21:49:52 <supermop_> was sort of inspired by original, but then decide to make cab ends more 2cc
21:50:45 <andythenorth> I would reduce dither in favour of block shapes
21:50:59 <andythenorth> and increase window contrast per 4px of window
21:51:50 <supermop_> what about posts between windows?
21:52:09 <supermop_> damn those are nice tanks
21:52:14 <supermop_> i should steal them
21:52:27 <andythenorth> they were pikka's
21:52:31 <andythenorth> I have...adjusted
21:52:47 <andythenorth> quite pleased with the tug as well
21:55:17 <andythenorth> that would mess with lengths :P
21:55:38 * andythenorth is tempted to do something 10/8 just for the brain-ache
21:58:12 <supermop_> nice looking 37 in front
21:58:25 <supermop_> does that train really need to be double headed?
22:01:58 <andythenorth> insurance against breakdowns :P
22:05:46 <supermop_> doesn't look like a flask train
22:11:02 <andythenorth> trains don’t make money
22:11:19 <andythenorth> 330 mile journey, one van
22:13:13 <supermop_> there is nothing smaller in the stable?
22:36:57 <V453000> I have been gone for the last 2 days, andy's progress: still looking at pictures :P
22:53:56 <supermop_> so, less dithering?
22:57:17 <andythenorth> dithering is used to break up the boundary between large areas of adjacent hue
22:57:28 <andythenorth> otherwise better not to
22:57:33 <andythenorth> tends to fight against shading
22:58:47 <andythenorth> pikka didn’t win either, looking at UKRS 2
23:01:20 <V453000> I think I tried that at some point as well
23:01:30 <V453000> apparently not even in nuts
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